Adriaensen
Hello all, I have the corrected (once again - added barlines and fixed the #) Fronimo file for Passomeso and the accompanying Galliarda if anyone is interested. Jason
Re: Re: Fine Nacks for Ladies
John wrote: May I point out that the word knick-knack might be just a word? We speak of knick-knack shelf as a place to put little things and memorabilia. Jon, the piece is entitled Fine Knacks for Ladies not Fine Knick-Knacks for Ladies. Craig
Re: chilesotti #55
hi all, i just got the following answer to my question: The text (in 4 partes) by Luigi Tomasillo should be in _Giaches de Wert: Opera omnia,_ ed. Carol MacClintock and Melvin Bernstein, Corpus mensurabilis musicae, ser. 24, vol. 4 (Madrigals of 1567), 65. However, the music arranged in Chilesotti's Da un Codice Lauten-Buch, No. 55, is NOT the setting by Wert. Nor is it the ones by Primavera, or by Fonghetti. Lutenists will find the Wert setting intabulated (without the lyrics) for lute in Vincenzo Galilei's _Fronimo Dialogo._ (1584). Beau beau gustave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fine Nacks for Ladies
The full OED entry includes reference to related usage that suggests some=20 poetic spiciness was intended: 3. concr. An ingenious contrivance; a toy, trinket, trifle, knick-knack. ?= Obs. 1540 Heywood Four P.P. in Hazl. Dodsley I. 349 Needles, thread,=20 thimble, shears, and all such knacks. 1596 Shakes. Tam. Shr. iv. iii. 67=20 Why 'tis a cockle or a walnut-shell, A knacke, a toy, a tricke, a babies=20 cap: Away with it. ... =86b. A choice dish; a delicacy, a dainty. Obs. 1548 Udall, etc. Erasm. Par. Mark viii. 56 The knackes and junckettes=20 of the Rhetoricians, the royall dishes of the Philosophers. 1592 Greene=20 Disc. Coosnage iii. 10 Hee wanted no ordinarie good fare, wine and other=20 knackes. 1616 Surfl. Markh. Country Farme 574 The flower of=20 meale,+whereof the pasterers+doe make wafers, and such like daintie=20 knackes. 1642 Milton Apol. Smect. i. Wks. (1851) 283 (tr. Horace Sat. i.=20 i. 24) As some teachers give to Boyes Junkets and Knacks, that they may=20 learne apace. =86c. An ingeniously contrived literary composition; a quaint device or= =20 conceit in writing. Obs. 1605 Camden Rem., Rythmes 26 Our Poets hath their knacks+as Ecchos,=20 Achrostiches, Serpentine verses [etc.]. 1641 Denham Petit. to Five Members= =20 41 All those pretty knacks you composeAlas! what are they but poems in=20 prose? 1644 Bulwer Chiron. 98 Ovid that grand Master of love knacks. 1660= =20 H. More Myst. Godl. x. xiii. 532 You+reproach them+that they have not taken= =20 up your Allegorical knacks. 1. A trick; a device, artifice; formerly often, a deceitful or crafty=20 device, a mean or underhand trick; later esp. an adroit or ingenious method= =20 of doing something, a clever expedient, a =91dodge=92. c1369 Chaucer Dethe Blaunche 1033 She ne used no suche knakkes=20 smale. c1380 Wyclif Wks. (1880) 184 Coueitous laweieris wi=FE here gnackis= =20 iapis. a1420 Hoccleve De Reg. Princ. 1395 Al =FEis+Is but a iape, who= seith,=20 or a knak. c1470 Henryson Mor. Fab. v. (Parl. Beasts) xxx, =91Let be,=20 lowrence=92, quod scho, =91your courtlie knax=92. c1540 Earl of Surrey= Poems=20 (1854) 68, I have found a neck To keep my men in guard. 1548 Udall Erasm.= =20 Par. Luke Pref. 13 Swete pleasaunte knackes and conceiptes. 1568 Jacob =20 Esau ii. ii. in Hazl. Dodsley II. 214 That ever son of thine should play=20 such a lewd knack! ... 2. The =91trick=92 of dexterous performance; an acquired faculty of= doing=20 something cleverly, adroitly, and successfully. (Now the leading sense.) 1581 Mulcaster Positions v. (1887) 34 They that haue any naturall=20 towardnesse to write well, haue a knacke of drawing to. ... b. A =91trick=92 of action, speech, etc.; a personal habit of acting or= =20 speaking in a particular way. 1674 N. Fairfax Bulk Selv. To Rdr., If the knack of borrowing, or=20 robbing and pilfering rather, gets but a little further ground amongst=20 us,+it will+be harder for an English-man to speak his own tongue without=20 mingling others with it, than to speak a medly of sundry others with~out=20 bringing in his own. ... At 10:06 AM 11/11/2003 -0500, Caroline Usher wrote: At 08:51 AM 11/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: So then the nacks could be a metaphor for the kind of breathlessness experienced in a passionate encounter. No need to reach so far: 3. concr. An ingenious contrivance; a toy, trinket, trifle,=20 = http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/crossref?xrefed=3DOEDxrefword=3Dknick-knack= KNICK-KNACK.=20 ? Obs. 1540 HEYWOOD Four P.P. in Hazl. Dodsley I. 349 Needles, thread,=20 thimble, shears, and all such knacks. 1596 SHAKES. Tam. Shr. IV. iii. 67= =20 Why 'tis a cockle or a walnut-shell, A knacke, a toy, a tricke, a babies= =20 cap: Away with it. a1677 BARROW Serm. (1683) II. vii. 104 Springs, and=20 wheels, and such mechanick knacks. 1715 tr. C'tess D'Aunoy's Wks. 557 A=20 Thousand pretty Knacks..which she made with Fish-Bones and Shells, with=20 Reeds and Rushes. 1825 LAMB Elia Ser. II. Superannuated Man, All the=20 glittering and endless succession of knacks and gew~gaws. 1863 COWDEN=20 CLARKE Shaks. Char. xiv. 360 The pedlar's knacks and gaudy trash [Wint.=20 T. IV. iv.] absorb Mopsa's whole gloating vision. Check the third verse of the song, which lists some of the pedlar's=20 kncks: pins, points, laces and gloves. * Caroline Usher DCMB Administrative Coordinator 613-8155 Box 91000 -- Douglas E. Miller Home: 203 270 1987, Cell: 203 733 6751 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] erymanguild.org Everyman Guild: www.everymanguild.org --
Re: Fine Nacks for Ladies
But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. The poet seems to be comparing the love of material things personified by the peddlar's trade, with true emotional love which even a profane peddlar may feel. If there was salacious intent, I don't think it would be veiled. I don't think the Elizabethans really shared our post-victorian prudishness, so such matters were not really titillating. I participated in a couple of master classes with Robert Spencer, and he pointed out that what seems veiled to us (e.g. Turtels and twins, court's brood, a heavenly pair referring to Castor and Pollux, symbols of fraternal love) was quite plain to a period and class who were familiar with the classics, rhetoric etc. Just my $0.02 Marcus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The full OED entry includes reference to related usage that suggests some=20 poetic spiciness was intended: -- // Marcus Merrin PhD. // EmptyAir Consulting // Linux/Unix-platform database and custom server technology // [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://emptyair.com // (902)225-5188 (Mobile) || (902)455-2284 (Office) /
Re: Fine Nacks for Ladies
Stewart McCoy Wrote I confess to being shocked the first time I ever heard Purcell's ode for Queen Mary, Come, come ye sons of art. I didn't know the words then, and I certainly didn't hear of art. Would Purcell have dared to do something like that? Bearing in mind his catches, I believe he might well have done. My favorite example is the Madrigal Weep O mine eyes and cease not which is almost impossible to sing without making it Weep O mine eyes and see snot. Of course current usage will often add or delete these double meanings. Who knows, in 100 years, old songs with the word gay in them might revert to their original intent. Marcus -- // Marcus Merrin PhD. // EmptyAir Consulting // Linux/Unix-platform database and custom server technology // [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://emptyair.com // (902)225-5188 (Mobile) || (902)455-2284 (Office) /
Just.....
...when you thought it was safe to go back in the water: There is a new item for Baroque Lute (in MAJOR) at http://polyhymnion.org/torban (page 4, #19) This song comes from a particular region of western Ukraine where the augmented seconds (i.e. those rare and peculiar intervals found in Weiss-Moscow Ms.) occur. Enjoy, RT
A little off topic -EMA
Many of you will have noticed that I sometimes end my messages with, Loughborough East Mids.UK Does anyone know the location of the East Midlands? It does not appear on maps. I live only about 10 miles from the East Midlands Aiport and there is a poll to change the name. I beg your indulgence a few moments to consider some possibilities... It seems no-one outside the UK knows where the East Midlands is! Well, if Birmingham is in the West Midlands, we're 50 miles to the east, within a triangle of three cities. The EMA is on the border with Derbyshire and has a Derby phone number. Derby is 10m to the west The EMA is just in Leicestershire and policed by Leics. Leicester is 12m to the south The EMA is also on the border with Nottinghamshire. Nottingham is 12m to the east. It seems most people outside the UK know about Nottingham, but not so much Leicester, or Derby. (Pronounced Lester, or Darbie) Should the EMA be re-named, e.g. -Nottingham International Airport, or stay as it is? I would be interested to know the opinion of none-UK readers. Ron (UK)
Re: A little off topic -EMA
Ron, I bought a custom made penny whistle (for a lot more than a penny) from a lad in the East Midlands several years ago (his lathe is older than he is, but not older than I am). And for years I have sung of the Derby (Darbie) Ram. My greatgrandfather was the mayor of Duns (Doonce) in the lowlands that had passed between Northumberland and Scotland a few times. I'm sure that most who know of Nottingham associate it with Sherwood Forest and Robin of Locksley, and have little knowledge of the location. I don't think Nottingham International would draw better than East Midlands (particularly if the runway length isn't International - that is the definition of an International airport, the size of the planes they can accomodate). There is an East Hartford International airport in Connecticutt, USA. It doesn't draw any international flights, no one in Europe wants to go to Connecticutt. In fact the most convenient international airport to New York City is Newark (N.J.) international (now called Newark Liberty International since 9/11). For years it has had difficulty drawing flights from Europe as a traveller going to New York (and not knowing the geography) wants to go to NYC, not New Jersey. But Newark, N.J. is twenty minutes from Manhattan and Kennedy is in the wilds of Queens nearly an hour away. (NYC is five boroughs, and the city limits are probably bigger than several small countries). So I suggest that anyone who wants to go to the East Midlands will go, whether it is Nottingham or East Midlands. Best, Jon
Re: Fine Nacks for Ladies
There is a category of sounds called Lady Mondegreens, defined by the American linguist (and also political commentator under his other hat) William Safire. They have killed the Earl of Murray, and laid him on the green. Another in that group is Gladly the cross-eyed bear (Gladly the Cross I'd bear). There are many more, but I'll leave them to you all. And I do resent that I can no longer call myself a gay bachelor without implying something I'm not. My late mother had one, her own childhood sounding - Our father who art in heaven, Harold be thy name. Best, Jon Stewart McCoy Wrote I confess to being shocked the first time I ever heard Purcell's ode for Queen Mary, Come, come ye sons of art. I didn't know the words then, and I certainly didn't hear of art. Would Purcell have dared to do something like that? Bearing in mind his catches, I believe he might well have done. My favorite example is the Madrigal Weep O mine eyes and cease not which is almost impossible to sing without making it Weep O mine eyes and see snot. Of course current usage will often add or delete these double meanings. Who knows, in 100 years, old songs with the word gay in them might revert to their original intent. Marcus -- // Marcus Merrin PhD. // EmptyAir Consulting // Linux/Unix-platform database and custom server technology // [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://emptyair.com // (902)225-5188 (Mobile) || (902)455-2284 (Office) /
