lug-bg: Fw: Debian Investigation Report after Server Compromises

2003-12-02 Thread Konstantin Kostadinov 


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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:23:51 +0100
From: Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Debian Announcements <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Debian Investigation Report after Server Compromises



The Debian Projecthttp://www.debian.org/
Debian Investigation Report [EMAIL PROTECTED]
December 2nd, 2003


Debian Investigation Report after Server Compromises

The Debian administration team and security experts are finally able
to pinpoint the method used to break-in into four project machines.
However, the person who did this has not yet been uncovered.

The package archives were not altered by the intruder.

The Debian administration and security teams have checked these
archives (security, us, non-us) quite early on in the investigation
and re-installation process.  That's why the project was able to open
up the security archive again and confirm that the stable update
(3.0r2) wasn't compromised.

If the project had anticipated to get compromised at the same time the
stable update was implemented, the involved people would have
postponed it.  However, the updated packages were already installed in
the stable archive and mirror servers at the time the break-ins were
discovered, so it wasn't possible to hold it back anymore.

Several methods based on different control data were used to verify
the packages and to ensure that the archives weren't altered by the
attacker:

 . externally stored lists of MD5 sums accumulated over the past weeks
   on not compromised machines
 . digitally signed .changes files from external debian-devel-changes
   archives on not compromised machines
 . digitally signed .changes files on the respective archive servers
 . externally stored mirror log files


Timeline

Below is the timeline of discovery and recovery of the compromised
machines.  All times are in UTC.  Some times are only estimates since
our conversation did not contain exact timestamps.

   Sep 28  01:33  Linus Torvalds releases 2.6.0-test6 with do_brk() fix
   Oct 02  05:18  Marcello Tosatti applies do_brk() boundary check
   Nov 19  17:00  Attacker logs into klecker with sniffed password
   Nov 19  17:08  Root-kit installed on klecker
   Nov 19  17:20  Attacker logs into master with same sniffed password
   Nov 19  17:47  Root-kit installed on master
   Nov 19  18:30  Attacker logs into murphy with service account from master
   Nov 19  18:35  Root-kit installed on murphy
   Nov 19  19:25  Oopses on murphy start
   Nov 20  05:38  Oopses on master start
   Nov 20  20:00  Discovery of Oopses on master and murphy
   Nov 20  20:54  Root-kit installed on gluck
   Nov 20  22:00  Confirmation that debian.org was compromised
   Nov 21  00:00  Deactivation of all accounts
   Nov 21  00:34  Shut down security.debian.org
   Nov 21  04:00  Shut down gluck (www, cvs, people, ddtp)
   Nov 21  08:30  Point www.debian.org to www.de.debian.org
   Nov 21  10:45  Public announcement
   Nov 21  16:47  Developer information updated
   Nov 21  17:10  Shut down murphy (lists)
   Nov 22  02:41  security.debian.org is back online
   Nov 25  07:40  lists.debian.org is back online
   Nov 28  22:39  Linux 2.4.23 released


Discovery

On the evening (GMT) of Thursday, November 20th, the admin team
noticed several kernel oopses on master.  Since that system was
running without problems for a long time, the system was about to be
taken into maintenance for deeper investigation of potential hardware
problems.  However, at the same time, a second machine, murphy, was
experiencing exactly the same problems, which made the admins
suspicious.

Also, klecker, murphy and gluck have "Advanced Intrusion Detection
Environment" (package aide) installed to monitor filesystem changes
and at around the same time it started warning that /sbin/init had
been replaced and that the mtime and ctime values for
/usr/lib/locale/en_US had changed.

Further investigation revealed the cause for both these problems to be
the SucKIT root-kit.  It includes password sniffing and detection
evasion capabilities (i.e. tools to hide processes and files) which
are installed directly into the kernel, which in turn caused the
oopses that were noticed.


Detailed Attack Analysis

On Wednesday, November 19th, at approximately 5pm GMT, a sniffed
password was used to log into an unprivileged developer account on the
host klecker (.debian.org).  The attacker then retrieved the source
code through HTTP for an (at that time) unknown local kernel exploit
and gained root permissions via this exploit.  Afterwards, the SucKIT
root-kit was installed.

The same account and password data were then used to log into the
machine master, to gain root permissions with the same exploit and
also to install the SucKIT root-kit.

The attacker then tried to get access to the host murphy

Re: lug-bg: HTB i mnoo class-owe ?

2003-12-02 Thread hell 
Dotuk dobre.
 Imal sum problemi po princip s karta intel pro100 (mislq che beshe ot
drivera, no taka i ne razbrah zastoto q hvurlih) koqto zamenih s realtec.
Ako e hardueren problema za drugo ne se sestam - IRQ problemi etc?
Inache s htb nqma nikakvi problemi sled kato nastroish vsichko kakto
trqbva - v momenta pri men ima nqkude okolo 1200 clasa (s poveche ne sum
probval, no mislq che pak ste raboti) . Poogledai si pak scriptovete -
poogledai examples.


- Original Message -
From: "raptor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: lug-bg: HTB i mnoo class-owe ?


> On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:59:05 -0800
> "hell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > .trqbva ti opisan defaulten klass v root-a
> ]- estestweno che e opisan kato default to inache ne trygwa htb-to
>
> > .suzdavash si defaultniq klas kakto ti doide
> > .na nego ne ti trqbva filter ili prioritet
> > .prodavash stariq komp i si kupuvash nov po-hubav :)
> > .i si gotov
> ]- komputyra e dostatychno moshten, i ne se towari poweche
> ot 3-4%
>
> >
> > > hi,
> > >
> > > imam edin problem s HTB i stotici clasowe sys slednata struktura :
> > >
> > > HTB-root
> > >   |---HTB-class--> htb-class1{sfq}, htb-class2{sfq},
> > htb-class3{sfq},..htb-class1000{sfq}
> > >   |---default 55kbit prio 7
> > >
> > >
> > > predi da go dam na prio7 beshe 10kbit prio 1, kato trygnesh da
dloadwash
> > ili browswash prez nqkolko minuti traffica-spirashe
> > > (stalling) za ot 10 do 30 sec... otwratitelno smenqh mrevowi karti
> > switchowe, kerneli i kwo li ne dokato se swetna de e problema...
> > > Sled kato go poprawih po opisaniq nachin weche beshe OK, sega sled
kato se
> > digna broq na klasowete oste pak pochwam
> > > da zabelqzwam podoben efekt zasega samo na grafikite, mnogo rqdko...
no ot
> > druga strana ne moga da uwelichawam
> > > skorostta na deafult clasa do bezkrai, celta e da e kolkoto se move po
> > malko... za da spira parazitniq trafik :)
> > >
> > > Nqkoi ima li obqsnenie na posocheniq efekt... i nachin po koito da go
> > resha ?!
> > > Spored zdrawiq razum default clasa e s nai nisak prioritet i trqbwa da
> > byde obsluvwan posleden, kato w momenta w
> > > koito stigne skorost X trqbwa da pochne da dropwa paketi... a toi po
> > nqkakaw nachin sbozqwa wsichki drugi clasowe..
> > >
> > > tia
> > >
> >

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Re: lug-bg: vxWindows

2003-12-02 Thread Nikolay Mitev 
Ах, как мразя да reply-вам на себе си.

За второто не си прав. Незнам коя версия си гледал, но контролките 
(под windows) са си Windows-ки. 
Да се чете, НЯКОИ от контролките ...
Незнам точно кои, а и те са различни за различните версии на Windows. 
Чувам, че за XP доста контроли са native.

А иначе това, че някой контроли са емулирани съвсем не означава, че са 
бавни или нещо такова. А печалбата е, че имаш cool theme-ове и можеш в 
runtime да сменяш look-and-feel на приложението!

cheers,
face

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Re: lug-bg: vxWindows

2003-12-02 Thread Nikolay Mitev 
Doncho Angelov wrote:

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Nikolay Mitev wrote:
| Нямаш никакъв проблем. Аз съм много доволен. Все пак предпочитам Qt, но
| ако искаш да бачка и под win без да плащаш ползвай wxWindows. 
Единствено
| не ме кефи, че ползва гнусните MFC-like макроси за message mapping.
| Иначе е cool.

С риск да си навлека флеймове, аз пък не уважавам QT поради 2 основни
причини:
- - (добре) платено;
- - използва си негови простотии, за да маже по екрана. Не използва 
native
контролите - поне беше така допреди 2 години, когато аз го проучвах.
Значи, лицензната политика на Trolltech (пичовете дето правят Qt) е 
следната.
За ГНУ/Линукс имат два лиценза. Единия е GPL, другия е комерсиален. GPL 
версията, има всичко от комерсиалната, с изключение на няколко back-ends 
за DB-ta (Oracle, например).
За Windows има само комерсиален лиценз. До преди две години, или може би 
повече, вече не помня, имаше GPL'd Qt za windows, но го прекратиха.

За второто не си прав. Незнам коя версия си гледал, но контролките (под 
windows) са си Windows-ки.

Единственото нещо, което ме дразни в Qt е, че за signal/slots трябва да 
се run-ва пре-пре-процесор. Те хората това от зор са го направили, 
защото читава имплементация изисква от компилатора добра поддръжка на 
c++ templates, а повечето компилатори по онова време си нямаха и хабер 
за такова чудо (то много и сега си нямат).

gtkmm (c++ wrapper за GTK+) в това отношение е най-напред, защото ползва 
libsigc++. Това е typesafe signal/slots библиотека на чист c++.

Общо взето идеалния gui toolkit за мене би бил, Qt, на базата на 
libsigc++ и с GPL версия за windows.

Еееех, мечти ;-)

cheers,
face

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Re: lug-bg: vxWindows

2003-12-02 Thread Nikolay Mitev 
Andrei Boyanov wrote:



Защо, бе, да не би Qt за Windows  да е само платено?

От много отдавна няма безплатна версия за win, "бе".

cheers,
face

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Re: lug-bg: Demonstracionna lekciq po Mrezhova Sigurnost

2003-12-02 Thread Vasil Kolev 
ÐÐ ÐÑ, 2003-12-02 Ð 15:41, Georgi Kiselov ÑÐ:
> Njakoj uspia li da zapi6e lekciata na file ili infoto e bezvazvratno 
> zagubeno za neuspelite da posetqt demonstraciata?
> 
> imam vpredvid tazi ot minalata srqda v Sofiskia Universitet?
> 
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part2.avi. ÐÐÐ Ð ÐÑÐÐÐ Ð/Ñ 2ÑÐ, ÑÐ Ð ÑÐÐÐÑÐÐ 
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Re: lug-bg: Смяна на цветовете на конзолата.

2003-12-02 Thread Hristo Erinin 
Здрасти,

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:45:02 +0200
Vladimir Paskov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Здравейте група,
>имам следният въпрос: как да си сменя цветовете на конзолата. Нестава
>въпрос за терминал-ът на Gnome или KDE, а за самата конзола.
>
>Дистрибуцията е Slackware 9.1.

Виж:
man 5 dir_colors
man 1 dircolors
http://www.uni-paderborn.de/Linux/mdw/HOWTO/mini/Colour-ls
В Slackware цветовете живеят в /etc/DIR_COLORS 
Това е за ОСИкс, но върши работа - 
http://www.resexcellence.com/terminal/05-11-01.shtml

-- 
Best Regards,
Hristo Erinin

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lug-bg: HTB parch za 2.4.22

2003-12-02 Thread Elin 
hi niakoi znaeli chitav patch za HTB za KERNEL 2.4.22 probvah s 
htb3.6_2.4.17.diff no ne stava


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Re: lug-bg: Смяна на цветовете на конзолата.

2003-12-02 Thread Vladimir Penov 
On Tuesday 02 December 2003 14:45, Vladimir Paskov wrote:
> Здравейте група,
> имам следният въпрос: как да си сменя цветовете на конзолата. Нестава
> въпрос за терминал-ът на Gnome или KDE, а за самата конзола.

setterm -background цвят
setterm -foreground цвят

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Re: lug-bg: Demonstracionna lekciq po Mrezhova Sigurnost

2003-12-02 Thread Georgi Kiselov 
Njakoj uspia li da zapi6e lekciata na file ili infoto e bezvazvratno 
zagubeno za neuspelite da posetqt demonstraciata?

imam vpredvid tazi ot minalata srqda v Sofiskia Universitet?

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Re: lug-bg: HTB i mnoo class-owe ?

2003-12-02 Thread raptor 
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:59:05 -0800
"hell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> .trqbva ti opisan defaulten klass v root-a
]- estestweno che e opisan kato default to inache ne trygwa htb-to

> .suzdavash si defaultniq klas kakto ti doide
> .na nego ne ti trqbva filter ili prioritet
> .prodavash stariq komp i si kupuvash nov po-hubav :)
> .i si gotov
]- komputyra e dostatychno moshten, i ne se towari poweche
ot 3-4%

> 
> > hi,
> >
> > imam edin problem s HTB i stotici clasowe sys slednata struktura :
> >
> > HTB-root
> >   |---HTB-class--> htb-class1{sfq}, htb-class2{sfq},
> htb-class3{sfq},..htb-class1000{sfq}
> >   |---default 55kbit prio 7
> >
> >
> > predi da go dam na prio7 beshe 10kbit prio 1, kato trygnesh da dloadwash
> ili browswash prez nqkolko minuti traffica-spirashe
> > (stalling) za ot 10 do 30 sec... otwratitelno smenqh mrevowi karti
> switchowe, kerneli i kwo li ne dokato se swetna de e problema...
> > Sled kato go poprawih po opisaniq nachin weche beshe OK, sega sled kato se
> digna broq na klasowete oste pak pochwam
> > da zabelqzwam podoben efekt zasega samo na grafikite, mnogo rqdko... no ot
> druga strana ne moga da uwelichawam
> > skorostta na deafult clasa do bezkrai, celta e da e kolkoto se move po
> malko... za da spira parazitniq trafik :)
> >
> > Nqkoi ima li obqsnenie na posocheniq efekt... i nachin po koito da go
> resha ?!
> > Spored zdrawiq razum default clasa e s nai nisak prioritet i trqbwa da
> byde obsluvwan posleden, kato w momenta w
> > koito stigne skorost X trqbwa da pochne da dropwa paketi... a toi po
> nqkakaw nachin sbozqwa wsichki drugi clasowe..
> >
> > tia
> >
> 
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lug-bg: Смяна на цветовете на конзолата.

2003-12-02 Thread Vladimir Paskov 




Здравейте група,
имам следният въпрос: как да си сменя цветовете на конзолата. Нестава въпрос за терминал-ът на Gnome или KDE, а за самата конзола.

Дистрибуцията е Slackware 9.1.

С уважение: Владимир Пасков.

Re: lug-bg: HTB i mnoo class-owe ?

2003-12-02 Thread hell 
.trqbva ti opisan defaulten klass v root-a
.suzdavash si defaultniq klas kakto ti doide
.na nego ne ti trqbva filter ili prioritet
.prodavash stariq komp i si kupuvash nov po-hubav :)
.i si gotov

- Original Message -
From: "raptor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:04 AM
Subject: lug-bg: HTB i mnoo class-owe ?


> hi,
>
> imam edin problem s HTB i stotici clasowe sys slednata struktura :
>
> HTB-root
>   |---HTB-class--> htb-class1{sfq}, htb-class2{sfq},
htb-class3{sfq},..htb-class1000{sfq}
>   |---default 55kbit prio 7
>
>
> predi da go dam na prio7 beshe 10kbit prio 1, kato trygnesh da dloadwash
ili browswash prez nqkolko minuti traffica-spirashe
> (stalling) za ot 10 do 30 sec... otwratitelno smenqh mrevowi karti
switchowe, kerneli i kwo li ne dokato se swetna de e problema...
> Sled kato go poprawih po opisaniq nachin weche beshe OK, sega sled kato se
digna broq na klasowete oste pak pochwam
> da zabelqzwam podoben efekt zasega samo na grafikite, mnogo rqdko... no ot
druga strana ne moga da uwelichawam
> skorostta na deafult clasa do bezkrai, celta e da e kolkoto se move po
malko... za da spira parazitniq trafik :)
>
> Nqkoi ima li obqsnenie na posocheniq efekt... i nachin po koito da go
resha ?!
> Spored zdrawiq razum default clasa e s nai nisak prioritet i trqbwa da
byde obsluvwan posleden, kato w momenta w
> koito stigne skorost X trqbwa da pochne da dropwa paketi... a toi po
nqkakaw nachin sbozqwa wsichki drugi clasowe..
>
> tia
>

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Re: lug-bg: vxWindows

2003-12-02 Thread Doncho Angelov 
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Nikolay Mitev wrote:
| Нямаш никакъв проблем. Аз съм много доволен. Все пак предпочитам Qt, но
| ако искаш да бачка и под win без да плащаш ползвай wxWindows. Единствено
| не ме кефи, че ползва гнусните MFC-like макроси за message mapping.
| Иначе е cool.
С риск да си навлека флеймове, аз пък не уважавам QT поради 2 основни
причини:
- - (добре) платено;
- - използва си негови простотии, за да маже по екрана. Не използва native
контролите - поне беше така допреди 2 години, когато аз го проучвах.
Инак - спор да няма - и то е обектно-ориентирано, и доста истинско!

Поздрави!
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Re: lug-bg: vxWindows

2003-12-02 Thread Doncho Angelov 
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Доколкото знам - не е, ако това, което пишеш, е OpenSource. Но ако не е
- - платено е, и то много добре платено за БГ условията :).
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Re: lug-bg: Slackware 9.1 mysql help problem

2003-12-02 Thread sany 
W nowia mysql ( slack 9.1) ima promiana w API

Za da linknesh stari sourses triqbwa da naprawish malko kozmetichni promeni:

zaduljitelno e da izwikash w nachaloto mysql_init(.
i sled towa za wruzka kum servera izpolzwash mysql_real_connect(
te towa e

Stanimir Dobrev


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lug-bg: HTB i mnoo class-owe ?

2003-12-02 Thread raptor 
hi,

imam edin problem s HTB i stotici clasowe sys slednata struktura :

HTB-root
  |---HTB-class--> htb-class1{sfq}, htb-class2{sfq}, 
htb-class3{sfq},..htb-class1000{sfq}
  |---default 55kbit prio 7


predi da go dam na prio7 beshe 10kbit prio 1, kato trygnesh da dloadwash ili browswash 
prez nqkolko minuti traffica-spirashe 
(stalling) za ot 10 do 30 sec... otwratitelno smenqh mrevowi karti switchowe, kerneli 
i kwo li ne dokato se swetna de e problema...
Sled kato go poprawih po opisaniq nachin weche beshe OK, sega sled kato se digna broq 
na klasowete oste pak pochwam
da zabelqzwam podoben efekt zasega samo na grafikite, mnogo rqdko... no ot druga 
strana ne moga da uwelichawam 
skorostta na deafult clasa do bezkrai, celta e da e kolkoto se move po malko... za da 
spira parazitniq trafik :)

Nqkoi ima li obqsnenie na posocheniq efekt... i nachin po koito da go resha ?!
Spored zdrawiq razum default clasa e s nai nisak prioritet i trqbwa da byde obsluvwan 
posleden, kato w momenta w 
koito stigne skorost X trqbwa da pochne da dropwa paketi... a toi po nqkakaw nachin 
sbozqwa wsichki drugi clasowe..

tia

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Re: lug-bg: Пробив на няколко сервера на Дебиан

2003-12-02 Thread Kamen Sharlandjiev 
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> ÐÐÐÑÐÑ,
- - > ÑÐÐÐ >ÐÑÐÑÐÑÑÑÐÐÐ ÐÑÐÐ ÐÐÑÐÐÑÑÐÐ 
ÑÑÐÐÐ... <--
zashto nqkoi hora ne 4etat ? ako imate problemi sus 4eteneto zashto izobshto 
pishete? Mnogo li e trudno da se sniffne parola prefurchala po ICQ da kajem? 
IRC? , i podobmi te mu shitz?
sujeliavam no az pod NESIGURNA sreda razbiram tova 
a ne che niakoi e sednal da sniffi directno na port 22 ...
sorry ama mai triabva naikoi da pomisli predi da pishe zaiadlivi pisamca ot 
sorta na "ama verno li e elementarno sniffeneto na ssh".
tnx za vnimanieto.
Obiknovenno mulcha ama v sluchaia ne mojah da se zdurja.
 

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Re: lug-bg: vxWindows

2003-12-02 Thread Andrei Boyanov 

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From: "Nikolay Mitev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: lug-bg: vxWindows


> Vasko Tomanov wrote:
>
> >nikoi da polzva wxWindows ?
> >
> Me
>
> >
> >mislia si dali e  dostatshno seriozno i s badeshte za da baziram neshtata
si
> >na nego ?
> >
> Нямаш никакъв проблем. Аз съм много доволен. Все пак предпочитам Qt, но
> ако искаш да бачка и под win без да плащаш ползвай wxWindows. Единствено

Защо, бе, да не би Qt за Windows  да е само платено?

Андрей


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