[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Amateur recordings
Thank you, Matthias, for that recording and the opportunity to ask a question I have been wanting to ask for a long time. In French baroque music are two successive 1/8 notes always played like a dotted 1/8 note and a 1/16 note, or perhaps as the 1/4 note and an 1/8 note of a triplet? If so, why is a dotted eighth note followed by a 1/16 note sometimes written? Matthias' interpretation is the way I originally tried the Allemande but then decided against it, in part because I found it a little easier to play with straight 1/8 notes and in part because the very first measure has a dotted 1/8 note followed by a 1/16 note, and I assumed that two successive 1/8 notes were not to be played the same way. I have to admit that Matthias' interpretation sounds much better to me and much more French, whereas playing straight 1/8 notes sounds more German to me (though perhaps I am just imagining things). I would appreciate any light anyone can throw on the subject. For those of us who don't have (and who have never had) teachers, this is a great way to learn. My thanks again to Matthias for taking the time to teach me something. I am only too happy to learn. Best wishes, Stephen Arndt - Original Message - From: Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque Lutelist baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:06 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Amateur recordings After a short discussion with Stephen Arndt and with his consent, here's a video of the allemande and following courante by Dubut (Barbe ms. p. 192f): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxTn0CyQP0E Sound quality is terrible, I know, but rhythm and ornaments will, or so I hope, distinctly come through. Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: unbelievable music resource
and http://www.lysator.liu.se/~tuben/scores/ and stanford... dt At 12:15 PM 3/1/2008, you wrote: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:18 PM Subject: Fw: Archives There are quite a few places like the Icking Archive. And more and more libraries are providing music for download on line, e.g., the University of Rochestrer's Sibley Music Library. http://hdl.handle.net/ The famous Werner Icking Archive (mentioned already) http://icking-music-archive.org/ International Music Score Library (now closed due to copyright suit!!! Read the announcement on web page) http://imslp.on-wiki.net/ Medieval Facsimiles from NL http://www.mmdc.nl/static/site/ Choral Public Domain Library http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page This is just sheet music from the 19th century, so OT for us. But it has 62,500 pieces!!! http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/mussmhtml/mussmhome.html Meekly submitted, Arthur Ness. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chyrsander Edition of Handel now Online
Thanks for this link - what a great resource. A lute-related question arising. In the Ode on St Cecilia's Day, there's a part for Liuto solo (together with flute). Would this be played as written (i.e. single notes); as a continuo bass line (with chords above); or a mixture of both? http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/~db/0001/bsb00016761/images/index.html?id=00016761fip=62.35.241.156no`seite=51 P On 01/03/2008, Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.muenchener-digitalisierungszentrum.de/index?c=kurzauswahlurl=http://mdz1.bib-bvb.de/~db/ausgaben/uni_ausgabe.html?projekt=1193214396 Most volumes are available. Lots of other nice things available on that site, too. (Mostly 19th Century). -- =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= * Free Download of the Week from Classical Music Library: For this week's free download from Classical Music Library go to my web page and click on Alexander Street Press link: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ *Vaughan Williams'_ Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis___* performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra; Christopher Seaman, conductor. More information about this piece is available on our music blog http://alexanderstreet.typepad.com/music. For some free scores, go to: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ === =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= * Free Download of the Week from Classical Music Library: For this week's free download from Classical Music Library go to my web page and click on Alexander Street Press link: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ *Vaughan Williams'_ Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis___* performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra; Christopher Seaman, conductor. More information about this piece is available on our music blog http://alexanderstreet.typepad.com/music. For some free scores, go to: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ === To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Peter Martin Belle Serre La Caulie 81100 Castres France tel: 0033 5 63 35 68 46 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.silvius.co.uk http://absolute81.blogspot.com/ www.myspace.com/sambuca999 www.myspace.com/chuckerbutty --
[LUTE] Nigel North's Continuo book on Google Books
And here it is: *http://tinyurl.com/2pq53a* ** *By the way, this tiny url thing is really useful and easy to use. Visit tinyurl.com* ** *Rob MacKillop* -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chyrsander Edition of Handel now Online
Peter Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Thanks for this link - what a great resource. A lute-related question arising. In the Ode on St Cecilia's Day, there's a part for Liuto solo (together with flute). Would this be played as written (i.e. single notes); as a continuo bass line (with chords above); or a mixture of both? http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/~db/0001/bsb00016761/images/index.html?id=00016761fip=62.35.241.156no`seite=51 Here's a stupid user's opinion: I'd clearly play continuo, not single notes. And I'd self-evidently play down an octave. Only if the conductor demands the notes as written, I'd play tasto solo. -- Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Nigel North's Continuo book on Google Books
What does TANSTAAFL mean? Rob On 02/03/2008, G. Crona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wish! It's only a small teaser. Remember TANSTAAFL (except David's tasting meetings of course ;) G. - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: [LUTE] Nigel North's Continuo book on Google Books And here it is: *http://tinyurl.com/2pq53a* ** *By the way, this tiny url thing is really useful and easy to use. Visit tinyurl.com* ** *Rob MacKillop* To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Nigel North's Continuo book on Google Books
HA-HA-HA! That's not what it means. Free lutescores abound, thanks Apollon! How good they are is another question... G. - Original Message - From: Sean Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:24 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel North's Continuo book on Google Books There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lutescore. Sean To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Nigel North's Continuo book on Google Books
No, that's what I said. What is there (27 pages or so) does make you want to order the book immediately though! G. - Original Message - From: Bruno Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel North's Continuo book on Google Books Is the whole book there? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Nigel North's Continuo book on Google Books
Is the whole book there? 2008/3/2, Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What does TANSTAAFL mean? Rob On 02/03/2008, G. Crona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wish! It's only a small teaser. Remember TANSTAAFL (except David's tasting meetings of course ;) G. - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: [LUTE] Nigel North's Continuo book on Google Books And here it is: *http://tinyurl.com/2pq53a* ** *By the way, this tiny url thing is really useful and easy to use. Visit tinyurl.com* ** *Rob MacKillop* To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- --
[LUTE] Re: Nigel North's Continuo book on Google Books
There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lutescore. Sean On Mar 2, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: What does TANSTAAFL mean? Rob On 02/03/2008, G. Crona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wish! It's only a small teaser. Remember TANSTAAFL (except David's tasting meetings of course ;) G. - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: [LUTE] Nigel North's Continuo book on Google Books And here it is: *http://tinyurl.com/2pq53a* ** *By the way, this tiny url thing is really useful and easy to use. Visit tinyurl.com* ** *Rob MacKillop* To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Amateur recordings
VERY nice, Mathias. Beautiful tone, the bass especially. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ode for St Cecilia's Day
Mozart added a lute part to the flute ad libitum in the end: more broken chords. I guess this is Mozart's collected output of lute music!? Are To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Amateur recordings
F A N T A S T I C ! you and Valerie are my favorite ! respect -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ode for St Cecilia's Day
Measures 5-8 (first solo) I'd feel kinda nude if I was supposed to play the solo notes only. I wonder which instrument I'd choose. With regard to the accidentals, the chitarrone would be my instrument of choice. Then, however, the first entry is too high for adding chord notes. At least if played in 1st position. The same applies to measure 10. Okay, I give in, but then I'd REALLY have to play as LOUD as I can. Yet there are some places where I'd certainly play continuo, e. g. p. 39 lowest system until p. 40 3rd system inclusively, p. 41 etc, where the lute is together with the organ. Or at places where the flute answers to the figures of the lute (p. 40 lowest system, p. 42 1st and 2nd systems). From p. 40, 4th system onwards, the lute illustrates the words of the voice which speaks about the dirge of the whispering, warbling lute, with typically lute-like arpeggios and figures. That's why there are those Carcassi arpeggios and why the tessitura is so low (dirge). You're right, these figures are surely intended to be played à solo. -- Best, Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ode for St Cecilia's Day
Are wrote: Mozart added a lute part to the flute ad libitum in the end: more broken chords. I guess this is Mozart's collected output of lute music!? Three songs with mandolin. Does that qualify? The LGS (that's us!) has publishged a collection of 21 songs with accompaniments for 10-course renaissance lute. Preface by Arthur Ness. End of commercial, thank you for your time. ;-) David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ode for St Cecilia's Day
Mathias wrote: Measures 5-8 (first solo) I'd feel kinda nude if I was supposed to play the solo notes only. [...] The same applies to measure 10. Okay, I give in, but then I'd REALLY have to play as LOUD as I can. Why? The lute is solo but for the soft complaining flute. But, sure, continuo is possible. These are inviting lines for adding some chords and/or some counterpoint in the top of the lute. Yet there are some places where I'd certainly play continuo, e. g. p. 39 lowest system The lute is not solo here, but plays with the tutti in the continuo. Certainly continuo, then. until p. 40 3rd system inclusively In the warbling bit as well? p. 41 etc, where the lute is together with the organ. Sure, not solo but tutti continuo. Or at places where the flute answers to the figures of the lute (p. 40 lowest system, From the third measure onward? Yes, me too. p. 42 1st and 2nd systems). Again, tutti here, so continuo, agreed. From p. 40, 4th system onwards, the lute illustrates the words of the voice which speaks about the dirge of the whispering, warbling lute, with typically lute-like arpeggios and figures. That's why there are those Carcassi arpeggios and why the tessitura is so low (dirge). You're right, these figures are surely intended to be played à solo. I didn't connect of the dirge with the low tessitura yet, good thought. But in the big hall I played this once (Vredenburg grote zaal) I was not audible so low, one octave up worked better. The duet is with the singer here, not with a soft complaining traverso. On a theorbo the range is good. Perhaps I'll bring one for next month, have to see wat else in on the programme. And thank you, Mathias, for your detailed answer, it's not often lute players have a chance to go over a piece like this together. I had a chat about this aria two weeks ago with a cembalo player, who cheated us out of a job by having playing the lute part. The conductor asked him to play the warbling bits up an octave, claiming 'all lute parts were always written an octave too low'. That sounds a bit stiff to me, but he had a point about composers not always writing effectively for the instrument in ensemble settings. David By the way, what's wrong with feeling nude on stage? I think that's what our job is all about, to large extent anyway? David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
