When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

2013-11-21 Thread 海鑫电脑 
I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the linux 
destros.


Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent for 
me,but in linux, the sound event become a scarce resource.Maybe someone 
tell me that will save energy, this JUST is an excuse.


So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events?


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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

2013-11-21 Thread Israel 
Thanks for taking time to improve Lubuntu.
It would be helpful if you described in detail what you mean by "sound
event excellent". Are there certain types of sounds you miss from Win98?
Are you interested in improving this (recording specific sounds to be
used) and helping get them integrated into Lubuntu/LXDE, or are you
simply displeased with the default sounds?
I generally disable sound events on my computer, but it seems as though
the Lubuntu sounds are from Gnome (not sure if libcanberra dependencies
still exist), though I could easily be mistaken here.
You can easily turn off the sounds from the lxappearance app "Customize
Look and Feel" The 'Other' tab will let you turn off the sounds.

On 11/21/2013 08:58 PM, 海鑫电脑 wrote:
> I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the linux
> destros.
>
> Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent for
> me,but in linux, the sound event become a scarce resource.Maybe
> someone tell me that will save energy, this JUST is an excuse.
>
> So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events?
>
>


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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

2013-11-21 Thread 海鑫电脑 

Thank you Israel.

I mean, when i login lubuntu, there should play a shot but beautiful 
music; when i logout or shutdown or reboot lubuntu, there also is a shot 
and beautiful music to play; when i click menus , there should be a shot 
and beautiful sound to play; when i do wrong or danger things , lubuntu 
not only show me a warning box but also play a shot sound to warn me.


Do you understand me? For commonly user, we need fast, beautiful UI, 
also, we need enjoy the every click through the system sound :_)



On 2013/11/22 12:59, Israel wrote:

Thanks for taking time to improve Lubuntu.
It would be helpful if you described in detail what you mean by "sound
event excellent". Are there certain types of sounds you miss from Win98?
Are you interested in improving this (recording specific sounds to be
used) and helping get them integrated into Lubuntu/LXDE, or are you
simply displeased with the default sounds?
I generally disable sound events on my computer, but it seems as though
the Lubuntu sounds are from Gnome (not sure if libcanberra dependencies
still exist), though I could easily be mistaken here.
You can easily turn off the sounds from the lxappearance app "Customize
Look and Feel" The 'Other' tab will let you turn off the sounds.

On 11/21/2013 08:58 PM, 海鑫电脑 wrote:

I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the linux
destros.

Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent for
me,but in linux, the sound event become a scarce resource.Maybe
someone tell me that will save energy, this JUST is an excuse.

So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events?








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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

2013-11-21 Thread Salama 
But why??.. I really disliked the Login sound in Windows when I was a
windows user!
Lubuntu Booting & Login should be - by default - Fast and Silent.

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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

2013-11-21 Thread 海鑫电脑 
ErMaybe you are not a common user. A common user is who don't know 
develeoping or programming or administration, like me :)


Technophiles  like efficiency, but common users need enjoy a system. 
Silent running can deeply touch the common user's heart


On 2013/11/22 14:00, Salama wrote:

But why??.. I really disliked the Login sound in Windows when I was a
windows user!
Lubuntu Booting & Login should be - by default - Fast and Silent.




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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

2013-11-21 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:58 AM, 海鑫电脑  wrote:

> I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the linux
> destros.
>
> Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent for me,but
> in linux, the sound event become a scarce resource.Maybe someone tell me
> that will save energy, this JUST is an excuse.
>
> So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events?


Hi,

I am in hurry and must go so can't really dig into the archive right now
but if you ask those who have been around here for at least the last two
years, they can confirm to you this topic has been discussed before but it
is 100% fine to re-talk about it :) at least IMHO it is good to discuss and
communicate :)

Feel Free to start a blueprint here:
https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming

Previous discussions ended at this decision: no sound to be added because
that will affect the overall performance of Lubuntu.

But, again, feel free to start a new blueprint for that if you wish :)

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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

2013-11-22 Thread Israel 
I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS,
and playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources. 
However, this being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice. 
Maybe having lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to
install (and have it configured).
I agree with both points here.
 wants a nice OS that functions well, and is very fun for use, and
works like the familiar ones.
Ali knows that even OGG files will be a drain on the size of the OS, and
RAM and processor to play these sounds each time.
So since both points are valid, it might be good to find a middle ground.
I always have turned off sounds for my computers, and don't like
clicking sounds on touchscreens, etc..  but some people really like the
sounds, obviously.

XP plays sounds for people, and they are a target for this OS.


On 11/22/2013 01:09 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:58 AM,   > wrote:
>
> I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the
> linux destros.
>
> Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent
> for me,but in linux, the sound event become a scarce
> resource.Maybe someone tell me that will save energy, this JUST is
> an excuse.
>
> So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am in hurry and must go so can't really dig into the archive right
> now but if you ask those who have been around here for at least the
> last two years, they can confirm to you this topic has been discussed
> before but it is 100% fine to re-talk about it :) at least IMHO it is
> good to discuss and communicate :)
>
> Feel Free to start a blueprint here:
> https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming
>
> Previous discussions ended at this decision: no sound to be added
> because that will affect the overall performance of Lubuntu.
>
> But, again, feel free to start a new blueprint for that if you wish :)
>
> -- 
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
> amjjawad 
> Areas of Involvement 
> My Projects 
>
>


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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

2013-11-22 Thread Hackson.Wang 
Yes, Israel, you are right! Just make a choice for every user -- having 
a lubuntu-sounds-theme package is a very smarter idea :_)


So, the dev-team will accept this sugesstion?

On 2013/11/22 21:38, Israel wrote:
I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS, 
and playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources.  
However, this being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice.  
Maybe having lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to 
install (and have it configured).

I agree with both points here.
 wants a nice OS that functions well, and is very fun for use, and 
works like the familiar ones.
Ali knows that even OGG files will be a drain on the size of the OS, 
and RAM and processor to play these sounds each time.

So since both points are valid, it might be good to find a middle ground.
I always have turned off sounds for my computers, and don't like 
clicking sounds on touchscreens, etc..  but some people really like 
the sounds, obviously.


XP plays sounds for people, and they are a target for this OS.


On 11/22/2013 01:09 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:


On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:58 AM,  > wrote:


I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the
linux destros.

Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent
for me,but in linux, the sound event become a scarce
resource.Maybe someone tell me that will save energy, this JUST
is an excuse.

So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events?


Hi,

I am in hurry and must go so can't really dig into the archive right 
now but if you ask those who have been around here for at least the 
last two years, they can confirm to you this topic has been discussed 
before but it is 100% fine to re-talk about it :) at least IMHO it is 
good to discuss and communicate :)


Feel Free to start a blueprint here: 
https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming


Previous discussions ended at this decision: no sound to be added 
because that will affect the overall performance of Lubuntu.


But, again, feel free to start a new blueprint for that if you wish :)

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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

2013-11-22 Thread Israel 
Ali is absolutely correct, you need to open a blueprint.
There are so many things to do before April, the only way you can insure
it will be done, is by doing it.  Everyone already has tasks, and some
projects are a huge undertaking.  I don't know if anyone that works for
Canonical is involved in Lubuntu (in other words everyone works on this
stuff because we enjoy it, and want to help other people)
I know the packages I make are because I want to.  The bugs I fix are
because I want the fix.

If you want, I can help you package it, but you will need to pick some
sounds, and find out how they are accessed from LXDE events.  That is
something I don't know.  Someone here might be able to help, but I know
someone from LXDE would know (like PC Man, for sure).

A community package of sounds would be nice.  Maybe have users submit
sounds for different system events, and vote on the best ones, or
something.  LMMS is awesome for creating sound effects (use
fluid-soundfont-gm & fluid-soundfont-gs those have some awesome sounds
for the Soundfont).
If you can't make sounds, and don't want to organize a community sound
project go to freesound.org and find some.
Of course if you don't want to work on packaging or any aspect of it, it
very likely will not get done.  I know I have many other projects beside
my new involvement here, so I am sure the others here have other
projects, as well as jobs, and family and possibly school.

On 11/22/2013 08:51 AM, Hackson.Wang wrote:
> Yes, Israel, you are right! Just make a choice for every user --
> having a lubuntu-sounds-theme package is a very smarter idea :_)
>
> So, the dev-team will accept this sugesstion?
>
> On 2013/11/22 21:38, Israel wrote:
>> I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the
>> OS, and playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources. 
>> However, this being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice. 
>> Maybe having lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy
>> to install (and have it configured).
>> I agree with both points here.
>>  wants a nice OS that functions well, and is very fun for use,
>> and works like the familiar ones.
>> Ali knows that even OGG files will be a drain on the size of the OS,
>> and RAM and processor to play these sounds each time.
>> So since both points are valid, it might be good to find a middle ground.
>> I always have turned off sounds for my computers, and don't like
>> clicking sounds on touchscreens, etc..  but some people really like
>> the sounds, obviously.
>>
>> XP plays sounds for people, and they are a target for this OS.
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/2013 01:09 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:58 AM,  >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the
>>> linux destros.
>>>
>>> Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent
>>> for me,but in linux, the sound event become a scarce
>>> resource.Maybe someone tell me that will save energy, this JUST
>>> is an excuse.
>>>
>>> So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am in hurry and must go so can't really dig into the archive right
>>> now but if you ask those who have been around here for at least the
>>> last two years, they can confirm to you this topic has been
>>> discussed before but it is 100% fine to re-talk about it :) at least
>>> IMHO it is good to discuss and communicate :)
>>>
>>> Feel Free to start a blueprint here:
>>> https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming
>>>
>>> Previous discussions ended at this decision: no sound to be added
>>> because that will affect the overall performance of Lubuntu.
>>>
>>> But, again, feel free to start a new blueprint for that if you wish :)
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>> Best Regards,
>>> amjjawad 
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>>> 
>>> My Projects 
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

2013-11-22 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Israel  wrote:

>
> I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS, and
> playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources.  However, this
> being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice.  Maybe having
> lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to install (and have
> it configured).
> I agree with both points here.
> 海鑫电脑 wants a nice OS that functions well, and is very fun for use, and
> works like the familiar ones.
> Ali knows that even OGG files will be a drain on the size of the OS, and
> RAM and processor to play these sounds each time.
> So since both points are valid, it might be good to find a middle ground.
> I always have turned off sounds for my computers, and don't like clicking
> sounds on touchscreens, etc..  but some people really like the sounds,
> obviously.
>
> XP plays sounds for people, and they are a target for this OS.
>

At Lubuntu's Service :)

Here is a Blueprint - feel free to start the brainstorming :D

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/sound-event


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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

2013-11-22 Thread David Yentzen 
Thanks, Ali
  I will take a look at this. If I understand the thread correctly, some
members want default sounds included, which may use up resources. I have
always liked the idea of Lubuntu having a very minimalistic/basic default
install with perhaps optional after install packages so that a user could
"fatten" it up as he/she pleases.  I am reminded that Bodhi has something
similar...a basic install and an opitional "fat stick" install with a
fuller compliment of software.
  Just my two cents worth.

Best Regards,
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On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:

>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Israel  wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS,
>> and playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources.  However,
>> this being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice.  Maybe having
>> lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to install (and have
>> it configured).
>> I agree with both points here.
>> 海鑫电脑 wants a nice OS that functions well, and is very fun for use, and
>> works like the familiar ones.
>> Ali knows that even OGG files will be a drain on the size of the OS, and
>> RAM and processor to play these sounds each time.
>> So since both points are valid, it might be good to find a middle ground.
>> I always have turned off sounds for my computers, and don't like clicking
>> sounds on touchscreens, etc..  but some people really like the sounds,
>> obviously.
>>
>> XP plays sounds for people, and they are a target for this OS.
>>
>
> At Lubuntu's Service :)
>
> Here is a Blueprint - feel free to start the brainstorming :D
>
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/sound-event
>
>
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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

2013-11-22 Thread Aere Greenway 

On 11/21/2013 11:58 PM, 海鑫电脑 wrote:
ErMaybe you are not a common user. A common user is who don't know 
develeoping or programming or administration, like me :)


Technophiles  like efficiency, but common users need enjoy a system. 
Silent running can deeply touch the common user's heart


On 2013/11/22 14:00, Salama wrote:

But why??.. I really disliked the Login sound in Windows when I was a
windows user!
Lubuntu Booting & Login should be - by default - Fast and Silent.




These things tend to be personal preferences.  People are different, and 
that's okay.


I have been a software developer for over 40 years, and I don't happen 
to share your preferences.


I agree with Salama with my dislike of the Windows XP sign-in sound 
(which it would blast away at high volume).


But I do like sounds.

Perhaps a good approach would be to come up with something you like, and 
make it available to us all.


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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

2013-11-22 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:45 PM, David Yentzen  wrote:

> Thanks, Ali
>

You and Lubuntu are more than welcome :)


>   I will take a look at this.
>

Yes, the correct or the best approach is to either discuss here or on the
Blueprint but Developers prefer Blueprints :)



> If I understand the thread correctly, some members want default sounds
> included, which may use up resources.
>

Same like Ubuntu. If you start Ubuntu, you will have some sound events.
Same with Windows :)



> I have always liked the idea of Lubuntu having a very minimalistic/basic
> default install with perhaps optional after install packages so that a user
> could "fatten" it up as he/she pleases.
>

+1
I share the same opinion :)



> I am reminded that Bodhi has something similar...a basic install and an
> opitional "fat stick" install with a fuller compliment of software.
>

I don't use Bodhi Linux so not really sure about this :)



>   Just my two cents worth.
>
> Best Regards,
> David Yentzen
>

Thank you :)

@Everyone
You are free to carry on with discussion over here (mailing list) or here:
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/sound-event

But, may I remind you that Developers prefer working on Blueprints ;)


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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

2013-11-22 Thread Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph 
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Israel  wrote:
> I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS, and
> playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources.  However, this
> being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice.  Maybe having
> lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to install (and have
> it configured).

It may not be a consideration for Lubuntu, but for low vision users
having sounds enabled by default helps a considerable amount. A login
sounds help the user know that the desktop is loading, for instance.

Personally I turn them off too, nothing more embarrassing than a start
up sound when I start up my computer during a talk at a conference :)

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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

2013-11-22 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
Hello Lyz,


On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:07 AM, Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph
wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Israel  wrote:
> > I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS,
> and
> > playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources.  However,
> this
> > being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice.  Maybe having
> > lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to install (and
> have
> > it configured).
>
> It may not be a consideration for Lubuntu, but for low vision users
> having sounds enabled by default helps a considerable amount. A login
> sounds help the user know that the desktop is loading, for instance.
>

This is a very valid point that I didn't think of. Indeed, this could help
those a lot. I agree :)



>
> Personally I turn them off too, nothing more embarrassing than a start
> up sound when I start up my computer during a talk at a conference :)
>

Haha, yes, I can tell :D


@Everyone
Is there a way to have Sound Event Feature either installed by default OR
can be installed later BUT in both cases, it won't be working by default
(autostart) unless the user him/her self enables it so in that case, the
user is the one and only person who will control how his/her system will
work :)

As we are using Linux, we should believe in all its philosophies and give
freedom to our users to choose from. Or at least explain all the options
and be clear that we can do it or we can't and why. I always believe
Documentation is, at some point, much more important than development.
IMHO, it is pointless to have the best developer on earth with the best
code/software on earth and there is no one knows how to use it, am I right?
:)

I also have an idea :)
@Sergio, Lubuntu needs to have this issue cleared and explained on the Wiki
Pages. I think I have seen something similar but not quite sure. But, the
FAQ Section need to be cleaned because it is a mess IMHO. It is very
important for the FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) to be up-to-date to
save time from discussing the same issue over and over again.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides

And, the above link is not really FAQs, it actually has nothing to do with
FAQs.

FAQs must be simple Q with simple A, that is all.

I'd suggest to have a new page for these kinds of FAQs to make life easier
for everyone and Serigo, you know you can have that in a blink of an eye if
you need :P let me know :) but I shall NOT create any new page unless I
know what you are planning, that is why I brought this to the table of
discussion. It is not really off-topic, the sound event topic is not new :)

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