Re: [lubuntu-users] goodbye forever, i386 (Aere Greenway)
On 7/13/19 6:41 PM, Fritz Hudnut wrote: Where my Lubuntu 18.04 i386 systems all started to no longer boot reliably, it motivated me to switch them to Debian. The things that cause me problems with Debian, so far, is that there is a long delay during the reboot after installing Debian 9, where it seems to be doing nothing at all, and you really have to just wait for it to complete. Debian 10 doesn't have that problem, and uses the same installer as Lubuntu 18.10 (Calamares). The other problem, is that wireless support on Debian is much poorer than with Ubuntu. It surprised me that I have only one wireless dongle that works with Debian out-of-the-box. After some effort installing things, I was able to get the Broadcom (b43) wireless of my HP Mini working. The wireless of my 32-bit MacBook also worked out-of-the-box. From what I read, all of the Debian releases are supported for 5 years, so Debian 10 should be good until July of 2024. I now know enough to help my kids migrate their systems to Debian 10. Where so many of my machines are now on Debian, perhaps I should join that band of Debian purists. -- Sincerely, Aere AG: So far the Sid/Buster system I have installed has been pretty clear to get done on the install, and in this machine I use ethernet . . . so no problems connecting; but I do get the "you should install the b43 module" . . . error, but I just ignore it. When I first installed it Buster/Sid booted up super fast, flew through the dmesg page and into the GUI log in in the blink of an eye . . . but, over time we've had some growing pains and it lashed out at the other systems . . . doing damage . . . and so other systems had to be re-installed after the Sid/Buster . . . and that seemed to get Buster to "lose track of swap" and other errors requiring "thought processing" on the boot up . . . and so now it boots fairly sedately . . . for a 64 bit system. You could try to join the purists, but they seem to be "picky" . . . and not exactly "warm" . . . being more on the "technical" side of the personality spectrum . . . . But, it does seem a bit "early" for problems to be showing up in 18.04 ?? which should still be "current" LTS across the platforms?? Anyway, you would have had to move to keep the 32 bit units going sometime soon . . . perhaps Debian will have more motivation to support the 32 bit crowd compared to the low motivation for the bleating PPC crowd . . . where the "death of PPC" was a slow and lingering thing, followed by dropping it like a stone ?? : - ( F It did surprise me that all my 32-bit systems on Lubuntu 18.04 stopped booting reliably. It is probably (I'm speculating) a side effect of when something in software is scheduled to be dropped, it's easy (perhaps natural) for its testing to diminish. Where every one of my i386 machines suddenly stopped booting reliably (after applying updates), it suggests to me that no testing of i386 systems was being done, at all. I did report the bug, and they are working on it, but fixes so far just avoid the crash during boot, and have no effect on the longer time rebooting is taking. So far, I haven't had to re-install other system partitions on the same machine. I have been watching for that. Debian does require more disk space than Lubuntu. And a Debian system installed in a partition might have enough disk space to run, but not to upgrade. It is nice that Debian upgrades to later levels, though the process is much more involved than it is in Ubuntu (Ubuntu upgrade is easier). -- Sincerely, Aere -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] goodbye forever, i386 (Aere Greenway)
> > Where my Lubuntu 18.04 i386 systems all started to no longer boot > reliably, it motivated me to switch them to Debian. > > The things that cause me problems with Debian, so far, is that there is a > long delay during the reboot after installing Debian 9, where it seems to > be doing nothing at all, and you really have to just wait for it to > complete. Debian 10 doesn't have that problem, and uses the same installer > as Lubuntu 18.10 (Calamares). > > The other problem, is that wireless support on Debian is much poorer than > with Ubuntu. It surprised me that I have only one wireless dongle that > works with Debian out-of-the-box. After some effort installing things, I > was able to get the Broadcom (b43) wireless of my HP Mini working. The > wireless of my 32-bit MacBook also worked out-of-the-box. > > From what I read, all of the Debian releases are supported for 5 years, so > Debian 10 should be good until July of 2024. > > I now know enough to help my kids migrate their systems to Debian 10. > > Where so many of my machines are now on Debian, perhaps I should join that > band of Debian purists. > -- > > Sincerely, > Aere > > > AG: So far the Sid/Buster system I have installed has been pretty clear to get done on the install, and in this machine I use ethernet . . . so no problems connecting; but I do get the "you should install the b43 module" . . . error, but I just ignore it. When I first installed it Buster/Sid booted up super fast, flew through the dmesg page and into the GUI log in in the blink of an eye . . . but, over time we've had some growing pains and it lashed out at the other systems . . . doing damage . . . and so other systems had to be re-installed after the Sid/Buster . . . and that seemed to get Buster to "lose track of swap" and other errors requiring "thought processing" on the boot up . . . and so now it boots fairly sedately . . . for a 64 bit system. You could try to join the purists, but they seem to be "picky" . . . and not exactly "warm" . . . being more on the "technical" side of the personality spectrum . . . . But, it does seem a bit "early" for problems to be showing up in 18.04 ?? which should still be "current" LTS across the platforms?? Anyway, you would have had to move to keep the 32 bit units going sometime soon . . . perhaps Debian will have more motivation to support the 32 bit crowd compared to the low motivation for the bleating PPC crowd . . . where the "death of PPC" was a slow and lingering thing, followed by dropping it like a stone ?? : - ( F -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] goodbye forever, i386 (Aere Greenway)
On 7/13/19 5:05 PM, Fritz Hudnut wrote: Thanks for the suggestion. All of my 32-bit machines are now running Debian. I've tested both Debian 9 (stretch), and Debian 10 (buster). I use the LXDE desktop, and it is very familiar, and all tests are successful. System updates are different, but easily learned. -- Sincerely, Aere @Aere: Thought I'd try to go back to when folks would try to respond to posts here, rather than just "watch" the posts go on by . . . so, cool that Debian is still providing an image for 32 bit . . . obviously it isn't radically different than Ubuntu, other than having to do more stuff "manually" to get them installed . . . . Carry on with it . . . I just checked for any remaining vestiges of "PPC" there, and, sadly . . . none are current . . . I would assume that 32-bit will stagger forward there for another couple of years before the ports start being "finicky" as they are now in remaining Lu 16.04 PPC systems . . . "can't find the package at http://ports/backports"; . . . something like that . . . . I've got a #Siduction/Plasma install which is based on Deb 10 . . . "sid" . . . does have a bit of a learning curve to it to avoid blowing everything up, but otherwise . . . more or less the generic linux system with the usual band of debian type "purists" gathered around it . . . . F Where my Lubuntu 18.04 i386 systems all started to no longer boot reliably, it motivated me to switch them to Debian. The things that cause me problems with Debian, so far, is that there is a long delay during the reboot after installing Debian 9, where it seems to be doing nothing at all, and you really have to just wait for it to complete. Debian 10 doesn't have that problem, and uses the same installer as Lubuntu 18.10 (Calamares). The other problem, is that wireless support on Debian is much poorer than with Ubuntu. It surprised me that I have only one wireless dongle that works with Debian out-of-the-box. After some effort installing things, I was able to get the Broadcom (b43) wireless of my HP Mini working. The wireless of my 32-bit MacBook also worked out-of-the-box. From what I read, all of the Debian releases are supported for 5 years, so Debian 10 should be good until July of 2024. I now know enough to help my kids migrate their systems to Debian 10. Where so many of my machines are now on Debian, perhaps I should join that band of Debian purists. -- Sincerely, Aere -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] goodbye forever, i386 (Aere Greenway)
> Thanks for the suggestion. All of my 32-bit machines are now running > Debian. I've tested both Debian 9 (stretch), and Debian 10 (buster). > > I use the LXDE desktop, and it is very familiar, and all tests are > successful. System updates are different, but easily learned. > > -- > Sincerely, > Aere > @Aere: Thought I'd try to go back to when folks would try to respond to posts here, rather than just "watch" the posts go on by . . . so, cool that Debian is still providing an image for 32 bit . . . obviously it isn't radically different than Ubuntu, other than having to do more stuff "manually" to get them installed . . . . Carry on with it . . . I just checked for any remaining vestiges of "PPC" there, and, sadly . . . none are current . . . I would assume that 32-bit will stagger forward there for another couple of years before the ports start being "finicky" as they are now in remaining Lu 16.04 PPC systems . . . "can't find the package at http://ports/backports"; . . . something like that . . . . I've got a #Siduction/Plasma install which is based on Deb 10 . . . "sid" . . . does have a bit of a learning curve to it to avoid blowing everything up, but otherwise . . . more or less the generic linux system with the usual band of debian type "purists" gathered around it . . . . F -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
