Hi Berndt, Stuart and All,
good to know there is a modern edition of Ars Subtilior - Chantilly codex.
I'll try to get hold of it, but it probably won't be easy.
Do you by any chance have the full particulars incl. ISDN?
If there is more text than the one Stuart sent, it would be interesting to
read what more Johannes Symonis Hasprois has to say in his Puis que je suis
fumeux. (The piece sounds more like Charlie Parker than something from the
1380's! This is definitely novel-writing and/or movie-making material. I
don't speak french though... Is there possibly any more info about this
composer (and Solage, or possible other fumeurs)? I'd really like to know
more about their movement. Arto hinted at antipapal Avignon. There must be
books about this? What is it with these French...Rabelais, Baudelaire,
a.s.o...a.s.f...
Best Regards
Göran
- Original Message -
From: Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:22 PM
Subject: [OT] : Fumeux
Dear all,
in fact we don't know whether smoking sth. was involved.
Also the editor of the Chantilly* codex in the series Polyphonic Music
in the Fourteenth Century (vols. 18 19, ) (1981) wasn't really sure, as
he wrote in his comment to puis que je suis fumeux that there is
another song connected to fuming in the Ms. (Fumeux fume par fumee).
* Yes! It's the time of the famous Duc de Berry and his Tres Riches
Heures,
also kept in Chantilly.
http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/heures.html
One would have liked to know what Mr. Greene thought that fuming is :-)
What is the difference between fuming and fuming? ;-)
But we know that there was an eccentrical club of writers and
composers in Paris, called Les Fumeux. As it were, they derived
the name from a certain Jean Fumeux - but is this name perhaps
an allusion??
Eugene Deschamps (one of them, as it seems) said in his Charte des
fumeux (1368):
Ilz parlent variablement
Ilz se demainent sotement
..Pour ce que dame Outrecuidance
Maine chascun d'eulx a sa dance
Folie par la main les tient
Orgueil les gouverne et soutient
Et le vest de riches joyaulx
Et Jeunesse, qui est si beaux
Leur prie, amonneste et ennorte
Que chascuns folement se porte.
I find it very fascinating to see, how modern those composers and
writers were, how they wrote manifestos of their new art and how
quickly the ars subtilior style spread over Europe: we can say roughly
that
it developed after Machaut's death in 1377 and lasted only until the first
years of the 15th century. But we find sources from Britain to Cyprus.
And the composers were well aware of the complexity of their new works,
a certain Guido lets a Rondeau start with the blessing:
Dieux gart qui bien le chantera
May God guard him , who sings this well... :-)
There is also a nice parallele to miniature painting: there are virelais
with
onomatopoetical settings of birds' voices and for the first time we find
depiction of
nature in book miniature painting.
I remember how we played a good deal of the Chantilly and Modena mss. on
saxophones. There was a lot of smoking and drinking, but only afterwards,
the
stuff is too complicated :-)
Best wishes
Bernd
(Does somebody really wants the texts? I could type them from the
edition.)
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