RE: lug-bg: Linux Network Administrator's Guide Soft-Press
G-n Stanislav Minchev se svurza i s men s izvineniya za problema i s molba da izyasnim situatziyata i da namerim nai-dobroto reshenie. Pisah mu i veroyatno shte se vidya s nego ili pone shte se chuem po telefona utre - az i bez tova sum v komandirovka v Sofia tezi dni... Yovko -Original Message- From: Vasko Tomanov Sent: Tue 8/28/2001 11:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: lug-bg: Linux Network Administrator's Guide Soft-Press kolegi toku shto imah razovor sas Stanislav - sobstvenika i upravitel na soft-press ( nasheto izdatelstvo www.topteam.bg ima kontakti otdavna s tiah) po vaprosa za knigata za linux administracia.. winmail.dat
Re: lug-bg: Linux Network Administrator's Guide Soft-Press
Yovko D. Lambrev wrote: Â÷åðà èçïðàòèõ ñëåäíîòî ïèñìî äî Cindy Wetterlund îò O'Reilly ñ êîïèå äî àâòîðèòå íà êíèãàòà è êîïèå äî ÑîôòÏðåñ: -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: GNU FDLicense violation in Bulgarian version of LINUX - NAGuide Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 18:06:55 +0300 From: Yovko Lambrev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Cindy, I am referring to you as an International Rights Manager of O'Reilly Associates, Inc. I recently bought the Bulgarian translation of Linux Network Administrator's Guide, Second Edition, published in Bulgaria by SoftPress Ltd. I love this book and I was happy to find that it was published under the GNU FDL, just like the original edition from O'Reilly. According to this license an online copy of the book has to be available. In the copyright note of the Bulgarian book the publisher claims it could be found at: http://www.soft-press.com/linux/index.html A scanned copy of the copyright note of the Bulgarian book (which is only in English and has no Bulgarian translation) is enclosed. Please, note that the full text of the license at the end of the book has not translation too! Unfortunately, as of now, the online copy is not available at the address stated above. I have written three letters to SoftPress ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) asking them to explain why the GNU FDL has been violated, but there has been no answer from them whatsoever. I have also posted an article (http://www.bgit.net/?id=10716) in bgIT.net (an online media, something like a Bulgarian SlashDot) which is the most read article at the moment but, as you can probably guess, it has had no impact at all. I have also informed Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (http://www.linux-bulgaria.org). So I would like to ask for your cooperation on the problem and, if possible, to influence somehow your Bulgarian partners from SoftPress Ltd. so they stick to the GNU FDL. In case it has no effect, do you think it would be appropriate to inform the Free Software Foundation about this? - - -- Best regards, Yovko Lambrev http://web.orbitel.bg/yovko GnuPGP KeyID:0A23EE82 available from http://www.keyserver.net/ Fingerprint: 1D03 AB78 16A9 D490 A6C5 FB4F 1960 B7AB 0A23 EE82 - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7iRCSGWC3qwoj7oIRArIAAJkBmmExhD5IKA5f9hDixkh9Ebo/TQCeJ4pb Ey/DVjzzQFVfhJt9FgloMj8= =FUSk - -END PGP SIGNATURE- - --- Hora, ne zabravqite, 4e osven 'index.html' ima i 'index.htm', a toi raboti! -- Kliment Ognianov Junior System Administrator Developer BulInfo Ltd. http://www.bulinfo.net/ === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Linux Network Administrator's Guide Soft-Press
Yovko D. Lambrev wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"> Hello Kliment,Monday, August 27, 2001, 10:15:38 AM, you wrote: Hora, ne zabravqite, 4e osven 'index.html' ima i 'index.htm', a toi raboti! Ne mozha li da go namerish po-rano - az tolkova nervi i vreme hvurlih povuprosa? :-(((Problemut e che samite SoftPress sa napisali greshniya adres v knigatasi, a i ne blagovoliha da mi otgovoryat izobshto, koeto nikak ne giopravdava pone v moite ochi - kakto i da e... Radvam se che knigata eonline... 4estno da si priznaq, za purvi put .eghmmm...za vtori ili treti de, gledam tam.hrumna mi sled kato sutrinta se "borih" 1h s a-che-to ; Zabranih .htm extension-a , a taka krustih index-a i reshih, 4e i admin-a na soft-pres ili koito tam e uploadval e opleskali stana, got damn it! :) No ni6to! Staranieto e pohvalno! :) Edna bukvi4ka opleskva rabotata - e, vijdash kolko vreme nikoi ne se e setil ne6to sper elementarnoama koi 'regular' bi se setil? Kolko hora mogat da pusnat Apache ot obiknovenite 4itateli? Taka, 4e ne si se muchil naprazno! eGardz! -- Kliment Ognianov Junior System Administrator Developer BulInfo Ltd. http://www.bulinfo.net/
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Yovko D. Lambrev wrote: ... Mezhdu drugoto timestamp na PDF-a e ot 23 August 2001 13:24:45, koeto e edva minaliya chetvurtuk... . ?, ?? ???-??? ?? ?? ??. :) -- Kliment Ognianov Junior System Administrator Developer BulInfo Ltd. http://www.bulinfo.net/ === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
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On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 10:47:27AM +0300, Kliment Ognianov wrote: sled kato sutrinta se borih 1h s a-che-to ; Zabranih .htm extension-a , a taka krustih index-a i reshih, 4e i admin-a na soft-pres ili koito tam e uploadval e opleskali stana, got damn it! :) Àç îáèêíîâåíî, êîãàòî íÿêàêâà ñòðàíèöà íå èñêà äà ñå ÷åòå, ïðîáâàì äà âèäÿ êàêâî èìà â äèðåêòîðèÿòà, êàòî ìàõà ïîäðåä ÷àñòè îò êðàÿ íà àäðåñà (÷åñòî ñå ïîÿâÿâàò ñúîáùåíèÿ, ÷å ñúì íÿìàë ïðàâî). Íî òî÷íî ñåãà íå ñå áÿõ ñåòèë äà ïðîâåðÿ, èëè ïî-òî÷íî ãî îòëàãàõ... :-( Íî òîâà å ëåêî èçâúí òåìàòà. Èíà÷å å æàëêî, ÷å íå ñà îòãîâîðèëè, èíà÷å âúïðîñúò ùåøå äà ñå óðåäè âåäíàãà. Äàíî äà ïîñòàâÿò è åäèí index.html äà ñî÷è êúì index.htm. (Ìîæå áè å íàé äîáðå íÿêîé, êîéòî èì å ïèñàë âå÷å, äà ïèøå çà òîâà). Ïîçäðàâè Ãåí÷î === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
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Toku-shto doide otgovor ot Cindy Wetterlund: Dear Yovko, Thank you for your mail and concern. I appreciate you alerting me to this problem. I will contact the publisher and investigate this matter immediately. My guess is that there is a misunderstanding of some kind since SoftPress is indeed aware of the GNU guidelines and has agreed to follow them. I will try to clarify the matter with them. Shall I ask SoftPress to contact you when the problem is fixed, so you can find the book online? Best, Cindy --- I az i otgovorih toku-shto... Zapoznah ya i sus dneshnata sitatziya za poyavilata se stranitza na leko pogreshno myasto, koyato pone 3-4 puti dnes si smeni sudurzhanieto... Taka ili inache SoftPress shte budat zapitani kakvo stava i zashto knigata ne e kudeto tryabva da e ;-) Ochakvame razvruzkata... Yovko winmail.dat
Re: lug-bg: Linux Network Administrator's Guide Soft-Press
On Monday 27 August 2001 20:31, you wrote: Toku-shto doide otgovor ot Cindy Wetterlund: Dear Yovko, Thank you for your mail and concern. I appreciate you alerting me to this problem. I will contact the publisher and investigate this matter immediately. My guess is that there is a misunderstanding of some kind since SoftPress is indeed aware of the GNU guidelines and has agreed to follow them. I will try to clarify the matter with them. Shall I ask SoftPress to contact you when the problem is fixed, so you can find the book online? Best, Cindy --- I az i otgovorih toku-shto... Zapoznah ya i sus dneshnata sitatziya za poyavilata se stranitza na leko pogreshno myasto, koyato pone 3-4 puti dnes si smeni sudurzhanieto... Taka ili inache SoftPress shte budat zapitani kakvo stava i zashto knigata ne e kudeto tryabva da e ;-) Ochakvame razvruzkata... Yovko o4evadno e , 4e izdatelq si e vzel belezhka vizhdajki nakude otivat nestata, nqma na4in da ne sledqt thread-ovete na tazi tema oste ot samot si na4alo ... taka 4e po4ti uspqha da zamazhat nestata. Greshkata s .html/htm si e izcqlo tqhna. Tova e vse edno aptekar da sburka dozirovkata 0.30 s 0.03 i da ne korigira greshkata si navreme ... i clienta posle SIGDEAD :) ... da ne pravq po-kreshtqsti sravneniq v tova otnoshenie ... A ina4e ako ne beshe pohvanat tozi refren, pesenta nqmashe da se izpee do kraq... ubu 4e Yovko dade ton :) === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:20:49 +0100 (BST), you wrote: Hi Dobre de, knigata ima okolo 168334 dumi, a w lug-bg ima 273 uchastnika, t.e. za wseki ima malko poveche ot 600 dumi da prewede ot anglijski na bulgarski. Ako se hwanem, mozhem da ja prevedem za po-malko ot sedmica. Znachi, ako wmesto da se oplakwame i pishem pisma do gluhi izdateli, se zaemem po 2 chasa na den seriozno za rabota, to dosega shtjahme da imame knigata prewedena i publikuwana poweche ot 10 puti. (Imajki predwid, che Jowko Lambrev e powignal wuprosa otpredi poweche ot 3 meseca). S towa po nikakuw nachin ne oprawdawam izdatelstwoto. Prosto Kato ideq e mnogo dobre, no pomisli malko. Ima li smisul da dublirame preveod, kojto ve4e e napraven? I to pri polozhenie, 4e soft-press sa DLUZHNI (poradi licenza na knigata - LGPL mislq) da q napravqt dostupna online! Ne e li po-dobre usiliqta ni da otivat v prevod na ne6ta, kojto o6te ne sa prevedeni na bulgarski? Za men re6enieto e da im se tursi otgovornost (bilo to i po sudeben put)! Tova, koeto pravqt e nezakonno! Neznam dali knigata idva s cd, no ako q ima i na cd-to mozhe da q ka4im nie na BgIT, naprimer! V pravoto si sme! Ne trqbva da dopuskame o6te ot na4aloto da se pravqt takiva naru6eniq s licenzite! Pozdravi, face === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
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Absolutely "positive"! Te i predi tova na nqkolko putimoje i da ne sa to4no SP de, no gledam 3-4 knijki , deto izdavaha v razstoqnie na godina nqmat online versions na BG, koeto si e narushenie na licenza... Ama tuk koi to gleda...kato nqma koi da mu 'diga jega pod zadnika... Nikolay Mitev wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:20:49 +0100 (BST), you wrote: Hi >Dobre de, knigata ima okolo 168334 dumi, a w lug-bg ima 273 uchastnika, >t.e. za wseki ima malko poveche ot 600 dumi da prewede ot anglijski na >bulgarski. Ako se hwanem, mozhem da ja prevedem za po-malko ot sedmica. >Znachi, ako wmesto da se oplakwame i pishem pisma do gluhi izdateli, se >zaemem po 2 chasa na den seriozno za rabota, to dosega shtjahme da >imame knigata prewedena i publikuwana poweche ot 10 puti. (Imajki >predwid, che Jowko Lambrev e powignal wuprosa otpredi poweche ot 3 >meseca). S towa po nikakuw nachin ne oprawdawam izdatelstwoto. Prosto Kato ideq e mnogo dobre, no pomisli malko. Ima li smisul da dublirame preveod, kojto ve4e e napraven? I to pri polozhenie, 4e soft-press sa DLUZHNI (poradi licenza na knigata - LGPL mislq) da q napravqt dostupna online! Ne e li po-dobre usiliqta ni da otivat v prevod na ne6ta, kojto o6te ne sa prevedeni na bulgarski? Za men re6enieto e da im se tursi otgovornost (bilo to i po sudeben put)! Tova, koeto pravqt e nezakonno! Neznam dali knigata idva s cd, no ako q ima i na cd-to mozhe da q ka4im nie na BgIT, naprimer! V pravoto si sme! Ne trqbva da dopuskame o6te ot na4aloto da se pravqt takiva naru6eniq s licenzite! Pozdravi, face === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora -- Kliment Ognianov Junior System Administrator Developer BulInfo Ltd. http://www.bulinfo.net/ begin:vcard n:Ognianov;Kliment x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:BulInfo Ltd.;ISP Networks adr:;;11A Karnegi St.;Sofia;SFC;;Bulgaria version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Junior System Administrator Developer note;quoted-printable:Carnegie 11A,=0D=0A4th floor x-mozilla-cpt:;-20064 fn:Kliment Ognianov end:vcard
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Íå ÷å íå ñúì ñúãëàñåí ñúñ âñè÷êî èçëîæåíî äî òóê, íî äà âèäèì êàê ñòîÿò íåùàòà îò äðóãàòà ñòðàíà: 1. Íàäàëè îò òàçè êíèãà ( ïúê è îò êîÿòî è äà å) èìà ñåðèîçíà ïå÷àëáà. 2. Îíëàéí âåðñèÿ - áàñ äúðæà ÷å âñè÷êè ( ïîíå ÷ëåíîâåòå íà òîçè ëèñò) ùå ñè ÿ äðúïíàò è íÿìà äà ñè ÿ êóïÿò. 3. Êúäå å ñìèñúëúò îò ïîëçàòà ? 4. Öåíàòà íå å êîé çíàå êîëêî ãîëÿìà. 5. Èìàéòå â ïðåäâèä ÷å òî÷åíåòî íà êíèãàòà ùå äîâåäå äî äîñòà ãîëÿì ðàçõîä íà òðàôèê. 6. ... Ï.Ñ. Íå ãè çàùèòàâàì. Ïðîñòî ñìÿòàì ÷å ãîðå èçëîæåíèòå îò ìåíå äîâîäè èìàò èçâåñòåí ñìèñúë. Çàùîòî èíà÷å ìîæå è õàðä êîïèå äà íÿìà íà ïàçàðà íà Áúëãàðñêè. Ïîíåäåëíèê 13 Àâãóñò , 2001 12:07 , Kliment Ognianov íàïèñàõòå: Absolutely positive! Te i predi tova na nqkolko putimoje i da ne sa to4no SP de, no gledam 3-4 knijki , deto izdavaha v razstoqnie na godina nqmat online versions na BG, koeto si e narushenie na licenza... Ama tuk koi to gleda...kato nqma koi da mu 'diga jega pod zadnika... Nikolay Mitev wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:20:49 +0100 (BST), you wrote: Hi Dobre de, knigata ima okolo 168334 dumi, a w lug-bg ima 273 uchastnika, t.e. za wseki ima malko poveche ot 600 dumi da prewede ot anglijski na bulgarski. Ako se hwanem, mozhem da ja prevedem za po-malko ot sedmica. Znachi, ako wmesto da se oplakwame i pishem pisma do gluhi izdateli, se zaemem po 2 chasa na den seriozno za rabota, to dosega shtjahme da imame knigata prewedena i publikuwana poweche ot 10 puti. (Imajki predwid, che Jowko Lambrev e powignal wuprosa otpredi poweche ot 3 meseca). S towa po nikakuw nachin ne oprawdawam izdatelstwoto. Prosto Kato ideq e mnogo dobre, no pomisli malko. Ima li smisul da dublirame preveod, kojto ve4e e napraven? I to pri polozhenie, 4e soft-press sa DLUZHNI (poradi licenza na knigata - LGPL mislq) da q napravqt dostupna online! Ne e li po-dobre usiliqta ni da otivat v prevod na ne6ta, kojto o6te ne sa prevedeni na bulgarski? Za men re6enieto e da im se tursi otgovornost (bilo to i po sudeben put)! Tova, koeto pravqt e nezakonno! Neznam dali knigata idva s cd, no ako q ima i na cd-to mozhe da q ka4im nie na BgIT, naprimer! V pravoto si sme! Ne trqbva da dopuskame o6te ot na4aloto da se pravqt takiva naru6eniq s licenzite! Pozdravi, face = == A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora -- Kliment Ognianov Junior System Administrator Developer BulInfo Ltd. http://www.bulinfo.net/ Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name=Ïðèñúåäèíåíè: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=kleo.vcf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Kliment Ognianov -- -- Ivaylo Toshev SAIR Linux /GNU Certified Professional [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://linux.itce.com http://www.itce.com ITCE Ltd. Ñîôèÿ +359 2 957 17 83 +359 2 957 17 84 === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
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Da, ima go i tozi moment, no licenza si e licenz. Nikude ne pi6e, 4e Bulgariq e izklyu4enie. Otnosno to4ka 2 -> sravnitelno malko sa horata, koito 6te q drupnat, po4ti sum sklonen da se hvana na bas... Osven tova nikoi ne gi e karal nasila da q prevejdat i publish-vat, so ... da si poemat posledstviqta! Ivaylo Toshev wrote: , : 1. ( ) . 2. - ( ) . 3. ? 4. . 5. . 6. ... .. . . . 13 , 2001 12:07 , Kliment Ognianov : > Absolutely "positive"! > Te i predi tova na nqkolko putimoje i da ne sa to4no SP de, > no gledam 3-4 knijki , deto izdavaha v razstoqnie na godina > nqmat online versions na BG, koeto si e narushenie na licenza... > Ama tuk koi to gleda...kato nqma koi da mu 'diga jega pod zadnika... > -- Kliment Ognianov Junior System Administrator Developer BulInfo Ltd. http://www.bulinfo.net/ begin:vcard n:Ognianov;Kliment x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:BulInfo Ltd.;ISP Networks adr:;;11A Karnegi St.;Sofia;SFC;;Bulgaria version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Junior System Administrator Developer note;quoted-printable:Carnegie 11A,=0D=0A4th floor x-mozilla-cpt:;-20064 fn:Kliment Ognianov end:vcard
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Zdraveite, Na men lichno ne mi puka specialno za tazi kniga, no vaprosat e principen. (1) Povecheto ot chlenovete na tazi grupa mai znaiat angliiski, taka che mogat da si drupnat knigata ot originalnoto izdanie. Tova obache ne e prichina za Soft-press da ne ia pusnat on-line. (2) Nikoi ne e kazal che knigata triabva da e v PDF, Postscript, ili kakavto i da e format udoben za pechatane. HTML-at sashto moje da se vodi za izhoden hod. Az lichno nikoga ne bih sednal da razpechatam stotici stranici ot Netscape. (3) Vseki koito ne spazva zakonite triabva da bude nakazan. Kato Soft-Press ne mogat da pusnat knigata pod GPL, da platiat na niakoi da im napishe edna opriginalna kniga, specialno i samo za tiah. Ako i tova ne mogat da hodiat da sadiat kartofi. (4) Az moga utre da resha da pusna sushtata kniga samo che s po-kachestveni korici naprimer. Triabva otnovo da ia prevejdam. Nali zatova e cialata dandania okolo Open Source - da ne se preotkriva Amerika vseki den i ot vseki edin. Soft-press sa vzeli materiala ot O'Reilly i sa dobavili neshto. Te sa dlujni da go pusnat svobodno. Az moje da vzema rezultata ot Soft-press, da poopravia tova onova i da go pusna v obrashtenie. Drug moje da vzeme rezultata ot men i t.n. Eto tova e smisala ot polzata. Svetoslav n Monday 13 August 2001 11:31, you wrote: Íå ÷å íå ñúì ñúãëàñåí ñúñ âñè÷êî èçëîæåíî äî òóê, íî äà âèäèì êàê ñòîÿò íåùàòà îò äðóãàòà ñòðàíà: 1. Íàäàëè îò òàçè êíèãà ( ïúê è îò êîÿòî è äà å) èìà ñåðèîçíà ïå÷àëáà. 2. Îíëàéí âåðñèÿ - áàñ äúðæà ÷å âñè÷êè ( ïîíå ÷ëåíîâåòå íà òîçè ëèñò) ùå ñè ÿ äðúïíàò è íÿìà äà ñè ÿ êóïÿò. 3. Êúäå å ñìèñúëúò îò ïîëçàòà ? 4. Öåíàòà íå å êîé çíàå êîëêî ãîëÿìà. 5. Èìàéòå â ïðåäâèä ÷å òî÷åíåòî íà êíèãàòà ùå äîâåäå äî äîñòà ãîëÿì ðàçõîä íà òðàôèê. 6. ... Ï.Ñ. Íå ãè çàùèòàâàì. Ïðîñòî ñìÿòàì ÷å ãîðå èçëîæåíèòå îò ìåíå äîâîäè èìàò èçâåñòåí ñìèñúë. Çàùîòî èíà÷å ìîæå è õàðä êîïèå äà íÿìà íà ïàçàðà íà Áúëãàðñêè. === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Linux Network Administrator's Guide Soft-Press
Dokolkoto si spomnqm LNAG imashe dva licenza - edin, ako q prodavash za pechalba, i drug - ako q razprostranqvash bezplatno. Napylno e vyzmozhno SoftPress da ne sa dlyzhni da q predostavqt online, ako sa platili avtorski prava. Prevodachyt mi e kolega, no v momenta e v otpusk, ta ne moga da go pitam, a mozhe i da ne znae. Az si q kupih, makar che q imam i v elektronen vid, i v anglijska kniga. Kolkoto i da e dobra, materialyt veche e malko poostarql. Naj-dobrata kniga za Linux v elektronen vid v momenta spored men e LINUX Rute Users Tutorial and Exposition: http://rute.sourceforge.net/ Knigata e obshirna i syvremenna. Ako se namerqt oshte zhelaeshti, az se angazhiram za edna glavichka. Petko Nikolay Mitev [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: lug-bg: Linux Network Administrator's Guide Soft-PressDate: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:55:04 +0300 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:20:49 +0100 (BST), you wrote: Hi Dobre de, knigata ima okolo 168334 dumi, a w lug-bg ima 273 uchastnika, t.e. za wseki ima malko poveche ot 600 dumi da prewede ot anglijski na bulgarski. Ako se hwanem, mozhem da ja prevedem za po-malko ot sedmica. Znachi, ako wmesto da se oplakwame i pishem pisma do gluhi izdateli, se zaemem po 2 chasa na den seriozno za rabota, to dosega shtjahme da imame knigata prewedena i publikuwana poweche ot 10 puti. (Imajki predwid, che Jowko Lambrev e powignal wuprosa otpredi poweche ot 3 meseca). S towa po nikakuw nachin ne oprawdawam izdatelstwoto. Prosto Kato ideq e mnogo dobre, no pomisli malko. Ima li smisul da dublirame preveod, kojto ve4e e napraven? I to pri polozhenie, 4e soft-press sa DLUZHNI (poradi licenza na knigata - LGPL mislq) da q napravqt dostupna online! Ne e li po-dobre usiliqta ni da otivat v prevod na ne6ta, kojto o6te ne sa prevedeni na bulgarski? Za men re6enieto e da im se tursi otgovornost (bilo to i po sudeben put)! Tova, koeto pravqt e nezakonno! Neznam dali knigata idva s cd, no ako q ima i na cd-to mozhe da q ka4im nie na BgIT, naprimer! V pravoto si sme! Ne trqbva da dopuskame o6te ot na4aloto da se pravqt takiva naru6eniq s licenzite! Pozdravi, face --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/ === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:40:22 +0300 (EEST), you wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Nikolay Mitev wrote: Ne trqbva da dopuskame o6te ot na4aloto da se pravqt takiva naru6eniq s licenzite! Boretz za Swobodu Towarisht Leninu :-) Hi, again. Vizh sega, spored men majtaput e neumesten! Nie sme se subrali tuk v tozi list, za6toto spodelqme (pone pove4eto ot nas) edni i su6ti obezhdeniq po povod open source i free (kato speech) software. Ne6tata sa dosta prosti: Soft-press sa preveli kniga, 4ijto licenz iziskva da bude dostupna i v elektronen vid. Te sa slozhili link kum elektronniq vid, no uvi tam ima void. Tova e naru6enie na licenza! Suotvetno ili trqbva da si izpulnat zadulzheniqta, ili da si ponesat posledstviqta! Ako trqbva az li4no 6te pi6a Free Software Foundation, za da gi uvedomq za naru6enie na licenza! V krajna smetka vseki nosi otgovornost za dejstviqta (ili bezdejstviqta) si! Tova e! Az li4no sum dosta qdosan! Taka 4e, hora, dajte da vzemem merki! Predlagam da pusnem o6te edin mail, i da im obqsnim, 4e ako ne q publikuvat v net-a, 6te subo6tim na FSF i te 6te se zanimavat s tqh! egards, face === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Linux Network Administrator's Guide Soft-Press
Prehyvrlih sydyrjanieto i me wpechatli, blagodaria za link-a, mnogo e cenen, w izraz na blagodarnost bih se wkluchil i az w previda pone na 1-2 glavi, imam i izwesten opit kato redaktor bih mogyl da pozgladia krainia variant ako ima jelanie ot strana na prevodachite :-) 13.8.2001 ã. 14:09:48, Petko Boukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dokolkoto si spomnqm LNAG imashe dva licenza - edin, ako q prodavash za pechalba, i drug - ako q razprostranqvash bezplatno. Napylno e vyzmozhno SoftPress da ne sa dlyzhni da q predostavqt online, ako sa platili avtorski prava. Prevodachyt mi e kolega, no v momenta e v otpusk, ta ne moga da go pitam, a mozhe i da ne znae. Az si q kupih, makar che q imam i v elektronen vid, i v anglijska kniga. Kolkoto i da e dobra, materialyt veche e malko poostarql. Naj-dobrata kniga za Linux v elektronen vid v momenta spored men e LINUX Rute Users Tutorial and Exposition: http://rute.sourceforge.net/ Knigata e obshirna i syvremenna. Ako se namerqt oshte zhelaeshti, az se angazhiram za edna glavichka. Petko Nikolay Mitev [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: lug-bg: Linux Network Administrator's Guide Soft- PressDate: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:55:04 +0300 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:20:49 +0100 (BST), you wrote: Hi Dobre de, knigata ima okolo 168334 dumi, a w lug-bg ima 273 uchastnika, t.e. za wseki ima malko poveche ot 600 dumi da prewede ot anglijski na bulgarski. Ako se hwanem, mozhem da ja prevedem za po-malko ot sedmica. Znachi, ako wmesto da se oplakwame i pishem pisma do gluhi izdateli, se zaemem po 2 chasa na den seriozno za rabota, to dosega shtjahme da imame knigata prewedena i publikuwana poweche ot 10 puti. (Imajki predwid, che Jowko Lambrev e powignal wuprosa otpredi poweche ot 3 meseca). S towa po nikakuw nachin ne oprawdawam izdatelstwoto. Prosto Kato ideq e mnogo dobre, no pomisli malko. Ima li smisul da dublirame preveod, kojto ve4e e napraven? I to pri polozhenie, 4e soft-press sa DLUZHNI (poradi licenza na knigata - LGPL mislq) da q napravqt dostupna online! Ne e li po-dobre usiliqta ni da otivat v prevod na ne6ta, kojto o6te ne sa prevedeni na bulgarski? Za men re6enieto e da im se tursi otgovornost (bilo to i po sudeben put)! Tova, koeto pravqt e nezakonno! Neznam dali knigata idva s cd, no ako q ima i na cd-to mozhe da q ka4im nie na BgIT, naprimer! V pravoto si sme! Ne trqbva da dopuskame o6te ot na4aloto da se pravqt takiva naru6eniq s licenzite! Pozdravi, face --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/ === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Linux Network Administrator's Guide Soft-Press
Nikolay Mitev wrote: defakto, prav si. I na men mi pisna nqkoi hora da pechelqt i komersializirat do maximum volunteer truda na drugi. Dokolkoto znam ot SoftPress sa si MS fenove, no tova e druga tema. Ta zashto SoftPress ne vzemat da pusnat i te nqkoi prevod free v mrezhata?? Ne e chestno da vzimash, a ne davash. On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:40:22 +0300 (EEST), you wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Nikolay Mitev wrote: Ne trqbva da dopuskame o6te ot na4aloto da se pravqt takiva naru6eniq s licenzite! Boretz za Swobodu Towarisht Leninu :-) Hi, again. Vizh sega, spored men majtaput e neumesten! Nie sme se subrali tuk v tozi list, za6toto spodelqme (pone pove4eto ot nas) edni i su6ti obezhdeniq po povod open source i free (kato speech) software. Ne6tata sa dosta prosti: Soft-press sa preveli kniga, 4ijto licenz iziskva da bude dostupna i v elektronen vid. Te sa slozhili link kum elektronniq vid, no uvi tam ima void. Tova e naru6enie na licenza! Suotvetno ili trqbva da si izpulnat zadulzheniqta, ili da si ponesat posledstviqta! Ako trqbva az li4no 6te pi6a Free Software Foundation, za da gi uvedomq za naru6enie na licenza! V krajna smetka vseki nosi otgovornost za dejstviqta (ili bezdejstviqta) si! Tova e! Az li4no sum dosta qdosan! Taka 4e, hora, dajte da vzemem merki! Predlagam da pusnem o6te edin mail, i da im obqsnim, 4e ako ne q publikuvat v net-a, 6te subo6tim na FSF i te 6te se zanimavat s tqh! egards, face === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Linux Network Administrator's Guide Soft-Press
Zdraveyte! Pregledah LINUX Rute Users Tutorial and Exposition i na men mi haresva. Ne znam dokolko e cenna - tova moze bi shte se razbere v procesa na rabota s neya (primerno pri prevoda...). No sum strashno navit da se hvanem i da ya prevedem. Count me in!!! E, da ne zabravyame, che nay-veroyatno sh'e tryabva da se grizim periodichno za prevoda - novi versii i t.n. A kolkoto do zaformiliya se spor dali tryabva da se suobrazyavame s licenza ili ne, edno e yasno - GNU GPL e sushtoto neshto, poglednato chisto formalno(!!!), razbira se, kakvoto e EULA da kazem - predlozenie za dogovor, koyto, sled kato bude priet, stava zakon. Ako ne beshe taka, dosega MS da sa otkradnali, bez daze da go kriyat, tonove kod ot programite pod GNU licenz. I, ot druga strana, nyamashe crack- nalite MS software da se kriyat na tumno (...i na Slaveykov... :-)) ). I neshto drugo si go znaem - tochno tova chudo na otvoreniya kod, svobodata i suvmestnata razrabotka ni e subralo tuka! Nyama kakvo da se luzem. Taka che ako ima problem, to toy e pri kakvi tochno usloviya SoftPress izdavat... Ako nyakoy ima turpenie - http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linag2/book/appc.html - az pone ne vidyah neshto po-osobeno. Vse pak may kniznata versiya moze da bude izdavana nezavisimo, a tya ne e pod GNU FDL. Taka che ne sum siguren, no may puk moze i vsichko da si e v reda na neshtata... -Iassen Pramatarov- SysAdmin at Minerva Foundation http://projectoria.search.bg http://minerva.sclg.uni-sofia.bg === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Linux Network Administrator's Guide Soft-Press
ami ne sam mnogo siguren ama mi se stori che v klubovete na dir.bg, linux niakoi napisa che tazi kniga ia e prevejdal Masklin (moderatora na klub linux v dir-a). Moje bi toi moje da dade malko poveche info?? btw zashto ne probva da napishesh na [EMAIL PROTECTED] , moje pak comments@ nikoi da ne go poglejda :) Nikolay Hristov - Original Message - From: Yovko D. Lambrev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:25 PM Subject: lug-bg: Linux Network Administrator's Guide Soft-Press Çäðàâåéòå! Êúì êðàÿ íà þíè áÿõ ïîâäèãíàë ïðåä ãðóïàòà òåìàòà çà òîâà, êàê Soft-Press îùå íå ñà ñëîæèëè online âåðñèÿ íà êíèãàòà ñè Linux - ðúêîâîäñòâî íà ìðåæîâèÿ àäìèíèñòðàòîð îáåùàõ è ÷å ùå ïîïèòàì èçäàòåëñòâîòî çàùî òàêà. Ïîïèòàõ, íî äî ìîìåíòà íÿìàì íèêàêúâ îòãîâîð íà òðè ïîñëåäîâàòåëíè ìîè ïèñìà. È ïîíåæå àäñêè ìðàçÿ ïîäîáíî îòíîøåíèå, ðàçêàçàõ çà òåçè, êîèòî ñå èíòåðåñóâàò èñòîðèÿòà online òóê: http://www.bgit.net/?id=10716 === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
