[LUTE] Re: PofM archive
I'm a tab user, and I like archiving my collection as tab files. But I'll take what I can get, so it's entirely up to you, and thank you very much for sharing!! Leonard Williams /[ ] / \ | * | \_=_/ On 2/14/08 6:15 AM, "Martin Shepherd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All, > > I've just been creating PDF versions of all the files in the "Piece of > the Month" archive (they're not online yet) but it occurs to me that > there's really no need to supply Fronimo and Tab files as well. The > only advantage is that you can tweak the format to exactly how you like > it - but that seems a high price to pay in terms of space. > > So how about just a PDF for each piece, plus MP3 if/when I get around to > recording it? > > Best wishes, > > Martin > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Songs by Women Composers
I stand corrected, it's true. The booklet tells of the poetesses, Mary Wroth et al, and I hadn't noticed that they aren't the composers as well. Sorry, that was my fault. The music and the recording, however, are beautiful, to say the least. Mathias "Monica Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Unfortunately none of the songs on the CD are by women composers although > they deal with women's lot in life (not a happy one). > > There is however Antonia Bembo from the end of the 17th century - a pupil > of Cavalli who ended up in Paris.. One or two pieces - voice and bass line > are included in Clare Fontijn's book about her - "Desperate measures". > > I'm not sure if any of the music has been published in separate editions. > > Monica > > > - Original Message - > From: ""Mathias Rösel"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Lutelist" > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:15 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Songs by Women Composers > > > > Was the newly released CD, "Sister Awake!" by Chris Goodwin et al, > > already mentioned? It can rightly be called a gender specific recording, > > exclusively containing music by women composers. > > > > Mathias > > > > > > "Jelma van Amersfoort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > >> Dear Peter > >> > >> I don't know if you play the guitar as well, but there is a huge > >> amount of repertoire from the early 19th century for voice and guitar > >> by female composers. > >> > >> I am doing a programme of those songs on an original 19th century > >> guitar. Let me know if you want to now more. > >> > >> Best wishes, Jelma van Amersfoort, Amsterdam > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >> On 2/14/08, LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > Dear Peter > >> > > >> > For older repertoire you should check out: > >> > Songs of the Women Trouvères > >> > Yale University Press 2001 > >> > > >> > Lovely reprtoire, nice edition with good introduction. Your friend will > >> > love > >> > it (probably knows all about it already). > >> > > >> > David > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > David van Ooijen > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > www.davidvanooijen.nl > >> > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music
Hi Anthony, Yes, this is what I was getting at. There is this general tendency in many stringed instruments to search for the =8Cbreaking point' of the highest string and go from there, even design wise (as in harpsichord building.) I think this idea crosses countries, periods and many different solo stringed instruments, but that is just my personal view. It is very hard and well neigh impossible for me (please correct me if I am wrong) to find the opposite discussed or written: tuning the overall pitch of an instrument's strings down, much lower than the breaking point of the highest treble string. I simply cannot imagine anyone tuning a stringed instrument a semitone or whole tone below a comfortable breaking point just for the heck of it. To take a relatively short short string length of 68cm and 11 courses and tune it very low just because of the pitch of Hotteterre flutes seems counterintuitive to me, especially with gut Sorry for the ranting! Theo From: Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:16:37 +0100 To: Rob MacKillop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music Earlier sources do exist, but they are not French. Do we consider Mace as sufficiently French influenced to count as French? Unfortunately I can't get into this article to see exactly what is said. "THOMAS MACE, he tells you that" When you begin to Tune, raise your treble or. smallest string as high as conveniently it will bear without. breaking," in other words, ... jrma.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/35/1/87.pdf " I notice that French music seems to be leaving the extremes (raising the bass and lowering the top) and focussing more on the mid, so perhaps the principle we hear "tuning the tops string to breaking point " relating to Dowland is no longer applicable here, in French Baroque music. Anthony Le 14 fevr. 08 =E0 12:57, Rob MacKillop a ecrit : On 14/02/2008, T. Diehl-Peshkur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> For most string instruments, the usual method was to tune the >> highest note >> as high as comfortable, and go from there.<<< > > > > I haven't found a 17th or 18th-century French source for that. Have > you? > Without a quotation to back you up, there is little strength to your > arguement. First of all you say 'MOST string instruments', and then > 'USUAL > method'. What evidence do you have? I don't want to seem as though > I am > attacking you over this, as I'm not. My view is that there is so > little > exacting evidence, that any stance is hard to justify. I also agree > with > David's points. When it comes to solo playing, let your instrument > teach you > what IT wants. If that be 394 or 417, then so be it. > > Rob > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music
Hi Ed, --- Edward Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am uncertain if the strings back in the period > were better than ours > today. That is unproven, and as we have no strings > of which to compare, we > really cannot assume they were better than what is > available today. > But I think we can assume... At the risk of disagreeing with you and sounding a bit like Donald Rumsfeld, we KNOW that there is a lot we do NOT KNOW when it comes to the ancient strings and how exactly they were made. Back in the day, so much of the process of making a type of string was specific to a region and held as a closely kept secret by the guilds. That's why there are Minikins, ("Munich's"?) Romans, Lyons, Venice-catlins, etc. - each highly regarded as centers specializing in a single type of string, i.e. trebles, meanes, basses, etc. I can provide no hard evidence, but it's probably a safe bet that the cities with a reputation for making the best trebles knew more about the qualities of this type of string; more than we do now. Does this mean that they were able to make more robust, longer lasting strings? Again, there's no proof, but increasing the life of a treble string would undoubtedly have been one of the areas of prime concern. (Indeed, Mace in 1676 implies that trebles were stronger than the basses!) Think about it: If all you ever did as an ancient string maker was concentrate on treble strings, this would give you plenty of time to try many solutions. And since the master/apprentice system was in use, this would provide the chance to implement improvements over _generations_ within an entire workshop of subordinates, each with his own expertise and knowledge. And, if your reputation relied on making the best possible treble strings, naturally you wouldn't want anyone else knowing your secret formula. If this applies to your contemporaries it will apply even more to folks hundreds of years in the future (i.e. us). Today, we put an awful lot of (often misplaced) faith in our abilities to research and use the scientific method to solve problems from the past. There's the unspoken conviction that, with our superior technology and cognative skills, we will naturally uncover all of the secrets of the "primitives." (If WE can't make gut trebles better right now, there's _no_way_ the ancients could outdo us!) And, being modern consumers, we expect to be provided a "one stop" string maker who's trebles, meanes, and basses are all equally good. Is it really realistic for us to expect a modern gut string maker to be able to discover and master all of the intricasies of making each type of string that all of the combined workshops of Europe, working with generations of accumulated technical knowledge specific to a type of string, each operating in multiple locales did? Considering the comparitively short time that serious research has been ongoing into ancient string-making, the answer is obvious. My heart is with today's string makers. Keep working on it; progress is being made. I include modern gut in my plethora of stringings. And Ed, I applaud your and others' efforts with using gut strings. You've gotten some very beautiful results with it. However, it is a dangerous game for us as players to be basing important musical considerations solely around our very limited assumptions of those strings today. > I was recently in South Dakota, examining 2 > Edlingers. One has a string > length of 76 cm, the other one 81 or 82 cm. These > are 13 course baroque > lutes, not theorbos. They certainly could not be > string with a gut treble > up to "f" at 415. > No, what you meant to say is that we can not string it up to "f" at 415 (or 423 or 445) with one of our guts today. ;-) Chris > ed > > At 11:43 AM 2/14/2008 +0100, T. Diehl-Peshkur wrote: > >Thanks everyone for the responses so far! > >The info on wind instruments and the prevalence of > +/- 392Hz etc. is > >clearbut I am just not convinced yet... > >For most string instruments, the usual method was > to tune the highest note > >as high as comfortable, and go from there. > >Especially when used for solo work of course. > >We hear many stories about how wonderful the old > strings must have been, > >etc. so I can only suppose that their gut trebles > >didn't break as easily (perhaps) as ours do. I can > now use gut f' at 415Hz > >and 68cm for about 2 weeks before it breaks. > > > >If their strings were so much better, than likely > this would be a longer > >period.Or, it could mean that they were using a > higher pitch > >to begin with, since their strings were so much > better? I think everyone > >using full gut would agree that the basses just > need the extra > >pitch raising to 400 or 415 to sound really > optimal. One must always trade > >off the sound of the chanterelle and the bass notes > in my personal opnion.. > > > >Sure, my lute sounds great at 392 in full gut; but > in trying to find > >out/experiment/fant
[LUTE] Re: Songs by Women Composers
I forgot to say: 1 - Songs of Sundrie Kindes by _Phyllis Tate_ (1911-1987). On 2/14/08, Jelma van Amersfoort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just thought of two other pieces: > > 1 - Songs of Sundrie Kindes, tenor and lute, 12', originally from > Oxford University Press but now on sale from Allegro Music > (www.allegro.co.uk). I rather like the music by Tate that I've played > so far. Tenor should translate easily to mezzo-soprano. > > 2 - There is a lute piece by Dutch female composer Tera de Marez Oyens > (1932-1996), maybe with voice as well? I can't remember the name. It > is published by the Dutch Luitvereniging, whose website appears to be > offline :-( Maybe David van Oijen has seen this piece and knows if it > is playable and attractive. > > Best wishes, Jelma van Amersfoort > > > > > On 2/14/08, Peter Jones-RR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Collected Wisdom, > > > > I've been working on some lutesongs with an amateur singer who by > > day-job is a musicologist in the London University with a specialism in > > gender and music. > > > > We've been having lots of fun playing the core lutesong repertoire, but > > she would like to put together a set of songs by female composers. > > > > We talked about Barbara Strozzi and Francesca Caccini - does anyone have > > any other suggestions? > > > > Also, if anyone has prepared any editions of songs by women, I'd be > > really grateful if you could send them on! > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Peter > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/ > > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal > > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. > > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. > > Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance > > on it and notify the sender immediately. > > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. > > Further communication will signify your consent to this. > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
[LUTE] Re: Songs by Women Composers
I just thought of two other pieces: 1 - Songs of Sundrie Kindes, tenor and lute, 12', originally from Oxford University Press but now on sale from Allegro Music (www.allegro.co.uk). I rather like the music by Tate that I've played so far. Tenor should translate easily to mezzo-soprano. 2 - There is a lute piece by Dutch female composer Tera de Marez Oyens (1932-1996), maybe with voice as well? I can't remember the name. It is published by the Dutch Luitvereniging, whose website appears to be offline :-( Maybe David van Oijen has seen this piece and knows if it is playable and attractive. Best wishes, Jelma van Amersfoort On 2/14/08, Peter Jones-RR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Collected Wisdom, > > I've been working on some lutesongs with an amateur singer who by > day-job is a musicologist in the London University with a specialism in > gender and music. > > We've been having lots of fun playing the core lutesong repertoire, but > she would like to put together a set of songs by female composers. > > We talked about Barbara Strozzi and Francesca Caccini - does anyone have > any other suggestions? > > Also, if anyone has prepared any editions of songs by women, I'd be > really grateful if you could send them on! > > Best wishes, > > Peter > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/ > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. > Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance > on it and notify the sender immediately. > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. > Further communication will signify your consent to this. > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music
Earlier sources do exist, but they are not French. Do we consider Mace as sufficiently French influenced to count as French? Unfortunately I can't get into this article to see exactly what is said. "THOMAS MACE, he tells you that" When you begin to Tune, raise your treble or. smallest string as high as conveniently it will bear without. breaking," in other words, ... jrma.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/35/1/87.pdf " I notice that French music seems to be leaving the extremes (raising the bass and lowering the top) and focussing more on the mid, so perhaps the principle we hear "tuning the tops string to breaking point " relating to Dowland is no longer applicable here, in French Baroque music. Anthony Le 14 févr. 08 à 12:57, Rob MacKillop a écrit : On 14/02/2008, T. Diehl-Peshkur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For most string instruments, the usual method was to tune the highest note as high as comfortable, and go from there.<<< I haven't found a 17th or 18th-century French source for that. Have you? Without a quotation to back you up, there is little strength to your arguement. First of all you say 'MOST string instruments', and then 'USUAL method'. What evidence do you have? I don't want to seem as though I am attacking you over this, as I'm not. My view is that there is so little exacting evidence, that any stance is hard to justify. I also agree with David's points. When it comes to solo playing, let your instrument teach you what IT wants. If that be 394 or 417, then so be it. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Songs by Women Composers
On Feb 14, 2008, at 1:15 AM, Peter Jones-RR wrote: > We talked about Barbara Strozzi and Francesca Caccini - does anyone > have > any other suggestions? If you want to expand to solo motets, there's Isabella Leonarda (1620-1704). I suppose your partner is familiar with Barbara Garvey Jackson's extended bibliography, "Say Can You Deny Me": A Guide to Surviving Music by Women from the 16th through the 18th Centuries." I bring it up only because I love the title, with its ominous overtones. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute music online
Hello Friends, Just want to let you know that all of the Dorian Recordings / Sono Luminus recordings are available from your favorite digital sites...Just visit iTunes, Rhapsody etc. to download your favorite piece or entire CD from our catalog! Suzanne Konefal Director of Marketing and Business Development Dorian Recordings / Sono Luminus 540-592-3677 www.dorian.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Songs by Women Composers
Unfortunately none of the songs on the CD are by women composers although they deal with women's lot in life (not a happy one). There is however Antonia Bembo from the end of the 17th century - a pupil of Cavalli who ended up in Paris.. One or two pieces - voice and bass line are included in Clare Fontijn's book about her - "Desperate measures". I'm not sure if any of the music has been published in separate editions. Monica - Original Message - From: ""Mathias Rösel"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:15 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Songs by Women Composers Was the newly released CD, "Sister Awake!" by Chris Goodwin et al, already mentioned? It can rightly be called a gender specific recording, exclusively containing music by women composers. Mathias "Jelma van Amersfoort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: Dear Peter I don't know if you play the guitar as well, but there is a huge amount of repertoire from the early 19th century for voice and guitar by female composers. I am doing a programme of those songs on an original 19th century guitar. Let me know if you want to now more. Best wishes, Jelma van Amersfoort, Amsterdam [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2/14/08, LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Peter > > For older repertoire you should check out: > Songs of the Women Trouvères > Yale University Press 2001 > > Lovely reprtoire, nice edition with good introduction. Your friend will > love > it (probably knows all about it already). > > David > > > > David van Ooijen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.davidvanooijen.nl > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Actus Tragicus
I have been asked to play theorbo accompaniment in Bach's Actus Tragicus cantata. The performance will be in F rather than Eb (for the recorders). Does anybody have a score of the work in F with the figured bass? Thanks Nigel To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Songs by Women Composers
This may be useful. I think it also includes msuci for lute: MacAuslan, Janna Guitar music by women composers :an annotated catalog /compiled by Janna MacAuslan and Kristan Aspen. Westport, Conn. : Greenwood Press, 1997. =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= * Free Download of the Week from Classical Music Library: *Strauss' _ Don Juan, Op. 20_ Performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra; Sir Charles Mackerras, conductor. Go to my web page and click on Alexander Street Press link: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ For some free scores, go to: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ === - Original Message - From: "Peter Jones-RR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:15 AM Subject: [LUTE] Songs by Women Composers Dear Collected Wisdom, I've been working on some lutesongs with an amateur singer who by day-job is a musicologist in the London University with a specialism in gender and music. We've been having lots of fun playing the core lutesong repertoire, but she would like to put together a set of songs by female composers. We talked about Barbara Strozzi and Francesca Caccini - does anyone have any other suggestions? Also, if anyone has prepared any editions of songs by women, I'd be really grateful if you could send them on! Best wishes, Peter http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: PofM archive
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Martin Shepherd wrote: > Dear All, > > I've just been creating PDF versions of all the files in the "Piece of the > Month" archive (they're not online yet) but it occurs to me that there's > really no need to supply Fronimo and Tab files as well. The only advantage > is that you can tweak the format to exactly how you like it - but that seems > a high price to pay in terms of space. My rough estimate is that pdf and mp3 files are about ten times as big as the tab files from which they have been generated; I don't know about Fronimo. In other words, peanut In terms of space. Peter. > > So how about just a PDF for each piece, plus MP3 if/when I get around to > recording it? > > Best wishes, > > Martin the next auto-quote is: We have one party -- we have the party of essentially corporate America. It has two right wings, one called Democratic, one called Republican. (Gore Vidal) /\/\ Peter Nightingale Telephone (401) 874-5882 Department of Physics, East Hall Fax (401) 874-2380 University of Rhode Island Kingston, RI 02881 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Songs by Women Composers
Was the newly released CD, "Sister Awake!" by Chris Goodwin et al, already mentioned? It can rightly be called a gender specific recording, exclusively containing music by women composers. Mathias "Jelma van Amersfoort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Dear Peter > > I don't know if you play the guitar as well, but there is a huge > amount of repertoire from the early 19th century for voice and guitar > by female composers. > > I am doing a programme of those songs on an original 19th century > guitar. Let me know if you want to now more. > > Best wishes, Jelma van Amersfoort, Amsterdam > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On 2/14/08, LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Peter > > > > For older repertoire you should check out: > > Songs of the Women Trouvères > > Yale University Press 2001 > > > > Lovely reprtoire, nice edition with good introduction. Your friend will love > > it (probably knows all about it already). > > > > David > > > > > > > > David van Ooijen > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.davidvanooijen.nl > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: PofM archive
Martin, A Fronimo file doesn't take up much space at all. I think it is up to you, of course, but a Fronimo file would be handy, especially for those who like to change from Italian to French tab, or reorganise the page turns to suit themselves. That said, I am very inconsistent on my own site, sometimes forgetting to upload the Fronimo file. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: PofM archive
Dear Martin, I think it would be a good thing to supply a Fronimo file too, at least I DO appreciate that, because it gives a possibility to organize the pages as I want, page turns etc... Which cannot be done in pdf. But I understand your concern quite well and will not complain if you make up your mind for pdf only ;-). All the best, Jean-Marie === 14-02-2008 12:15:36 === >Dear All, > >I've just been creating PDF versions of all the files in the "Piece of >the Month" archive (they're not online yet) but it occurs to me that >there's really no need to supply Fronimo and Tab files as well. The >only advantage is that you can tweak the format to exactly how you like >it - but that seems a high price to pay in terms of space. > >So how about just a PDF for each piece, plus MP3 if/when I get around to >recording it? > >Best wishes, > >Martin > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >--- >Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. >Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 14-02-2008
[LUTE] Re: Songs by Women Composers
Dear Peter I don't know if you play the guitar as well, but there is a huge amount of repertoire from the early 19th century for voice and guitar by female composers. I am doing a programme of those songs on an original 19th century guitar. Let me know if you want to now more. Best wishes, Jelma van Amersfoort, Amsterdam [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2/14/08, LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Peter > > For older repertoire you should check out: > Songs of the Women Trouvères > Yale University Press 2001 > > Lovely reprtoire, nice edition with good introduction. Your friend will love > it (probably knows all about it already). > > David > > > > David van Ooijen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.davidvanooijen.nl > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Songs by Women Composers
Dear Collected Wisdom, I've been working on some lutesongs with an amateur singer who by day-job is a musicologist in the London University with a specialism in gender and music. We've been having lots of fun playing the core lutesong repertoire, but she would like to put together a set of songs by female composers. We talked about Barbara Strozzi and Francesca Caccini - does anyone have any other suggestions? Also, if anyone has prepared any editions of songs by women, I'd be really grateful if you could send them on! Best wishes, Peter http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html