Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:20:35 +0300 Abnormal Terminate(R) abnormal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, I to do it at described night :) Sincerely, A.T. Boot up the desktop linux distro with the external drive plugged in. At the terminal of that linux distro, type the following... sudo grub-install /dev/sda Done. Welcome. Regards - Goh Lip ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)
As Goh Lip said in one of his posts on this subject: Alpha versions are not for newbies. Exactly why Canonical are shipping Grub 2 when they know it isn't a full release I don't personally know. They have their reasons i guess. I haven't had any issues myself with Grub but then I'm not a newbie. I would be hesitant, however, to point a newbie at a system where there is a chance it will break. They sure as hell wont come back to *nix if it does. I think that since there are issues with Grub it would be a good idea to move away from it and use something which doesn't have issues. Moaning at the LUbuntu team does no-one any good, and it really annoys me when people complain about non-production versions of software breaking - they haven't broken they have bugs which is why they're in Alpha / Beta releases! If you can't fix it you shouldn't have been using it - simple huh? Rich On 27/06/10 06:33, Phillip Whiteside wrote: You may want to have a read of my last experience with grub2, from moving up from grub-legacy... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1331465 it took drs305 to correct that 'simple' problem (He altered the wiki page after it), it has gotten worse. Do not mis-read, the problem it has come back to bite *buntu. This is playing into the hands of certain corporate companies.*buntu either works, or it does not. There is no 'gray/ grey' area about something something so critical to a computer working. Users are not interested in ahh, but you can do this to make it work, it either works, or it does not. Phill. On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net mailto:phi...@phillw.net wrote: Hi Goh, Grub is in a mess, and has been for a while. When it works, it works well, when it fails, it fails completely. This has bubbled along from 9.10 to 10.04 and is becoming a larger issue for 10.10 As per grub / burg and the really big mess that has been made, along with people who help out on the forum area expressing their frustrations, can I suggest you have a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1516153 I have not seen the guys and galz on the testing area having such a heated discussion, it is quite evident that there is a *major* problem that needs addressing. I have only read up on that thread today, Kansassnoob is one who I rely on for grub issues, if he is exclaiming his in-ability to support it, then I suggest you read up all you can as he is one of those I rely on when the tutorials do not work. I do not think it is a bug and I think it is a more fundamental issue of where he puts his grub. But I don't like his tone of calling the developers stupid when he himself is stupid. And if he continues in this manner, I would be reluctant to help him further. So, you best have read on there, you will see that they have been called far worse by people who actually have to deal with the fall out. There are always two sides to a coin, it pays to take the time to see why someone is annoyed, in this case they have every reason to be so. But it is not a lubuntu fault, it is a grub fault which means all ubuntu shares it, and from the dev himself, so does debian. Regards, Phill. On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Goh Lip g@gmx.com mailto:g@gmx.com wrote: On 06/27/2010 01:57 AM, Mario Behling wrote: Dear all, forwarded a bug report below. Best, Mario Hi! I cannot create Bug Report, because it I put it here... Environment: 1. Using a PC, who can be uses an USB external HDD or SSD (and can be mounted as sdb device). 2. Install Lubuntu from CD to this USB HDD (as variant, install to SDHD Flash Card, plugged into PCs CardReader), mounted as sdb1. 3. Using Parted Editing manually, and put / for all device space without swap. Result of Install Lubuntu: 1. After normally ended Installation Process, my PC has the MBR on FIRST HDD (!!!), but I _use not_ this device for installation Lubintu, not use it completely! 2. On my PC cannot be starts none PS' File Systems without having as plugged External Devices because MBD find it and stooped without this External HDD or SDD. It has black screen only and display Diagnostic Message on this situation. Resume: It's stupidly situation. And who is this developer, who wrote a code for use as default FIRST HDD (mounted as sda) for put MBR, but loading Grub from SECOND HDD (mounted as sdb), if the User set up as work
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:42:50 +0100 Richard Austin richaustin1...@aol.com wrote: As Goh Lip said in one of his posts on this subject: Alpha versions are not for newbies. Exactly why Canonical are shipping Grub 2 when they know it isn't a full release I don't personally know. Grub2 came out of beta in October 2009. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Slideshow for Lubuntu installation
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 23:57:38 +0200 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le dimanche 27 juin 2010 à 21:41 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit : ImportError: No module named webkit sudo apt-get install python-webkit ;) Working now. It dawned on me after I sent the mail. I think Osmo should get a mention. Do you want https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/Slideshow editing to provide some text or, suggestions in this thread? -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] artwork updated
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:18:01 +0100 Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: I'm glad it wasn't just me who couldn't find it :p Apart from the missing link, I think we could do with some instructions somewhere for installing themes so more people can test them. Phill. 2010/6/27 神癒礁湖 ・ rafaellag...@gmail.com Sorry, my fault. Link added. Or herehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Maverick/LxDesign?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=lubuntu_gtk.tar.gz . http://www.rafaellaguna.comhttp://www.lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)
Yorvyk - I stand corrected on Grub 2 being in Alpha - I hadn't realised it came out of beta. Goh - I wasn't criticising Grub 2 since I have had no problems with it myself. I have heard others have and particularly with external drives as you mentioned. Since an awful lot of people are going to give Linux a try on an external drive it is not too good that it will most likely fail. I do remember LILO - never did get it to work reliably myself. My first try at Linux wasn't successful because of it as I recall and I had to use Windows at the time because of a course I was taking. As a result I didn't properly adopt Linux until about 3 years ago. Now you wont get me away from it - except at work where I have no choice cos everything is flaming Microsoft! When I get my own company running it will all be Linux and no Windows in sight thankyou! Rich On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 16:25:12 +0800 Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:42:50 +0100 Richard Austin richaustin1...@aol.com wrote: As Goh Lip said in one of his posts on this subject: Alpha versions are not for newbies. Exactly why Canonical are shipping Grub 2 when they know it isn't a full release I don't personally know. They have their reasons i guess. I haven't had any issues myself with Grub but then I'm not a newbie. I would be hesitant, however, to point a newbie at a system where there is a chance it will break. They sure as hell wont come back to *nix if it does. I think that since there are issues with Grub it would be a good idea to move away from it and use something which doesn't have issues. Moaning at the LUbuntu team does no-one any good, and it really annoys me when people complain about non-production versions of software breaking - they haven't broken they have bugs which is why they're in Alpha / Beta releases! If you can't fix it you shouldn't have been using it - simple huh? Rich Richard, some of the reasoning to use grub2 can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 Personally, and on top of these reasons, my take on it is o grub-legacy has not been maintained for a long time (5 years?) note others try to fill the void by super grub, etc. o the rescue mode to help boot when parameters are wrong o the setting to (grub) boot by uuid instead of (hd0,x) and /dev/sdax where it will always be wrong with multiple disks o When booting from external disk, the partition will always be (hd0,1) regardless of actual allocation and grub-legacy will fail o modular construct where new innovations/additions need not require the whole grub system be rebuilt o ability to boot iso direct by looping, (useful to test alpha's without installing to hard disk) and other utility disks. o ability to handle raid and lvm, despite initial problems, (grub-legacy and definitely lilo could not.) Richard, even at the introduction of grub2, it is far far superior to grub-legacy, and the only fault is the lack of documentation to assist users. Also many people are already familiar with grub-legacy and the ease to modify menu.lst makes using grub2 a harder task. It is always easier to learn a new task than to unlearn an old one. Since you mentioned you are not a newbie, can you remember using LILO? ;) [roaring laughter] LOL Take care. Regards - Goh Lip -- I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Richard Austin richaustin1...@aol.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium Flash
Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins Simples On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote: Hi, Okay, I can leave that bit out, it is just I know that set of instructions work so am not to blame if it does not work for the next peron ;-) Regards, Phill. On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.comwrote: On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:04:08 +0100 Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Hi gang, I know the chromium team are working on in-built flash support, until that happens and lubuntu ships it, can I pop on the instructions from http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-flash-support-for-google-chromium-browser.html over onto the wiki help area, i'm guessing 'Advanced Users' would be the place for it. First you need to make sure you have installed chromium browser Now you need to install flash using the following command sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree Now you need to copy libflashplayer.so file into /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins directory sudo cp /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins I don't think it's necessary to copy the .so file around. Chromium automatically searches in the mozilla plugins' directories as well. [...] -- Kind regards, Chow Loong Jin ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium Flash
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:19:17 +0100 Andrew Woodhead andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote: Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins And run chromium-browser with --enable-plugins. (Unless I'm outdated and it's enabled by default now). -- Kind regards, Chow Loong Jin signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium Flash
If for some reason Chromium doesn't pick up the copy of the plugin in the mozilla directory, maybe making a symbolic link would be a better option? That way any updates would automatically be applied to Chromium's version, and there's less disk wasted? --Bob On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:19:17 +0100 Andrew Woodhead andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote: Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins And run chromium-browser with --enable-plugins. (Unless I'm outdated and it's enabled by default now). -- Kind regards, Chow Loong Jin ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)
On 06/28/2010 05:23 PM, Richard Austin wrote: Yorvyk - I stand corrected on Grub 2 being in Alpha - I hadn't realised it came out of beta. Goh - I wasn't criticising Grub 2 since I have had no problems with it myself. I have heard others have and particularly with external drives as you mentioned. Since an awful lot of people are going to give Linux a try on an external drive it is not too good that it will most likely fail. Yes, I know that, Richard. Thought I add more reading material for you. And yes, I was very impressed with grub2. The objections to it when it was first introduced was high, but I understand the reactions as the documentation for it was almost non-existent. And menu.lst is far far easier to modify and still is. I do remember LILO - never did get it to work reliably myself. My first try at Linux wasn't successful because of it as I recall and I had to use Windows at the time because of a course I was taking. As a result I didn't properly adopt Linux until about 3 years ago. Now you wont get me away from it - except at work where I have no choice cos everything is flaming Microsoft! When I get my own company running it will all be Linux and no Windows in sight thankyou! Rich The reason I mentioned LILO is that it is the major reason at that time why people trying out linux just gave up. I too almost invariably end up with a blinking cursor on a dark screen for any new installation. With grub-legacy, it is much better but with systems with more than 1 hard disk, it's usually a guessing game when modifying the menu.lst to try to boot. That's why people need to modify it continually. And when booting to external disk, it is always (hd0,1) and of course, that is in grub-speak, the first partition of the hard disk, never the external, and will not boot unless the menu.lst gets modified again. Just glad to talk to someone who understands. Regards and take care - Goh Lip ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium Flash
That's how it is for me too, I just have to install the plugin and chromium picks it up automatically. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 08:33 -0400, Bob Trevithick wrote: If for some reason Chromium doesn't pick up the copy of the plugin in the mozilla directory, maybe making a symbolic link would be a better option? That way any updates would automatically be applied to Chromium's version, and there's less disk wasted? --Bob On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:19:17 +0100 Andrew Woodhead andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote: Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins And run chromium-browser with --enable-plugins. (Unless I'm outdated and it's enabled by default now). -- Kind regards, Chow Loong Jin Unless I’m missing something, all I did was ensure the Partner Repository was enabled and did an 'apt-get adobe-flashplugin'. Start Chromium and flash functions OK. This was on a clean Lucid install. -- Steve (YorvYk) http://lubuntu.net/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
