[LUTE] Re: Re: V.
Craig, I asked Wayne if he could add the [LUTE] in the Dartmouth software to this list. It makes it much easier to filter the mail (all my other lists use such a prefix). But I suggest that it isn't badly written email software that causes the recurrance of Re's and Fw's, it is the misuse of it by the senders. Often we get multiple mails from a single source - for instance if you reply all to a message sent to the lute list and an individual that is on the lute list he will get two copies - one direct and one from the list. And if there are CCs there it will proliferate. May I gently suggest a procedure. Filter your email lists to special files (and the [LUTE] prefix makes that easy). BTW, if you use Outlook or Outlook Express from M$ the file folders sort alphabetically below the fixed Inbox, Outbox, Sent, Deleted, Drafts folders. I make a folder for each of my email lists that starts with the word About (i.e., About Lute List, About Harp List, etc), that sorts them to the top (except for the Aah so, need to read folder that I move things to from my Inbox if I want to look at them tomorrow). Then the other files that I want to save under specific names are sub folders under a major folder that is prefaced by Archives (i.e., Archives, Music - Archives, Friends - Archives, Princeton). These latter come into the Inbox, but I move the ones I want to save to the Archive. Obviously the naming has to do with the automatic sort by M$ Outlook. I'm glad Wayne has added this prefix (hadn't noticed it until your message). I can now simplify my filtering of lute list messages to About Lute. And for all of you I recommend that you look at the To line and the CC line before sending a message, and the subject line. You can edit each of them and eliminate the redundancies that can proliferate. The old carpenter's rule is measure twice, cut once - the emailing rule should be think twice, send once. Edit the header, you know how to do it. Best, Jon And now having said that I'm going to break the rule as an example. The To line on this message, that I'm replying all is [EMAIL PROTECTED], lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Roman Turovsky. Properly I should delete corun and Roman as they will get a copy through the lutelist, but to make my point I'll let it ride and they each should receive two copies, on through the list and one on direct email. If everyone understands their system we'd have less duplication. jwm - Original Message - From: Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:52 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Re: Re: Re: V. Roman, It is not the added [LUTE] that causes the repeating Re: Re: Fw: Re: RE: AW: Re: to occur, but badly written email software. I've seen this occur on this list before the addition of [LUTE] which use I heartily approve. So asking Wayne to remove [LUTE] will not remove the problem caused by some email software. Welcome to the 21st Century. Craig Wayne, These silly Re: [LUTE] Re: Re: Fw: Re: RE: AW: Re: are devouring them subject lines. Could we please return to the good old ways?? RT ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Werner Icking Music Archive
Dear lutenists and such, just by accident I happened to find my virtual way to the Werner Icking Music Archive pages. And there seems to be HUGE amount of well edited modern editions of music, also lots of early music. And they say: The archive contains free sheet music, free for non-commercial usage. This means that you may download the files and print paper copies, but neither the files nor the paper copies may be sold... Perhaps everyone in the List does not know the place? I think the pages are especially useful to us continuo players, when we are searching something nice to the singers and melody instrument players. Here is only a list of some of the early composers with initial letter A, B or C: A.Agazzari, A.Agricola, A.Ariosti, J.Arcadelt, P.Attaignant, C.P.E.Bach, J.S.Bach, A.Banchieri, G.B.Bassani, H.I.Fr.Biber, G.Böhm, G.Bononcini, W.Brade, D.Buxtehude, W.Byrd, A.deCabezon, D.Castello, D.Cato, G.Cavazzoni, M.Cazzati, P.Certon, M.Charpentier, G.A.Cima, G.P.Cima, A.Corelli, F.Couperin, L.Couperin, ... So, what a treasure! :-) The address is: http://icking-music-archive.org/ All the best Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Werner Icking Music Archive
On Tuesday 23 August 2005 14:18, you wrote: Hi arto, It's indeed a very good link for free music. I know this link already many years and downloaded many pieces. The Schmelzer sonatas are very nice together with baroque violinist and theorbo (although only with a violinist who is able to play these very complicated pieces...). Last year I played with a small ensemble a suite by Rosenmuller, also found on this website (including the parts!). Also the Albinoni sonatas da chiesa are very nice on theorbo or archlute with melody instrument. This website orginated from the opensource musixTex system. The initiator of the archive werner icking worked on this system but died quite young. a few people have adopted the archive and renamed it after him. Taco So, what a treasure! :-) The address is: http://icking-music-archive.org/ All the best Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Werner Icking Music Archive
Hello, Arto and all! Here are some other links that have free editions of early music. The first, the Choral Public Domain Library, is also quite large but is presently undergoing reconstruction. The others are not so large, but many still have very good offerings (though some are specifically for recorder ensemble--my other instrument). http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page http://www.free-sheetmusic.org/vocalscores.html#praetorius http://www.saers.com/recorder/mondrup/ http://www.oldmusicproject.com/madrigals.html http://hansmons.com/sheetmusic/index.html http://www.lysator.liu.se/~tuben/scores/ http://www.kantoreiarchiv.de/ http://www.kantoreiarchiv.de/ http://www.musicaviva.com/fsmd/index.tpl http://www.free-scores.com/frame-uk.php?url=http://anaigeon.free.fr/CATEGORIE=130TITRE=Musique+renaissance http://www.sheetmusicnow.com/titles/D/ http://www.cipoo.net/ http://www.artlevine.com/ Best wishes, Stephen Arndt - Original Message - From: Arto Wikla [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: [LUTE] Werner Icking Music Archive Dear lutenists and such, just by accident I happened to find my virtual way to the Werner Icking Music Archive pages. And there seems to be HUGE amount of well edited modern editions of music, also lots of early music. And they say: The archive contains free sheet music, free for non-commercial usage. This means that you may download the files and print paper copies, but neither the files nor the paper copies may be sold... Perhaps everyone in the List does not know the place? I think the pages are especially useful to us continuo players, when we are searching something nice to the singers and melody instrument players. Here is only a list of some of the early composers with initial letter A, B or C: A.Agazzari, A.Agricola, A.Ariosti, J.Arcadelt, P.Attaignant, C.P.E.Bach, J.S.Bach, A.Banchieri, G.B.Bassani, H.I.Fr.Biber, G.Böhm, G.Bononcini, W.Brade, D.Buxtehude, W.Byrd, A.deCabezon, D.Castello, D.Cato, G.Cavazzoni, M.Cazzati, P.Certon, M.Charpentier, G.A.Cima, G.P.Cima, A.Corelli, F.Couperin, L.Couperin, ... So, what a treasure! :-) The address is: http://icking-music-archive.org/ All the best Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Email Etiquette (was: Re: Re: V.)
Jon, Thanks for the info I already had. Having been a network engineer for the better part of 25 years this is old hat to me. The badly written software I alluded to was that operated by the individual senders as you pointed out, not the email server software Dartmouth is running. I also think I mentioned in my letter to Roman that I also approve of the [LUTE] in the subject header as it does indeed give one an extra datapoint on which to filter email. Sorry if I didn't make that more clear in my post to Roman. As for the Reply All vs. Reply to List only, this is a battle I've been fighting on this list for awhile because so many people simply don't take the time to edit their headers so that they post only to the list. I abhor getting redundant copies of email because of this laziness on the part of some people. I believe a couple years ago Wayne tried to change this but he is not the network tech in charge of the list server, only our particular list owner and does (and wants to do) as little maintenance as possible. Can't blame him a bit as this would certainly take away from his other activities, and I'm grateful for the gift of this list he's given us in whatever form it takes. The other annoyance of email lists it people who don't trim posts they're replying to. A single line in response to a single point in a long email followed by the rest of the email IMO inconsiderate. It's quite easy to select all the remaining unnecessary text and delete it with a single keystroke. Mailboxes fill up even with text and trimming posts is a consideration to everyone. But then too often people online forget the niceties common courtesy, making quite uncommon in the long run. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tastegiata
Dear Arthur, sorry for my delay, I had to work a little... :) I didn't say divisions have no bass. I said weight is on the treble, usually, and the bass can be reduced, depending on how fast or difficult the treble division is. According to the category of patterns of broken chords, I should have to agree that the spezzate delle gagliarde pp. 13 / 17 are divisions because treble notes do not precede bass notes. Or, in terms of chord-thinking, it's always 1-2-3 and never 3-2-1 or 3-1-2. And yes, the spezzate on pp. 26 / 40 / 43 are brise, then, because they include inversed patterns of broken chords. However, I'm still uncertain about that category. I have just now played through the pieces you named, and I cannot say that these spezzate have very much in common with traditional renaissance lute divisions. Perhaps, I'm a little biased on this, but IMHO everything points in the direction of what was popular in France just at the time. BTW, I have difficulties with discovering inversed broken chord patterns in each of the French masters' pieces. Regarding the owner of the book, nothing can be safely deduced from the settings of the pieces (with or without reprise), because - at least the master copy of the S.P.E.S. facsimile - is a print which is addressed at the public. Btw the virtuoso figurations of the spezzate are not so much virtuoso if you slow down a little :) I'm an average lute player, and I still can play them at a reasonable tempo. It is the brise spezzate that are flowing, In brise style the melody is part of the broken chords, and a good player would emphasize it. Yes, and what's more, IMHO a good player would have to make clear not only the treble line but also all other voices that are there. Especially those pieces that you consider style brise include middle voices at several places. All the best, Mathias -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] More Gianconcelli Chilesotti
The Paul's CD I mentioned in response to Ed's message on the tasteggiata and spezzata is Paul O'Dette's CD of the original versions of the Respighi suites (Hyperion CDA66228). Of course a few pieces (8 in fact) are from Chilesotti's Codice Lauten-Buch (NB old fashioned spelling). This reminds me that Paul is one of those who told me that the original manuscript is in a private library in northern Italy, information others confirmed when I was in Milan for the Francesco conference. I also learned that it had most likely been sold to an Italian musicologist after Chilesotti's demise. That information is also given in the notes to Paul's CD. We know the Codice Lauten-Buch is not lost or destroyed because the current owner hired an Italian lutenist to give a private recital in his home. He played directly from the original manuscript, which is so famous it would be easy to spot. The usual story is that it was destroyed when Chilesotti's house burned down. It was, however, the house next-door that went up in a spectacular midnight blaze. The old timers mixed up the houses when asked about Chilesotti years later. And indeed all of Chilesotti's working papers (which would also have been destroyed) come down to us and now have been deposited with the Fondazione Giorgio Cini in Venice, where they may be examined by appointment. The papers include the original handwritten transcriptions Chilesotti made for his edition of the Lauten-Buch. Matanya Ophee persists in perpetuating the story on this list and in his reprint that Tuffolo (Chilesotti's grand nephew) and Bussandri (his grandson) have declared that the original has not survived. I doubt they ever made such a claim. How would they know the fate of a rare and valuable book that was sold nearly a century ago, before either wasborn, and has been in private hands ever since? And I doubt either has any particular interest in lute music, or moves in the Italian lute community. It is a Codice Lauten-Buch. By leaving out the largest word on the title page, Lauten-Buch, Ophee is suppressing the information that the book is German (actually Bavarian, where Italian tablature was in use). Unfortunately the reviewer in the current issue of _The_Lute_ was taken in by this, and mistakenly writes that it is a lost Italian manuscript.sigh In any event, until a facsimile appears, Dick Hoban's tablature edition for Lyre Press will serve most lutenists. It also has updated information (missing in Ophee's book, although he owns Dick's edition) giving the correct titles and composer attributions for many of the anonymous pieces. ajn To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Maintenance--strings
Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have never seen... well, maybe that string wont do anything directly, maybe the weak glue joint wont give right then, maybe the owner wont notice the coincidence... but, any idea of how much damage a startled cat can do? Pay the two dollars. (as the famous saying goes) -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Email Etiquette (was: Re: V.)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [LUTE] in the subject header the software I used to use (and would prefer still to use, but cant now) was quite h appy to filter without this, one simply looked for distinctive from: address in the receiving filter. However, as an experienced programmer and user of grep I will appreciate that knowing this appropriate content will exist does help the proceedure especially with less flexible software than Eudora. As for the Reply All vs. Reply to List only it is a matter of religion, each list will have its own general concensus on this, and often there will be a minority view. Lists with lots of traffic will have readers who dont see all the posts, perhaps depending on subject lines to trigger their interest. SUch readers apreciate having CC: copies. Some lists are echo'd to a news group, and often people reading the news group will miss some postings, or perhaps not be subscribed to the list at all. Such people will also prefer CC's. the rest of us get anoyed by the extra messages. Some of us do the editing, some forget, some have to type with a clock ticking away (I get 1 hour access daily, sometimes more, depending on how busy the library is I choose to use). Yes, even the deletion of 'quoted context' is arguable, I have noticed that those with huge volumes of email (eg tech support monitoring a news group) will use full context quotation to save the time searching archived gigabytes of email. Yes, this is unusual, most of us are no where near that kind of activity, and most of us could be a little more considerate by editing quoted content, reply addresses, and (gasp!) even the subject line. , this is a battle I've been fighting on this list for awhile because so many people simply don't take the time to edit their headers so that they post only to the list. I abhor getting redundant copies of email because of this laziness on the part of some people. I believe a couple years ago Wayne tried to change this but he is not the network tech in charge of the list server, only our particular list owner and does (and wants to do) as little maintenance as possible. Can't blame him a bit as this would certainly take away from his other activities, and I'm grateful for the gift of this list he's given us in whatever form it takes. The other annoyance of email lists it people who don't trim posts they're replying to. A single line in response to a single point in a long email followed by the rest of the email IMO inconsiderate. It's quite easy to select all the remaining unnecessary text and delete it with a single keystroke. Mailboxes fill up even with text and trimming posts is a consideration to everyone. But then too often people online forget the niceties common courtesy, making quite uncommon in the long run. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Dana Emery
[LUTE] Re: Maintenance--strings
Anything is possible, Dana! Of course, incidental things can happen. ed At 11:19 PM 8/23/2005 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have never seen... well, maybe that string wont do anything directly, maybe the weak glue joint wont give right then, maybe the owner wont notice the coincidence... but, any idea of how much damage a startled cat can do? Pay the two dollars. (as the famous saying goes) -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
