Weiss concertos
Dear all, does anyone know, whether the scores of Richard Stone's Weiss concerto-reconstructions are in the public domain? This morning I listened to a concerto in C major, which I found extravagant and beautiful. I ordered the CD from Chandos right away. Best regards, Bernhard ___ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Weiss concertos
Bernhard Hofstoetter wrote: does anyone know, whether the scores of Richard Stone's Weiss concerto-reconstructions are in the public domain? They're published by A-R Editions, and not in the public domain. HP To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Judentanz Neusidler etc.
Rainer wrote: from my database: 5609 57/2 The rich Jew copied from 1186, Brookes No. 939, keyboard 1186 100v/2 ye rich Jew. Brookes, No. 939, keyboard Dd.5.21 12r ???, recorder Dd.9.33 38r/2 de Jerr a mort, lute Dd.3.18 48r The Jewes Dawnce. R Nicolson [index:] Jewes Dawnce., lute Dd.9.33 38r/2 de Jerr a mort, lute 1 2 1 3 1 |-a-a-a-|-a-a-|-a---a-c-a---a-a-|-c-a-a-a-| |-a-a-c-c---|-e-a-c-e-a-a-|---d---d-c-a-c-a-c-d---c-d---|-e-c-e-a-c-e-a-a-| |-d-d-d-|-a-a-c-c-|-|-a-c-| |-c-c---|-|-|-| |-a---e-|-c---a-c-|-a---e---|-c---| |-a-a---|---e-a-a-|-a---|-a---| a 2 3 2 1 3 1 |-e-e-f-f-e-f-|-h---a-a-|-e-c-a-c-e-a-c-e-f-e-c-e-f-c-e-f-|-ha-a---a-| |-f-f-c-c-|-a-a-c-e-a-a-|-a---a---c---|--a-c-e-a---a-| |-f-f-|-d-a-c-c-|-|a---c-d-c-| |-|-|-|--c---| |-a---|-a-c-|-a---|a---c-| |-a-a-|-a-e-a-a-|-a---a---|---a-e--a---a-| 2.3 2 3 2.3 2 3 2 1 3 2 1 |-e-f-h-f-h-k-h-f-e-f-|-h---a-a-|-e---e-f-h-e-f-h-k-h-f-e-f-e-c-a-|---a-c---a-|| |-a---a---|-a-a-c-e-a-a-|---h-|-e-c-e-a-c-e-a-|| |-|---a-c-c-|-|-c-|| |-|-|-|---c---|| |---a---a-|-a-c-|-a---a---|---|| |-a---a---|-a-e-a---|-a---a---|-a---a-|| a a I must say that to my ears this does not sound very much like jewish music! B.R. G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
List archives.
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new cd, publication and upcoming zarzuela performances..
Dear Luters... Having just finished a wonderful concert with my colleagues Monica Hugget and Paul Beier of all 17th century Italian music in Sardinia I find myself in Italy finishing work on my upcoming edition of Francesca Caccini's opera La Liberazione di Ruggiero dall'Isola Alcina (1625) which will be published next year by Kings Music (UK). This was the first published opera to be composed by a woman composer, the first setting of any part of Oralndo Furioso and the first Italian opera to have been performed outside of Italy. Since I have not contributed to this group with any regularity of late (raising 2 year old while my wife finishes her Ph.D., teaching at CSU Sacramento and the SF Conservatory, playing concerts and publishing articles and editions certainly limits one's time) I know that I have failed to mention a few things that might be of interest to the members of this list. ..please excuse me if I give you too much information ... I will likely not have the time to contribute again in such a manner for a while... Indiana University Press has recently published my edition of Francdesca Caccini's secular monodies from her 1618 publication Il Libro Primo. To those of you unfamiliar with Francesca...you should know that she was an extraordinary virtuosa, the highest paid member of the Medici court (except for the business manager) coveted by numerous courts throughout Europe and a close friend of the painter Artemisia Gentileschi. Her music is extraordinary. A couple of other projects on the horizon that might interest some of you are: Koch International has just released a new cd by my group El Mundo. Titled Villancicos y cantadas this cd consists of 17th and 18th century music from Mexico, Guatemala, Peru, Italy and Spain. It features the wonderful singing of Jennifer Ellis (soprano), Jennifer Lane (mezzo soprano), and extraordinary instrumental playing by Adam Lamotte (violin), Zachery Carrettin (violin), William Skeen (cello and gamba), Corey Jamason (harpsichord), Peter Maund (percussion) and Bruce Burchmore (guitar in D). This cd is available on the Koch website or from Amazon or any variety of fine record shops or websites. Please note that El Mundo will be performing this repertoire in an extensive tour of the western US next December and in Europe next May/June. (I'll be sure to make announcements at that time). In early July (1 2)I will be guest director during the first week of the Aston Magna Music Festival in Massachusetts and New York where I will lead and direct (on baroque guitar and theorbo) performances of Sebastian Duron's zarzuela Salir el Amor del mundo. These performances will feature a wonderful group of singers and instrumentalists including: Jennifer Ellis (soprano), Nancy Armstrong (soprano), Roberta Anderson (soprano), Deborah Rentz-Moore (mezzo soprano), Laurie Monahan (mezzo soprano), Paul Shipper (bass, baroque guitar and percussion), Daniel Stepner (violin), Laura Jeppesen (viola da gamba), Peter Sykes (harpsichord) and numerous other musicians. Go to the Aston Magna website for more information on this. Next year Ensmemble Galatea (Monica Huggett (violin), Bruce Dickey (cornetto), Paul Beier (lute theorbo), myself (lute guitar), Gianluca Capuano (organ) will be performing 3 tours next season: October in N. Italy with counter tenor Michael Chance; November: Eastern US Feb.: Western US. I'll be sure to inform the group of concert specifics as the time approaches. Finally, next season I will be giving a series of solo recitals on the baroque guitar and theorbo in San Francisco, New Haven, CT (Yale University Collection of Musical Instruments); Boston Museum of Fine Arts and a number of other location to be announced shortly. Thanks for your indulgence...now back to work at the archivo di stato. Da Firenze... Richard Savino -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: Blockage of sound by stuff on music stand.
You mean the lute-police will actually 'throw the book at him'? Best Wishes Ron (UK) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 June 2005 12:26 To: Herbert Ward; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: Blockage of sound by stuff on music stand. Suppose you put a large thick book on a music stand, directly in front of the lute. To what extent would this decrease the perceived volume for the audience in an auditorium? It largely depends on how the book in question is used. Such objects are common instruments of police brutality, because they leave no marks on one's head. RT http://polyhymnion.org ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
string tension for oud
Sorry if this has already been discussed before, but I just got a used turkish 6 course Oud with most strings missing. I want to restring it totally and have no idea how high the tension should be. I suppose it is a bit higher than a lute's string tension (maybe something like 4kg per string?). I am also not sure about which tuning I should use. Any advice would be helpful. Regards Hermann Platzer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: string tension for oud
lucky you! who is the luthier? here is a wonderful site set up by a man named mavrothis (mav) in the united states: http://www.oudcafe.com/ he's a versatile musician, very knowledgeable about the technical aspects of oud play and has some simple but very good practice exercises available to all. if i remember correctly he also has an mp3 on site of the proper tuning for a turkish oud. highly recommended. - bill --- Hermann Platzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if this has already been discussed before, but I just got a used turkish 6 course Oud with most strings missing. I want to restring it totally and have no idea how high the tension should be. I suppose it is a bit higher than a lute's string tension (maybe something like 4kg per string?). I am also not sure about which tuning I should use. Any advice would be helpful. Regards Hermann Platzer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
Re: string tension for oud
No idea about the luthier, it was an ebay deal for 76 Euros and it has a nice shell, the soundboard has a few minor cracks but it sounds ok. I don't even know if I should tune it in a kind of lute tuning for medieval music or something like e1bf#BAE for pseudoarabic improvisation with a drone note. Hermann bill kilpatrick wrote: lucky you! who is the luthier? here is a wonderful site set up by a man named mavrothis (mav) in the united states: http://www.oudcafe.com/ he's a versatile musician, very knowledgeable about the technical aspects of oud play and has some simple but very good practice exercises available to all. if i remember correctly he also has an mp3 on site of the proper tuning for a turkish oud. highly recommended. - bill --- Hermann Platzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if this has already been discussed before, but I just got a used turkish 6 course Oud with most strings missing. I want to restring it totally and have no idea how high the tension should be. I suppose it is a bit higher than a lute's string tension (maybe something like 4kg per string?). I am also not sure about which tuning I should use. Any advice would be helpful. Regards Hermann Platzer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
Re: string tension for oud
Dear Hermann, Try Matthias Wagner http://www.lutes-strings.de - he's got a lot of proposed sets, depending on the tuning you want and the type of string - if you're watching, Matthias, I'm trying to work out which set I need - there's a lot of choice there! Tony - Original Message - From: Hermann Platzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: Re: string tension for oud No idea about the luthier, it was an ebay deal for 76 Euros and it has a nice shell, the soundboard has a few minor cracks but it sounds ok. I don't even know if I should tune it in a kind of lute tuning for medieval music or something like e1bf#BAE for pseudoarabic improvisation with a drone note. Hermann bill kilpatrick wrote: lucky you! who is the luthier? here is a wonderful site set up by a man named mavrothis (mav) in the united states: http://www.oudcafe.com/ he's a versatile musician, very knowledgeable about the technical aspects of oud play and has some simple but very good practice exercises available to all. if i remember correctly he also has an mp3 on site of the proper tuning for a turkish oud. highly recommended. - bill --- Hermann Platzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if this has already been discussed before, but I just got a used turkish 6 course Oud with most strings missing. I want to restring it totally and have no idea how high the tension should be. I suppose it is a bit higher than a lute's string tension (maybe something like 4kg per string?). I am also not sure about which tuning I should use. Any advice would be helpful. Regards Hermann Platzer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
Swan Lute Book
Dear Arthur, The outside cover of the Swan Lute manuscript is included in the facsimile. I have had another look at it, and I am inclined to agree with Tim Crawford that the motto reads, Inconcussa manet (She remains steadfast). Out of curiosity I searched for Inconcussa manet via Google, and found a few sites in Czech, Latin, and Spanish, including the following: Inconcussa manet: Emblematické supralibros Maríe Manrique de Lara y Mendoza, in Sborník k 80. narozeninám Mirjam Bohatcové, ed. Anezka Badurová, Prague, 1999 [2000], pp. 152-62 From this I gather that Maríe Manrique de Lara y Mendoza stamped her books with the motto Inconcussa manet. It's too early to say for sure, of course, but it seems likely that this lady or one of her descendants living in Prague owned the Swan Lute Book. One of the websites seemed to suggest that the motto may have been taken from a sacred text. I have tried in vain to identify the tower in the emblem. There seem to be two winds, little putti blowing at the tower, so it may represent the Tower of the Winds in Athens, associated with time. It is known as the Horologium. Although Athens is a long way from Prague, using the image of that tower to represent the passing of time, is the sort of thing someone might want to include in their emblem. Best wishes, Stewart. - Original Message - From: Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Judentanz Neusidler etc. Dear Stewart, A Russian musiciologist and then Tim Crawford tried to read that seal as Latin, and it didn't make sense. The spelling is irregular, and looks somewhat like Latin. But it's French all right. Idon't know if the cover is in the facsimile edition. I have some old Xeroxes from the 60s(?). And the watermark seems to represent the city gates of Rostock. Guess I'd look for somone named Zwann, since there is a Z in the monogram. Arthur. - Original Message - From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 4:47 AM Subject: Judentanz Neusidler etc. Dear Arthur, The first few pieces in Louise Charlotte's book are in keyboard tablature. They have some fingering marked, which gives a clue as to how one should perform the ornaments. There are some singing exercises, which seem to derive from Thomas Morley's _A Plaine and Easie Introduction_ . There follows a large number of songs, mostly in German, some of them with many verses, and written for treble and bass. The original clefs vary a little, as you might expect, but it's essentially a two-part texture. The book is a diplomatic facsimile of the original. It all looks rather quirky, but the main thing is that Musica Baltica have made the book available. They did a limited print-run - something to do with pressure from sponsors - but I would guess it is still available. I think it's a bit pricey, but then so many books of this kind are expensive. Their address is K. Barona iela 39, Riga, LV-1011; tel: 7275575; facs: 7272755; e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; website: www.musicabaltica.com . I'm not surprised that the Swan manuscript has a French motto, because, as you know, French was spoken in the highest echelons of society in many European countries. I'm afraid I have nothing useful to say about it though. All the best, Stewart. - Original Message - From: Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Judentanz Neusidler etc. Good morning, Stewart. What kind of notation is used in that songbook? Is it keyboard. I recall some French lute music, but perhaps transcribed for keyboard. Bolte gives the contents (ca. 1890). By the way, the seal stamped on the cover of Swan has a French, not Latin, slogan. Wonder if it can be traced. I can't reememberthe French words, but in translation is is something to the effect let creative efforts guide your rudder. That mound depicted in the center may be a lighthouse, or artificial hill used to light a guiding fire. That modern edition you cite from Riga. Is it an edition or a facsimile? Arthur. - Original Message - From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 5:19 AM Subject: Judentanz Neusidler etc. Dear Rainer, Many thanks for this list of pieces. I have one more to add to it. Kit's Almain is used for the song, Es ist warlich, No. 12 in the Baltic Song Book, i.e. the Louise Charlotte Songbook, St Petersburg Academy of Science, Q 203 (olim XXL 5). A modern edition is available via Musica Baltica in Riga, Latvia. Louise Charlotte's Songbook came from the same library (in Jelgava, Latvia) as the Swan Lute Book (ON 124) and a Dutch keyboard manuscript, QN 204 (olim XXL 6), before ending up in St Petersburg in 1716. The English connection is via Walter Rowe, who played and taught music in eastern Europe in the early part of
Re: Details
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My name seems to be spam!
Just seen a posting on the lute list which has my name tangled up with Dartmouth etc. I don't think this was anything I initiated. Does anyone know if this is common form of spam generated by some (unspeakable) 3rd party, or if it comes from a rogue application on my Mac or what? I am curious to know if I can prevent my name being used in this way. Richard Corran Tel: (+44) 7791 562738 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Re: Details
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Re: My name seems to be spam!
I have the same problem. Jose Luis Richard Corran escribió: Just seen a posting on the lute list which has my name tangled up with Dartmouth etc. I don't think this was anything I initiated. Does anyone know if this is common form of spam generated by some (unspeakable) 3rd party, or if it comes from a rogue application on my Mac or what? I am curious to know if I can prevent my name being used in this way. Richard Corran Tel: (+44) 7791 562738 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
Re: Details
i didn't request a file. i'm not aware of any thread called details. judging by this and the wierd spam posting adjacent i'd say gremlins have invaded the list. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the file. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: My name seems to be spam!
I got one too! -Original Message- From: Richard Corran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:40 AM To: Lute List Subject: My name seems to be spam! Just seen a posting on the lute list which has my name tangled up with Dartmouth etc. I don't think this was anything I initiated. Does anyone know if this is common form of spam generated by some (unspeakable) 3rd party, or if it comes from a rogue application on my Mac or what? I am curious to know if I can prevent my name being used in this way. Richard Corran Tel: (+44) 7791 562738 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: My name seems to be spam!
Me too - 'Here is the file' is normally with an attachment that the antivirus strips out, so maybe Wayne's system did that before it got through? - Original Message - From: Ken Brodkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lute List' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:26 PM Subject: RE: My name seems to be spam! I got one too! -Original Message- From: Richard Corran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:40 AM To: Lute List Subject: My name seems to be spam! Just seen a posting on the lute list which has my name tangled up with Dartmouth etc. I don't think this was anything I initiated. Does anyone know if this is common form of spam generated by some (unspeakable) 3rd party, or if it comes from a rogue application on my Mac or what? I am curious to know if I can prevent my name being used in this way. Richard Corran Tel: (+44) 7791 562738 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Details
Looks like a virus to me. Delete and Ignore. Luckily the list server doesn't pass on the attached virus file so there is no chance of infection. It has been around for a while, but just seems to have broken into some mailing list recently. Craig Robert Pierpont wrote: Does anybody know what this is? Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the file. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have **
Re: My name seems to be spam!
Me too!! Leonard Williams On 6/7/05 4:26 PM, Ken Brodkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got one too! -Original Message- From: Richard Corran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:40 AM To: Lute List Subject: My name seems to be spam! Just seen a posting on the lute list which has my name tangled up with Dartmouth etc. I don't think this was anything I initiated. Does anyone know if this is common form of spam generated by some (unspeakable) 3rd party, or if it comes from a rogue application on my Mac or what? I am curious to know if I can prevent my name being used in this way. Richard Corran Tel: (+44) 7791 562738 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
My name seems to be spam! - the answer, such as it is.
Hi - There are two ways to approach this - one is to say that the virus filter is working, and this is a stray fragment from the filter that won't hurt anyone - and leave it at that. However, I am sure some of you just *have* to know! The real story is that this message was sent without a From: field in the mail header, so your mail reader chose to display the From (no colon) address instead. The From (no colon) address of mail sent by the lute list always has the form of [EMAIL PROTECTED] The +your_name=Your_IP_address are treated as unread comments by the mail system, but if the mail is rejected and is sent back to the list administrator (ME) I can see who the mail was sent to. This is valuable, because sometimes people forward their mail, so the bouncer's address is nothing like the original recipient's address. In almost every case (except this one) the From: (yes colon) name is displayed insted, this being the name of the person who really sent the message. In this case, the person who sent the virus decided not to include their address, for obvious reasons. If anyone would like me to forward the virus, just let me know! Wayne Forwarded message: Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:39:43 +0100 From: Richard Corran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: My name seems to be spam! Just seen a posting on the lute list which has my name tangled up with Dartmouth etc. I don't think this was anything I initiated. Does anyone know if this is common form of spam generated by some (unspeakable) 3rd party, or if it comes from a rogue application on my Mac or what? I am curious to know if I can prevent my name being used in this way. Richard Corran Tel: (+44) 7791 562738 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Judentanz Neusidler etc.
Hi, just goofing hindsightedly (469 yrs.), trying to see what Neusidler was really saying. [My brackets] Here follows the Jew's dance, and whoever wishes to play it, must tune the Lute differently. Here is the tuning. First tune the 5th course and the small strings which lie next to the 5th course. Tune them to the cipher 4 [which equals the 2nd course loose]; and the 4th course has to sound equal to the 5th course, as said before [cipher 4]. The 5th course and the strings next to it, and the 4th course, all three (!) must have the same voice as the cipher 4. And the 1st course has to be tuned to the [cipher] + [2nd course 5th fret]. Then the tuning will be correct. One may also play many other dances with this tuning. The Jew's dance: It should be played fast, otherwise it will not sound well. Questions: 1. What are all those 5th course strings he mentions? (Three of them?) 2. Why did H. Neusidler specify tuning for 1st course? Did he use other tunings for 1st course? (Not likely) 3. Has anyone edited his 3 works yet, especially his instructons? (excl.Moenkemeyer and Towne's ft2:s). [btw. whose german instructions did Dowland use? Gerle 1533? Why? Are they that good?] 4. Does anyone recognize this jewish melody from musical or religious tradition? Otherwise, I think it would be very interesting, to make an inventory of the pieces in the collected lute canon there are for 5 course lute (and also 5 course vihuela for that matter - i.e Mudarra?), as they imply works that are from the 15th century or earlier, and therefore especially worthwile of study, as there isn't a lot of lute music from that time. (But perhaps some medieval lute enthusiasts have done this already?) A little anecdote: We have a fine weekly EM radio program here, and this week they bc'd a french vocal work from the late middle ages which sounded almost surrealistic. The music was definitely what you would today call avantgardistic, although still (barely) inside the musical idiom or fold of the times. The text dealt with the word fumé. I always believed fumé came to Europe with the discovery of tobacco after Columbus 1492. So what was this fumé? Tobacco, or something else? The radio DJ:s were musing on this subject and said: The EM community have snubbed the drug theory and seen it more as an allegory or symbolically. Intriguingly B.R. G. On 6/6/05, Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 6, 2005, at 2:59 AM, Denys Stephens wrote: Dear Ed, I'm afraid that transcription misses one of the points of Neusidler's tablature (which Arthur referred to in his mailing) - when notes higher than the fifth fret are indicated the alphabet is started again with a line placed above the cipher to indicate the higher position. These are present in the original, so the tune starts on the 7th fret, not the second. It's easy to miss because the lines placed over the letter look almost like a continuous line below the rhythm flags. Ah yes. Now I see them. Clear as a bell, actually. If I would have really studied kanji while living all this time in Japan, my brain would be attuned to subtle visual differences. So Michael Morrow's transcription is correct. Tricky stuff German tablature.. Perhaps. This would be an excellent piece for starting with though because it just consists of a few notes over and over. cheers, Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Details
Dear Richard et al, I did not send the message below. Nor did I send an attachment, which seems to have been intercepted by Dartmouth College's anti-attachment software. It is worrying. Maybe Wayne can explain what is going on. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Details Here is the file. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Judentanz Neusidler etc.
Hi all, On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, G.R. Crona wrote: surrealistic. The music was definitely what you would today call avantgardistic, although still (barely) inside the musical idiom or fold of the times. The text dealt with the word fumé. I always believed fumé came to Europe with the discovery of tobacco after Columbus 1492. So what was this fumé? Tobacco, or something else? The radio DJ:s were musing on this subject and said: The EM community have snubbed the drug theory and seen it more as an allegory or symbolically. Dear Göran, just check Avignon and at least a couple of Popes at the same time, etc... ;-) I just guess it was opium the gang of composers in Avignon were using? Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
R: Details
This kind of messages with Details subject, Here is the file. body and an attached .pif or .scr or .exe file are known mail worms (Netsky or Bagle, I don't remember exactly, but I've read their description just today). If one opens the attachment the virus installs itself in his mailer program and starts replicating itself sending the same virus message to all the e-mail address it founds in the computer. Often the sender of these messages is faked. So it may be that someone have got the virus and sends out messages using the known addresses as faked senders. I sometimes receive e-mail message on my account that appears to have been sent from my own account and that obviously I never sent. A check of the messages header details shows that they actually never originates from my computer, they just use my addres that is publicly available in many web pages and inside teh computers of people that corresponded with me. SMTP protocol, that we use to send e-mail, was unfortunately developed when the Internet was populated just by a group of scientists and there was no need to implement strict autentication in the mail protocol. It's very easy to send messages disguising himself for another identity. Fortunately the list cuts the attachments so we are protected by these menaces, at least for what attains messages coming from it. Best wishes, Francesco -Messaggio originale- Da: Stewart McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Inviato: martedì 7 giugno 2005 23.42 A: Lute Net Oggetto: Details Dear Richard et al, I did not send the message below. Nor did I send an attachment, which seems to have been intercepted by Dartmouth College's anti-attachment software. It is worrying. Maybe Wayne can explain what is going on. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Details Here is the file. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: string tension for oud
Hi Hermann - A Turkish instrument will have a somewhat smaller mensur than an Arabic instrument, and it will be tuned a step higher: course pitch 1 d' 2 a 3 e 4 b 5 G or A 6 B, C, D or E (d' represents a fifth below A=440) The double courses should be unisons. These are the specifications for Pyramid strings used by Necati Celik, a very fine Turkish player with whom I have had a few lessons: 1 0.55 plain 2 0.65 plain 3 1008 wound 4 1016 wound 5 1021 wound 6 1441 wound They give very good results on a lightly constructed 58.4 cm mensur instrument. -Original Message- From: Hermann Platzer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:41 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: string tension for oud Sorry if this has already been discussed before, but I just got a used turkish 6 course Oud with most strings missing. I want to restring it totally and have no idea how high the tension should be. I suppose it is a bit higher than a lute's string tension (maybe something like 4kg per string?). I am also not sure about which tuning I should use. Any advice would be helpful. Regards Hermann Platzer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: Details
Once you know a little bit about how SMTP works, you can telnet to a mail server and have a mailbox receive mail with To: and From: anyone. One one occasion I demonstrated this to some of my disbelieving co-workers by filling their mailboxes with correspondence between [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Francesco Tribioli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 5:29 PM To: 'Lute Net' Subject: R: Details This kind of messages with Details subject, Here is the file. body and an attached .pif or .scr or .exe file are known mail worms (Netsky or Bagle, I don't remember exactly, but I've read their description just today). If one opens the attachment the virus installs itself in his mailer program and starts replicating itself sending the same virus message to all the e-mail address it founds in the computer. Often the sender of these messages is faked. So it may be that someone have got the virus and sends out messages using the known addresses as faked senders. I sometimes receive e-mail message on my account that appears to have been sent from my own account and that obviously I never sent. A check of the messages header details shows that they actually never originates from my computer, they just use my addres that is publicly available in many web pages and inside teh computers of people that corresponded with me. SMTP protocol, that we use to send e-mail, was unfortunately developed when the Internet was populated just by a group of scientists and there was no need to implement strict autentication in the mail protocol. It's very easy to send messages disguising himself for another identity. Fortunately the list cuts the attachments so we are protected by these menaces, at least for what attains messages coming from it. Best wishes, Francesco -Messaggio originale- Da: Stewart McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Inviato: martedì 7 giugno 2005 23.42 A: Lute Net Oggetto: Details Dear Richard et al, I did not send the message below. Nor did I send an attachment, which seems to have been intercepted by Dartmouth College's anti-attachment software. It is worrying. Maybe Wayne can explain what is going on. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Details Here is the file. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: Judentanz Neusidler etc.
If not that, then certainly some of this very good stuff: http://www.chateauneuf.com/english/ Aside from the excellent quality of the wine, an interesting aspect of this AOC is the bottle itself, which presents the papal crest in relief: http://www.chateauneuf.com/photo/news100.jpg IN VINO VERITAS -Original Message- From: Arto Wikla [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 5:12 PM To: G.R. Crona Cc: lute Subject: Re: Judentanz Neusidler etc. Hi all, On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, G.R. Crona wrote: surrealistic. The music was definitely what you would today call avantgardistic, although still (barely) inside the musical idiom or fold of the times. The text dealt with the word fumé. I always believed fumé came to Europe with the discovery of tobacco after Columbus 1492. So what was this fumé? Tobacco, or something else? The radio DJ:s were musing on this subject and said: The EM community have snubbed the drug theory and seen it more as an allegory or symbolically. Dear Göran, just check Avignon and at least a couple of Popes at the same time, etc... ;-) I just guess it was opium the gang of composers in Avignon were using? Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Blockage of sound by stuff on music stand.
Herb, Where do you come up with these questions? You should submit them to Imponderables. g Suppose you put a large thick book on a music stand, directly in front of the lute. To what extent would this decrease the perceived volume for the audience in an auditorium? My guess is that it wouldn't effect the sound much if the lutenist was more than a foot or so back. Different frequencies are blocked easier than others, so the tone might change fractionally. This could be tested by recording your lute with and without a book in front of it and varying the distance of the lute to the book and the microphone to the book. As Howard noted, the most noticeable effect would likely be visual. I've often pondered about performance situations in the old days. We can see paintings of amateurs with music on tables and also those of what appear to be professionals (less likely to have music in the scene?). Check out http://www.xs4all.nl/~amarin/Page1.html Cheers, -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Miserere my maker
In Lbl Add. MS 15117 there is a song with the same words, but to the tune of Caccini's Amarilli mia bella, with an accompaniment for lyra viol in French lute tablature. Last year I tried to make a workable edition of the lyra viol song, but it is a nightmare to edit. Either you leave it much as it is in Add 15117, warts and all, or you try to reconcile it with Caccini's original. The former leads you to include things which you know were not intended by Caccini, but which may have been tolerated by the scribe of Add 15117, or you re-write the whole shooting match to conform to what Caccini had in mind, even though his intention was not an accompaniment for lyra viol. It's all a bit of a dog's dinner really. That sounds like an interesting project/nightmare. Were you making an edition for lyra viol or for lute? What jumped into my mind is how interesting it would be to see what the lyra viol did with it, i.e. realized the figures. The only other realization I know of is Robert Dowland's which I always ask in my mind 'is this anything like the way Caccini would have done it?'. If it is very different, which I suppose it is, that would make an interesting comparison. One should be able to pretty much play on the lute anything written for the lyra viol, disregarding key for the moment, so that could be a good starting point for a lute accompaniment. cheers, -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
