[LUTE] Re: Lute book lullaby for SATB
Rainer: I know of at least two pieces that have been called "Lute-Book Lullaby." Both are found in the Willam Ballet Lute Book (Dublin, Trinity College BM, Add. 17786-91). One is for 5 voices or viols. The other has been arranged for 4 voices by Geoffrey Shaw and published as number 30 in "The Oxford Book of Carols" OUP, London, copyright 1928 and 1964. It is reproduced as number 34 in "Carols for Choirs" ed. R Jacques & David Willcocks, OUP, London, copyright 1961. I assume the latter is the one of interest here. Daniel Heiman On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:29:19 +0100 "Spring, aus dem, Rainer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What is "the Lute-book lullaby" ? > > > Best wishes, > > Rainer aus dem Spring > IS department, development > > Tel.:+49 211-5296-355 > Fax.:+49 211-5296-405 > SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Browne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:20 PM > To: Lutelist > Subject: [LUTE] Lute book lullaby for SATB > > does anyone have a Fronimo/Django file of the Lute-book lullaby for > SATB? I would be very grateful for a copy! > thanks > Charles browne > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > CONFIDENTIALITY DISCLAIMER > *** > The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential > and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, > please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems > and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or > use this email for any purpose outside of any NDA currently existing > between Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH and yourselves. > > Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH > Hansaallee 181- 40549 Düsseldorf > Handelsregister Düsseldorf HRB 22487 > Geschäftsführer: Ryoichi Shikama > Amtsgericht Düsseldorf > > > >
[LUTE] Re: Canciones
There are two new editions of the Cancionero de Uppsala: 1. Ed Maricarmen Gomez Muntane: El Cancionero de Uppsala. Edited by Maricarmen Gomez Muntane. 2 vols. Valencia: Biblioteca Valenciana, Generalitat Valenciana (Conselleria de Cultura i Educacio - Direccio General del Llibre, Arxius i Biblioteques), 2003. 2. Ed Eduardo Sohns: Villancicos de diversos Autores. Ed. Eduardo Sohns. 3 vols. Buenos Aires: Eduardo Sohns Libros de Musica, 2002. (http://www.sohns-musica.com.ar/) In the Gomez edition, vol. 1 is a facsimile. The Sohns is cheap, excellent and practical. John Griffiths > Hello All, > > I'm really getting into Spanish lute songs and was wondering if anyone > out there can help me track down some scores. > > I'm wondering whether there an edition of songs from the Cancionero de > Uppsala easily available? And are the songs scored with lute tab and > voice, or is is tab with coloured tab numbers for the vocal line, > or is > it written out parts? All these questions - my ignorance > astonishes me! > > I've got the CD-ROM of the vihuelista publications, so the songs from > there are within reach. But if anyone's got any favourites which I > might have overlooked, recommendations are welcome, especially if you > have taken the time to make performing editions of the songs which are > purely in tablature... > > Can someone educate me? > > Peter > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/ > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain > personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless > specifically stated. > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. > Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in > reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. > Further communication will signify your consent to this. > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: > 2007-10-28 13:58 > > > ~ Professor John Griffiths Faculty of Music =95 The University of Melbourne 3010 =95 Victoria =95 Australia tel (61+3) 8344 8810 =95 fax (61+3) 8344 5346 =95 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ This e-mail and any attachments may contain personal information or information that is otherwise confidential or the subject of copyright. Any use, disclosure or copying of any part of it is prohibited. The University does not warrant that this email or any attachments are free from viruses or defects. Please check any attachments for viruses and defects before opening them. If this e- mail is received in error please delete it and notify us by return e- mail. --
[LUTE] Re: Canciones
Most of these songs you can play the lower parts very easily on the lute just by looking at the score. Some of my faves: Ay luna Sy la noche Di me robadora Con que la lavare Remember that the edition uses the rare double GG clef to show the pitch down an octave. dt To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Theorbo
Hi guys, I did something interesting today, I took the first six string tunings of a Theorbo and tuned my Guitar to it. I recorded a little 59 second intro. Ya'll can check it out here: http://joshuahorn.com/TheorboGuitar.mp3 -- Joshua E. Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Canciones
Peter, Cancionero de Uppsala consists only of written out parts, no lute tablature whatsoever. I have a facsimile edition from Torben Hove Jensen, Valdemarsgade 52, DK 8000 Aarhus, Denmark, I bought that several years ago, but it might still be available Jan Johansson Spanga, Sweden (and musicology student at Uppsala University...) - Original Message - From: "Peter Jones-RR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: [LUTE] Canciones Hello All, I'm really getting into Spanish lute songs and was wondering if anyone out there can help me track down some scores. I'm wondering whether there an edition of songs from the Cancionero de Uppsala easily available? And are the songs scored with lute tab and voice, or is is tab with coloured tab numbers for the vocal line, or is it written out parts? All these questions - my ignorance astonishes me! I've got the CD-ROM of the vihuelista publications, so the songs from there are within reach. But if anyone's got any favourites which I might have overlooked, recommendations are welcome, especially if you have taken the time to make performing editions of the songs which are purely in tablature... Can someone educate me? Peter http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: 2007-10-28 13:58
[LUTE] Re: Lute iconographic project - a proposal
I agree that the goal is getting to the pics--no argument from me on that. But I'd seen no mention of Professor Rasmussen's work in this thread--and it looks to me like it would be a good research foundation from which to expand. In any case, all the best to whoever takes on such a project. jeff - Original Message - From: "Susanne Herre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "jjnoonan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ; "G. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute iconographic project - a proposal > > @ Jeff > > Thanks very much for the hint! But on this website you cannot look at the > pictures itself, that's the most interesting! > > @ G. Crona > > I like very much the idea of the "wikipedia-version"! > > Kind regards, > > Susanne > > - Original Message - > From: "jjnoonan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: ; "G. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Susanne Herre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Lute iconographic project - a proposal > > > > Before you get too far on this, you might want to consult Mary Rasumssen's > > iconography web site which has a section devoted to the lute. > > > > http://www.unh.edu/music/igref.htm > > > > jeff > > - Original Message - > > From: "G. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Cc: "Susanne Herre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:59 AM > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute iconographic project - a proposal > > > > > >> Good idea Susanne! > >> > >> It would be most convenient to have a site where as much as possible of > > the > >> iconography could be found. Well catalogisized and in both tumbnails and > >> bigger versions. A sort of mini Wikipedia like, where we could go in and > > add > >> information if available. I believe Alfonso reads the list, perhaps he > >> has > >> some ideas of how to go about to do this? > >> > >> B.R. > >> G. > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Susanne Herre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 4:25 PM > >> Subject: [LUTE] Lute iconographic project - a proposal > >> > >> > >> > Dear all, > >> > > >> > I liked very much the website of Alfonso Marin about the Lute > > iconography. > >> > Thank you very much for this work! > >> > > >> > Woulnd't it be good if this could get a more official character und > > could > >> > be enlarged by the help of us all (I guess nearly every body has > >> > digital > >> > photographs of lute angels, pictures, instruments in museums a.s.o. > > which > >> > would be interesting for everyone and which we could send to Alfonso > >> > Marin)? > >> > > >> > Then it would be helpful if the pictures could be organized in groups, > >> > e.g. 1) paintings, several periods of time 2) sculptures 3) instruments > > in > >> > museums (different types a.s.o.) > >> > > >> > The information could also be added by everyone. > >> > > >> > I think the medium "Internet" is really good to combine information, to > >> > share with many people. It could be a really good basis for research. > >> > > >> > What do you think about this idea? > >> > > >> > > >> > All the best, > >> > > >> > Susanne > >> > -- > >> > > >> > To get on or off this list see list information at > >> > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
[LUTE] Re: Lute iconographic project - a proposal
@ Jeff Thanks very much for the hint! But on this website you cannot look at the pictures itself, that's the most interesting! @ G. Crona I like very much the idea of the "wikipedia-version"! Kind regards, Susanne - Original Message - From: "jjnoonan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; "G. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Susanne Herre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Lute iconographic project - a proposal Before you get too far on this, you might want to consult Mary Rasumssen's iconography web site which has a section devoted to the lute. http://www.unh.edu/music/igref.htm jeff - Original Message - From: "G. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: "Susanne Herre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute iconographic project - a proposal Good idea Susanne! It would be most convenient to have a site where as much as possible of the iconography could be found. Well catalogisized and in both tumbnails and bigger versions. A sort of mini Wikipedia like, where we could go in and add information if available. I believe Alfonso reads the list, perhaps he has some ideas of how to go about to do this? B.R. G. - Original Message - From: "Susanne Herre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 4:25 PM Subject: [LUTE] Lute iconographic project - a proposal > Dear all, > > I liked very much the website of Alfonso Marin about the Lute iconography. > Thank you very much for this work! > > Woulnd't it be good if this could get a more official character und could > be enlarged by the help of us all (I guess nearly every body has > digital > photographs of lute angels, pictures, instruments in museums a.s.o. which > would be interesting for everyone and which we could send to Alfonso > Marin)? > > Then it would be helpful if the pictures could be organized in groups, > e.g. 1) paintings, several periods of time 2) sculptures 3) instruments in > museums (different types a.s.o.) > > The information could also be added by everyone. > > I think the medium "Internet" is really good to combine information, to > share with many people. It could be a really good basis for research. > > What do you think about this idea? > > > All the best, > > Susanne > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Canciones
Hello All, I'm really getting into Spanish lute songs and was wondering if anyone out there can help me track down some scores. I'm wondering whether there an edition of songs from the Cancionero de Uppsala easily available? And are the songs scored with lute tab and voice, or is is tab with coloured tab numbers for the vocal line, or is it written out parts? All these questions - my ignorance astonishes me! I've got the CD-ROM of the vihuelista publications, so the songs from there are within reach. But if anyone's got any favourites which I might have overlooked, recommendations are welcome, especially if you have taken the time to make performing editions of the songs which are purely in tablature... Can someone educate me? Peter http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: How Common
hey, some times ago i found a lute playing donkey in an antiquarian book: Rabener: Satiren, 1754. IAIAIAIAI see it on my flickr-page: http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ wolfgang Original-Nachricht > Datum: 29 Oct 2007 12:43 GMT > Von: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > An: "Lutelist" > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: How Common > "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > That was not the only lute-donkey relationship on record. Let's not > forget > > this: > > http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimm144.html > > Beautiful, didn't know it. Any idea how come this steady connection > between donkeys and lutes? > -- > Best, > > Mathias > > > > > the memory of what a lute might be, is especially vivid in the town > > > where I live because of a famous tale bearing the town's name in it, > > > that you will possibly know. The town is Bremen, and I'm speaking of > the > > > Bremen Town Musicians (Bremer Stadtmusikanten), i. e. a donkey, a dog, > a > > > cat and a cock. Remember the instrument that the donkey plays? Yepp, > > > correct, that's it. >B) > > > > > > In its established form, the tale was collected by Bros. Grimm, at a > > > time when what are now considered HIP lutes were no more played. > > > Instead, those ineffable, *coughs*, wandervogels were what people had > in > > > minds when they said "lute", because those were widely played. > > > -- > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Mathias > > > > > > "Luca Manassero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > >> Hi Mathias, > > >> > > >> I love this anwer... > > >> > > >> Last year I went to the Fondazione Querini Stampalia in Venice with > my > > >> lute and group of boys asked me what I had in my case with that > strange > > >> shape. I said: "A renaissance lute". After a second I heard one of > that > > >> group whispering to somebody else "must be a wind instrument..." > > >> I often experience that in Italy, especially in the so-called "art > > >> cities" (Città d'arte) you lute pictures in every church, LOTS of > them. > > >> But nobody knwos what a lute is, anymore. In Germany, maybe thanks to > > >> your Wandervoegel, if somedody asks you what you carry in your case > and > > >> you happen to answer "a lute", well, most of the time people knows. > > >> > > >> So sometimes it's better to let a "not so precise" simulation of an > > >> instrument to survive, instead of being correctly purist, but have > 100 > > >> people in the whole country informed the lute... > > >> > > >> Ciao, > > >> > > >> Luca > > >> > > >> > > >> Mathias Rösel on 28-10-2007 14:21 wrote: > > >> > "Joshua E. Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > >> > > > >> >> How common are six string lutes like this one?: > > >> >> > > >> >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > Most members of the HIP community do not consider that instrument a > > >> > lute. I'm notorious enough to dissent, so may I put it short. > > >> > Yes, that kind of lute is widespread outside the HIP comm, e. g. > where > > >> > I > > >> > live (Germany), and it is often heard in public at reenactment > > >> > occasions > > >> > and revival-medieval market places. There are even theorboed types > > >> > (four > > >> > or six extra bass strings), but not as widespread as the 6str type. > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: How Common
hey, some times ago i found a lute playing donkey in an antiquarian book: Rabener: Satiren, 1754. IAIAIAIAI see it on my flickr-page: http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ wolfgang Original-Nachricht > Datum: 29 Oct 2007 12:43 GMT > Von: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > An: "Lutelist" > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: How Common > "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > That was not the only lute-donkey relationship on record. Let's not > forget > > this: > > http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimm144.html > > Beautiful, didn't know it. Any idea how come this steady connection > between donkeys and lutes? > -- > Best, > > Mathias > > > > > the memory of what a lute might be, is especially vivid in the town > > > where I live because of a famous tale bearing the town's name in it, > > > that you will possibly know. The town is Bremen, and I'm speaking of > the > > > Bremen Town Musicians (Bremer Stadtmusikanten), i. e. a donkey, a dog, > a > > > cat and a cock. Remember the instrument that the donkey plays? Yepp, > > > correct, that's it. >B) > > > > > > In its established form, the tale was collected by Bros. Grimm, at a > > > time when what are now considered HIP lutes were no more played. > > > Instead, those ineffable, *coughs*, wandervogels were what people had > in > > > minds when they said "lute", because those were widely played. > > > -- > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Mathias > > > > > > "Luca Manassero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > >> Hi Mathias, > > >> > > >> I love this anwer... > > >> > > >> Last year I went to the Fondazione Querini Stampalia in Venice with > my > > >> lute and group of boys asked me what I had in my case with that > strange > > >> shape. I said: "A renaissance lute". After a second I heard one of > that > > >> group whispering to somebody else "must be a wind instrument..." > > >> I often experience that in Italy, especially in the so-called "art > > >> cities" (Città d'arte) you lute pictures in every church, LOTS of > them. > > >> But nobody knwos what a lute is, anymore. In Germany, maybe thanks to > > >> your Wandervoegel, if somedody asks you what you carry in your case > and > > >> you happen to answer "a lute", well, most of the time people knows. > > >> > > >> So sometimes it's better to let a "not so precise" simulation of an > > >> instrument to survive, instead of being correctly purist, but have > 100 > > >> people in the whole country informed the lute... > > >> > > >> Ciao, > > >> > > >> Luca > > >> > > >> > > >> Mathias Rösel on 28-10-2007 14:21 wrote: > > >> > "Joshua E. Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > >> > > > >> >> How common are six string lutes like this one?: > > >> >> > > >> >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > Most members of the HIP community do not consider that instrument a > > >> > lute. I'm notorious enough to dissent, so may I put it short. > > >> > Yes, that kind of lute is widespread outside the HIP comm, e. g. > where > > >> > I > > >> > live (Germany), and it is often heard in public at reenactment > > >> > occasions > > >> > and revival-medieval market places. There are even theorboed types > > >> > (four > > >> > or six extra bass strings), but not as widespread as the 6str type. > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute book lullaby for SATB
What is "the Lute-book lullaby" ? Best wishes, Rainer aus dem Spring IS department, development Tel.: +49 211-5296-355 Fax.: +49 211-5296-405 SMTP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Charles Browne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:20 PM To: Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Lute book lullaby for SATB does anyone have a Fronimo/Django file of the Lute-book lullaby for SATB? I would be very grateful for a copy! thanks Charles browne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html CONFIDENTIALITY DISCLAIMER *** The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose outside of any NDA currently existing between Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH and yourselves. Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH Hansaallee 181- 40549 Düsseldorf Handelsregister Düsseldorf HRB 22487 Geschäftsführer: Ryoichi Shikama Amtsgericht Düsseldorf
[LUTE] Re: Lute iconographic project - a proposal
Before you get too far on this, you might want to consult Mary Rasumssen's iconography web site which has a section devoted to the lute. http://www.unh.edu/music/igref.htm jeff - Original Message - From: "G. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: "Susanne Herre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute iconographic project - a proposal > Good idea Susanne! > > It would be most convenient to have a site where as much as possible of the > iconography could be found. Well catalogisized and in both tumbnails and > bigger versions. A sort of mini Wikipedia like, where we could go in and add > information if available. I believe Alfonso reads the list, perhaps he has > some ideas of how to go about to do this? > > B.R. > G. > > - Original Message - > From: "Susanne Herre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 4:25 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Lute iconographic project - a proposal > > > > Dear all, > > > > I liked very much the website of Alfonso Marin about the Lute iconography. > > Thank you very much for this work! > > > > Woulnd't it be good if this could get a more official character und could > > be enlarged by the help of us all (I guess nearly every body has digital > > photographs of lute angels, pictures, instruments in museums a.s.o. which > > would be interesting for everyone and which we could send to Alfonso > > Marin)? > > > > Then it would be helpful if the pictures could be organized in groups, > > e.g. 1) paintings, several periods of time 2) sculptures 3) instruments in > > museums (different types a.s.o.) > > > > The information could also be added by everyone. > > > > I think the medium "Internet" is really good to combine information, to > > share with many people. It could be a really good basis for research. > > > > What do you think about this idea? > > > > > > All the best, > > > > Susanne > > -- > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > >
[LUTE] Re: Lute iconographic project - a proposal
Good idea Susanne! It would be most convenient to have a site where as much as possible of the iconography could be found. Well catalogisized and in both tumbnails and bigger versions. A sort of mini Wikipedia like, where we could go in and add information if available. I believe Alfonso reads the list, perhaps he has some ideas of how to go about to do this? B.R. G. - Original Message - From: "Susanne Herre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 4:25 PM Subject: [LUTE] Lute iconographic project - a proposal Dear all, I liked very much the website of Alfonso Marin about the Lute iconography. Thank you very much for this work! Woulnd't it be good if this could get a more official character und could be enlarged by the help of us all (I guess nearly every body has digital photographs of lute angels, pictures, instruments in museums a.s.o. which would be interesting for everyone and which we could send to Alfonso Marin)? Then it would be helpful if the pictures could be organized in groups, e.g. 1) paintings, several periods of time 2) sculptures 3) instruments in museums (different types a.s.o.) The information could also be added by everyone. I think the medium "Internet" is really good to combine information, to share with many people. It could be a really good basis for research. What do you think about this idea? All the best, Susanne -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: How Common
Well, the lute is the symbol of domestic happiness in the renaissance/baroque symbolism, and the donkey could possibly signify virility. RT "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: That was not the only lute-donkey relationship on record. Let's not forget this: http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimm144.html Beautiful, didn't know it. Any idea how come this steady connection between donkeys and lutes? -- Best, Mathias > the memory of what a lute might be, is especially vivid in the town > where I live because of a famous tale bearing the town's name in it, > that you will possibly know. The town is Bremen, and I'm speaking of the > Bremen Town Musicians (Bremer Stadtmusikanten), i. e. a donkey, a dog, a > cat and a cock. Remember the instrument that the donkey plays? Yepp, > correct, that's it. >B) > > In its established form, the tale was collected by Bros. Grimm, at a > time when what are now considered HIP lutes were no more played. > Instead, those ineffable, *coughs*, wandervogels were what people had in > minds when they said "lute", because those were widely played. > -- > Best wishes, > > Mathias > > "Luca Manassero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> Hi Mathias, >> >> I love this anwer... >> >> Last year I went to the Fondazione Querini Stampalia in Venice with my >> lute and group of boys asked me what I had in my case with that >> strange >> shape. I said: "A renaissance lute". After a second I heard one of that >> group whispering to somebody else "must be a wind instrument..." >> I often experience that in Italy, especially in the so-called "art >> cities" (Città d'arte) you lute pictures in every church, LOTS of them. >> But nobody knwos what a lute is, anymore. In Germany, maybe thanks to >> your Wandervoegel, if somedody asks you what you carry in your case and >> you happen to answer "a lute", well, most of the time people knows. >> >> So sometimes it's better to let a "not so precise" simulation of an >> instrument to survive, instead of being correctly purist, but have 100 >> people in the whole country informed the lute... >> >> Ciao, >> >> Luca >> >> >> Mathias Rösel on 28-10-2007 14:21 wrote: >> > "Joshua E. Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> > >> >> How common are six string lutes like this one?: >> >> >> >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg >> >> >> > >> > Most members of the HIP community do not consider that instrument a >> > lute. I'm notorious enough to dissent, so may I put it short. >> > Yes, that kind of lute is widespread outside the HIP comm, e. g. >> > where >> > I >> > live (Germany), and it is often heard in public at reenactment >> > occasions >> > and revival-medieval market places. There are even theorboed types >> > (four >> > or six extra bass strings), but not as widespread as the 6str type. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: How Common
"Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > That was not the only lute-donkey relationship on record. Let's not forget > this: > http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimm144.html Beautiful, didn't know it. Any idea how come this steady connection between donkeys and lutes? -- Best, Mathias > > the memory of what a lute might be, is especially vivid in the town > > where I live because of a famous tale bearing the town's name in it, > > that you will possibly know. The town is Bremen, and I'm speaking of the > > Bremen Town Musicians (Bremer Stadtmusikanten), i. e. a donkey, a dog, a > > cat and a cock. Remember the instrument that the donkey plays? Yepp, > > correct, that's it. >B) > > > > In its established form, the tale was collected by Bros. Grimm, at a > > time when what are now considered HIP lutes were no more played. > > Instead, those ineffable, *coughs*, wandervogels were what people had in > > minds when they said "lute", because those were widely played. > > -- > > Best wishes, > > > > Mathias > > > > "Luca Manassero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > >> Hi Mathias, > >> > >> I love this anwer... > >> > >> Last year I went to the Fondazione Querini Stampalia in Venice with my > >> lute and group of boys asked me what I had in my case with that strange > >> shape. I said: "A renaissance lute". After a second I heard one of that > >> group whispering to somebody else "must be a wind instrument..." > >> I often experience that in Italy, especially in the so-called "art > >> cities" (Città d'arte) you lute pictures in every church, LOTS of them. > >> But nobody knwos what a lute is, anymore. In Germany, maybe thanks to > >> your Wandervoegel, if somedody asks you what you carry in your case and > >> you happen to answer "a lute", well, most of the time people knows. > >> > >> So sometimes it's better to let a "not so precise" simulation of an > >> instrument to survive, instead of being correctly purist, but have 100 > >> people in the whole country informed the lute... > >> > >> Ciao, > >> > >> Luca > >> > >> > >> Mathias Rösel on 28-10-2007 14:21 wrote: > >> > "Joshua E. Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > >> > > >> >> How common are six string lutes like this one?: > >> >> > >> >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg > >> >> > >> > > >> > Most members of the HIP community do not consider that instrument a > >> > lute. I'm notorious enough to dissent, so may I put it short. > >> > Yes, that kind of lute is widespread outside the HIP comm, e. g. where > >> > I > >> > live (Germany), and it is often heard in public at reenactment > >> > occasions > >> > and revival-medieval market places. There are even theorboed types > >> > (four > >> > or six extra bass strings), but not as widespread as the 6str type. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
