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[LUTE] Lute pictures for website...
Does anyone have any images of lutes that I could use on a website -- I want to write a brief description of the lute and accompany it with pics of Renaissance and Baroque lutes. If anyone wants me to link back to their site I would be more than happy to. Regards, Duncan. -- -- [1]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ -- References 1. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Lute pictures for website...
If you had googled before, you would have found countless numbers of pictures. Try related Wikipedia-articles also. M -Original Message- > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:42:02 +0100 > Subject: [LUTE] Lute pictures for website... > From: Duncan Midwinter > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Does anyone have any images of lutes that I could use on a website -- > I want to write a brief description of the lute and accompany it with > pics of Renaissance and Baroque lutes. If anyone wants me to link back > to their site I would be more than happy to. > > Regards, > > Duncan. > > -- > -- > [1]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ > > -- > > References > > 1. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
[LUTE] Re: Lute pictures for website...
I don't want to use any old picture without permission, also I would like to link the picture back to it's source as a way of providing more information about the instrument. At the moment my site (which is still in construction) has several links to Wikipedia content, but I would like to provide links to more diverse content. Many thanks, Duncan. -- 2009/3/12 [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de <[2]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> If you had googled before, you would have found countless numbers of pictures. Try related Wikipedia-articles also. M -Original Message- > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:42:02 +0100 > Subject: [LUTE] Lute pictures for website... > From: Duncan Midwinter <[3]duncan.midwin...@googlemail.com> > To: [4]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Does anyone have any images of lutes that I could use on a website -- > I want to write a brief description of the lute and accompany it with > pics of Renaissance and Baroque lutes. If anyone wants me to link back > to their site I would be more than happy to. > > Regards, > > Duncan. > > -- > -- > [1][5]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ > > -- > > References > > 1. [6]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- -- [8]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ -- References 1. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 2. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 3. mailto:duncan.midwin...@googlemail.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ 6. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/
[LUTE] Re: Lute pictures for website...
Many luthiers have a web site with pictures of their wares. You could try contacting them for permission to use some of those pictures on you site (presumably with a link back to their Web site). -Original Message- From: Duncan Midwinter [mailto:duncan.midwin...@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:44 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute pictures for website... I don't want to use any old picture without permission, also I would like to link the picture back to it's source as a way of providing more information about the instrument. At the moment my site (which is still in construction) has several links to Wikipedia content, but I would like to provide links to more diverse content. Many thanks, Duncan. -- 2009/3/12 [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de <[2]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> If you had googled before, you would have found countless numbers of pictures. Try related Wikipedia-articles also. M -Original Message- > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:42:02 +0100 > Subject: [LUTE] Lute pictures for website... > From: Duncan Midwinter <[3]duncan.midwin...@googlemail.com> > To: [4]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Does anyone have any images of lutes that I could use on a website -- > I want to write a brief description of the lute and accompany it with > pics of Renaissance and Baroque lutes. If anyone wants me to link back > to their site I would be more than happy to. > > Regards, > > Duncan. > > -- > -- > [1][5]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ > > -- > > References > > 1. [6]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- -- [8]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ -- References 1. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 2. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 3. mailto:duncan.midwin...@googlemail.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ 6. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/
[LUTE] Re: Lute pictures for website...
exactly :) 2009/3/12 Guy Smith <[1]guy_m_sm...@comcast.net> Many luthiers have a web site with pictures of their wares. You could try contacting them for permission to use some of those pictures on you site (presumably with a link back to their Web site). -Original Message- From: Duncan Midwinter [mailto:[2]duncan.midwin...@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:44 AM To: [3]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute pictures for website... I don't want to use any old picture without permission, also I would like to link the picture back to it's source as a way of providing more information about the instrument. At the moment my site (which is still in construction) has several links to Wikipedia content, but I would like to provide links to more diverse content. Many thanks, Duncan. -- 2009/3/12 [1][4]mathias.roe...@t-online.de <[2][5]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> If you had googled before, you would have found countless numbers of pictures. Try related Wikipedia-articles also. M -Original Message- > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:42:02 +0100 > Subject: [LUTE] Lute pictures for website... > From: Duncan Midwinter <[3][6]duncan.midwin...@googlemail.com> > To: [4][7]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Does anyone have any images of lutes that I could use on a website -- > I want to write a brief description of the lute and accompany it with > pics of Renaissance and Baroque lutes. If anyone wants me to link back > to their site I would be more than happy to. > > Regards, > > Duncan. > > -- > -- > [1][5][8]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ > > -- > > References > > 1. [6][9]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [7][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- -- [8][11]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ -- References 1. mailto:[12]mathias.roe...@t-online.de 2. mailto:[13]mathias.roe...@t-online.de 3. mailto:[14]duncan.midwin...@googlemail.com 4. mailto:[15]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. [16]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ 6. [17]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ 7. [18]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. [19]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ -- -- [20]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ -- References 1. mailto:guy_m_sm...@comcast.net 2. mailto:duncan.midwin...@googlemail.com 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 5. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 6. mailto:duncan.midwin...@googlemail.com 7. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ 9. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 11. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ 12. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 13. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 14. mailto:duncan.midwin...@googlemail.com 15. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 16. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ 17. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ 18. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 19. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ 20. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/
[LUTE] Re: Lute pictures for website...
Duncan One would think that once a photo was on a web site, linking to that photo would be perfectly alright, just drawing attention to what is already there. I imagine in most cases, there is no problem, as such a link is a sort of promotion, but apparently the legal area here is very grey indeed. I looked at that for the same reason that you are doing so now, a s I wanted to create a web page, but wondered just how easy it would be to link up to information on other sites, iconography, paintings, museum photos, etc. When I saw all the potential problems, particularly that one might be liable to the legal fees of Google, I hesitated Can you, for example, put a link to a Youtube film of a well known lutenist? Well apparently these are not all legal and above board, so you could be linking to something that is already infringing copy-right. You were probably not going to do that, but other people will be reading this reply. I found these pages about the legal issue. It both makes things clearer and more complex: http://www.templetons.com/brad/linkright.html http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html I also found this short and explicative text, which seems to prevent almost anything: http://www.bitlaw.com/internet/webpage.html Derivative Work Created by Linking-In Images Found on Other Sites. When the image from another web site is incorporated into one's own page by means of an unauthorized IMG link, there is no direct copying by the creator of the link. Nonetheless, when the visiting browser retrieves the image from the other web site and combines it with the text on the current page, the creator of the web site may be guilty of contributory copyright infringement for creating a derivative work. Consequently, one should not include links to images found on another party's web site without first getting permission. However, it may be legal to give a link to such a photo and then to make a critical analysis of it. I think creating links on a lute web page is probably different from sending a message to a lute list using such a link, as that is for members of a list, and so for private consumption. How about the blog pages within Ning? Are they private, or open to anyone? Anthony PS I notice that on the lute site of a well known lutemaker, the photos of lutes that belong to the Musée de la Musique, here in Paris, are now blank. So I suppose he either became worried that he might be infringing their copyright, or they made an explicit demand for him to remove such images. There are some lawyers on our list, so perhaps they may comment. Le 12 mars 09 à 17:26, Duncan Midwinter a écrit : >exactly :) > >2009/3/12 Guy Smith <[1]guy_m_sm...@comcast.net> > > Many luthiers have a web site with pictures of their wares. You > could try > contacting them for permission to use some of those pictures > on you > site > (presumably with a link back to their Web site). > >-Original Message- >From: Duncan Midwinter [mailto:[2]duncan.midwin...@googlemail.com] >Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:44 AM >To: [3]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu > >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute pictures for website... > I don't want to use any old picture without permission, also I > would > like to link the picture back to it's source as a way of > providing >more > information about the instrument. At the moment my site (which is >still > in construction) has several links to Wikipedia content, but I > would > like to provide links to more diverse content. > Many thanks, > Duncan. > -- > 2009/3/12 [1][4]mathias.roe...@t-online.de ><[2][5]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> >If you had googled before, you would have found countless > numbers >of >pictures. Try related Wikipedia-articles also. >M > -Original Message- >> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:42:02 +0100 >> Subject: [LUTE] Lute pictures for website... >> From: Duncan Midwinter <[3][6]duncan.midwin...@googlemail.com> >> To: [4][7]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu >> Does anyone have any images of lutes that I could use on a website >-- >> I want to write a brief description of the lute and accompany it >with >> pics of Renaissance and Baroque lutes. If anyone wants me to link > back >> to their site I would be more than happy to. >> >> Regards, >> >> Duncan. >> >> -- >> -- >> [1][5][8]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. [6][9]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [7][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> > -- > -- > [8][11]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ > -- >References > 1. mailto:[12]mathias.roe...@t-online.de > 2. mailto:[13]mathias.roe...@t-online.de > 3. mailto:[
[LUTE] Re: Lute pictures for website...
I would suggest a look at the instruments in the Boston Museum of Fine Arts collection; http://www.mfa.org/collections/index.asp?key=27 At the bottom of that page are lists of the various types of instruments and slide shows devoted to them. Also you can take an "audio tour" and hear some of the instruments played, many of the plucked instruments played by our Chris Henricksen. There is information about using the copyrighted pictures, but I do not know what the charges would be. Perhaps very little or nothing if it's for your personal web page. Of course, you can send a "post card" with the instrument depicted for free. (I just sent you one, Duncan.) And you could probably link to the picture on the MFA web site, like this: http://tinyurl.com/dhot3s There has been much activity in the Music Instrument Department of the MFA in recent years. This included the blockbuster exhibition of guitars (140,000 people saw the exhibition). The curator Darcy Kuronen put together a nice book based on the exhibition, _*Dangerous Curves: The Art of the Guitar*_. Here gathered instruments from collections allover the globe. Some were added to the MFA collection. Darcy was recently elected vice-president of the American Musical Instrument Society. =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= My Web Page: Scores http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ Other Matters: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/musexx/ === - Original Message - From: "Duncan Midwinter" To: Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: [LUTE] Lute pictures for website... | Does anyone have any images of lutes that I could use on a website -- I | want to write a brief description of the lute and accompany it with | pics of Renaissance and Baroque lutes. If anyone wants me to link back | to their site I would be more than happy to. | | Regards, | | Duncan. | | -- | -- | [1]http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ | | -- | | References | | 1. http://www.digital-orchestrations.nxserve.net/ | | | To get on or off this list see list information at | http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html |
[LUTE] reading mensural notation
Perhaps like many lute players, I started out playing lute strictly from tablature. While I'm fluent reading mensural notation for singing or other instruments, I've never mastered it with the lute. I feel this is a lack, and would like to fix it - except for how much work it is! Now I currently play both a tenor in G and an alto in A. I can think of reasons why it would be "nice" to be able to read mensural notation on each of them. But since the task at hand is already difficult (and hard to motivate practicing), I really need to pick either the G or the A and just learn that for now. Like most lute players, I played some (classical) guitar first, so really it would probably be slightly easier to learn the association from A lute to mensural notation. But perhaps the G is more generally useful in the long run. Any advice from the collected wisdom? Suzanne -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: reading mensural notation
angevin...@att.net wrote: Perhaps like many lute players, I started out playing lute strictly from tablature. While I'm fluent reading mensural notation for singing or other instruments, I've never mastered it with the lute. I feel this is a lack, and would like to fix it - except for how much work it is! Now I currently play both a tenor in G and an alto in A. I can think of reasons why it would be "nice" to be able to read mensural notation on each of them. But since the task at hand is already difficult (and hard to motivate practicing), I really need to pick either the G or the A and just learn that for now. Like most lute players, I played some (classical) guitar first, so really it would probably be slightly easier to learn the association from A lute to mensural notation. But perhaps the G is more generally useful in the long run. Any advice from the collected wisdom? Suzanne -- Just to clarify: mensural notation as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensural_notation Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 03/12/09 10:38:00
[LUTE] Re: reading mensural notation
-- Original message from Stuart Walsh : -- > angevin...@att.net wrote: > >Perhaps like many lute players, I started out playing lute strictly > >from tablature. While I'm fluent reading mensural notation for > >singing or other instruments, I've never mastered it with the lute. I > >feel this is a lack, and would like to fix it - except for how much > >work it is! Now I currently play both a tenor in G and an alto in A. > >I can think of reasons why it would be "nice" to be able to read > >mensural notation on each of them. But since the task at hand is > >already difficult (and hard to motivate practicing), I really need to > >pick either the G or the A and just learn that for now. Like most lute > >players, I played some (classical) guitar first, so really it would > >probably be slightly easier to learn the association from A lute to > >mensural notation. But perhaps the G is more generally useful in the > >long run. > >Any advice from the collected wisdom? > >Suzanne > >-- > > > > > Just to clarify: mensural notation as in > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensural_notation > > > Stuart No, I mean plain old modern staff notation. Not the esoteric, specialized stuff of early Western music. Mensural, as is "Add mensural staff" of Fronimo. Sorry if the use of the not-quite-exact term was confusing. I'm just meaning to contrast tablature with staff notation. Suzanne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: reading mensural notation
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:20 PM, wrote: > > No, I mean plain old modern staff notation. Not the esoteric, specialized > stuff of early Western music. Mensural, as is "Add mensural staff" of > Fronimo. Sorry if the use of the not-quite-exact term was confusing. I'm > just meaning to contrast tablature with staff notation. > > Suzanne > Awww. that spoils all the fun. OK, basically, you're going to read one of two clefs with lutes in G or A (which we could call tenor lute and alto lute, if you want): treble clef and alto clef. If the treble clef is transposed-treble (i.e., has the 8 underneath the clef sign), then an interesting thing happens: A in the alto clef (second line up) is G in the transposed treble clef. So, if you learn the treble clef using the A lute, you can read the alto clef by changing lutes. You have to be aware of some niceties. Mostly, you have to be aware that, if you are playing in C in transposed treble on the G lute, all the notes on lines and spaces are natural, but if you are playing the A lute on the alto clef with music written in C, you'll be "three sharps up" on the other parts. Think of it this way: if you start with G lute on the second line of the transposed treble and play three notes, G A B, you are playing a whole tone and a whole tone up. If you start with the same note on the same line (concert A in this case) in alto clef on the A lute, you'll put your finger in the same place as you would have on the G lute in Transposed treble. The next note up, concert B (looking like an A), will be whole tone up. But the next note would be concert C natural with no sharps or flats in the signature, and you will want to play it as a concert C# because it will look to you like a B. So to adjust, you'll have to add three flats. If the key signature has sharps, each sharp nullifies a flat. If it has flats, you just add them. So if the original signature has one sharp, you'll have to play alto clef with the A lute and use a signature with two flats, but other than that trick, you can read the notes as if you were reading transposed treble on the G lute! So I'd start reading transposed treble clef on the G lute, and after I was comfortable with that, start reading alto clef parts on the A lute with the signature gimmick. Only I wouldn't. I, personally, have always found it more convenient (and less confusing) to just learn each instrument as its own entity, and then learn to read each clef on it anew. It's a facility I have, but probably isn't shared by many others (judging from the amount of work that goes into coming up with ways of circumventing it, like the above.) ray To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: reading mensural notation
angevin...@att.net wrote: Perhaps like many lute players, I started out playing lute strictly from tablature. While I'm fluent reading mensural notation for singing or other instruments, I've never mastered it with the lute. I feel this is a lack, and would like to fix it - except for how much work it is! Now I currently play both a tenor in G and an alto in A. I can think of reasons why it would be "nice" to be able to read mensural notation on each of them. But since the task at hand is already difficult (and hard to motivate practicing), I really need to pick either the G or the A and just learn that for now. Like most lute players, I played some (classical) guitar first, so really it would probably be slightly easier to learn the association from A lute to mensural notation. But perhaps the G is more generally useful in the long run. Any advice from the collected wisdom? Suzanne -- Just to clarify: mensural notation as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensural_notation Stuart No, I mean plain old modern staff notation. Not the esoteric, specialized stuff of early Western music. Mensural, as is "Add mensural staff" of Fronimo. Sorry if the use of the not-quite-exact term was confusing. I'm just meaning to contrast tablature with staff notation. Suzanne Sorry to raise another question - but do you want to read lute music - solos, song accompaniments, duet parts - that were originally in tablature, but in ordinary music notation? Perhaps so you can really see the implied voice-leading? That's a very noble enterprise - which many people would baulk at because it is both difficult and a bit superfluous if you can play the tablature well enough. Or do you want to do what some keyboard players can do, and look at a score (e.g. in 3 or 4 parts) and play it at sight on the lute? Or again, do you want to read the lower part (probably in the bass clef) and do a sort of continuo? Also very noble enterprises and I'd think really quite difficult. Or do you want to play single lines? I don't think that's too difficult at all. Of course, the question is why you would want to play single lines. (I want to play single lines because I want to play pre-16th century music - but in ordinary modern musical notation, not mensural!). I don't think it matters whether you play a lute in A or G, if you want to single lines. But you need to play in the treble clef, the treble clef an octave down and the bass clef. Playing single lines, in much Renaissance music is really not too difficult. I also like to play other instruments than the lute that have specific tunings (different from the lute) and the music written for the instrument is not in tablature. It's mostly amateur music and in a small number of keys. Playing from music notation in different tunings on different instruments is not a big deal (as long as the music is not too difficult). Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 03/12/09 10:38:00
