[LUTE] Re: Mandolin at Kedleston Hall
Who is the painting by? MOnica - Original Message - From: "EUGENE BRAIG IV" To: "Stewart McCoy" Cc: "Lute Net" Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:03 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mandolin at Kedleston Hall I went digging around the web for a larger image; found this: http://www.bestpriceart.com/vault/cgfa_devis1.jpg Soundbox is portrayed a little on the large side, but this appears to be a classic, late 18th-c. Neapolitan mandolin. You can also see the case on the bench behind the tree. It's a nice painting. Thanks for sharing. Best, Eugene - Original Message - From: Stewart McCoy Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010 7:00 pm Subject: [LUTE] Mandolin at Kedleston Hall To: Lute Net > Dear Eugene, > > In view of this discussion of Neapolitan mandolins, would you or > anyoneelse care to comment on a painting of what I believe to be > a Neapolitan > mandolin at Kedleston Hall in Derbyshire. I was recently sent the > following query from a friend who is researching the music there. > > -o-O-o- > > If you go to > > http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-vh/w-visits/w- > findaplace/w-kedles > tonhall > > then click on 'Meet the family' the first picture is of Lady Caroline > Colyear (1733-1812) daughter of the 2nd Earl of Portmore, who married > Nathaniel Curzon in 1750: there is a charming portrait in the Family > Corridor of her playing the mandolin ?? , with Nathaniel > standing, by > Arthur Devis, dated 1754. Please could you identify the instrument! > > -o-O-o- > > Any observations would be much appreciated. > > Best wishes, > > Stewart McCoy. > > -Original Message- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute- > a...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of Eugene C. Braig IV > Sent: 17 May 2010 18:19 > To: 'Martyn Hodgson'; 'Lute Dmth'; 'Susanne Herre' > Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute music and playing technique in italy 18th > century > > > -Original Message- > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute- > a...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > > Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson > > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 5:50 AM > > To: Lute Dmth; Susanne Herre > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute music and playing technique in italy 18th > century > > > >Did not violinists play the mandolin, > especially the > >Neapolitan wire strung instrument tuned the same? > > [Eugene C. Braig IV] However, there isn't any evidence that the > Neapolitan > type existed until the mid 18th c. at the earliest. > Instruments (some > with > somewhat dubious labels) don't appear until the 1740s and obvious > designated > repertoire not until the 1760s. > > Eugene > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > --
[LUTE] Re: Mandolin at Kedleston Hall
The painting is by Arthur Devis (1712-1787). Best, Eugene > -Original Message- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of Monica Hall > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:35 AM > To: EUGENE BRAIG IV > Cc: Lutelist > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mandolin at Kedleston Hall > > Who is the painting by? > > MOnica > > - Original Message - > From: "EUGENE BRAIG IV" > To: "Stewart McCoy" > Cc: "Lute Net" > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:03 AM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mandolin at Kedleston Hall > > > > I went digging around the web for a larger image; found this: > > http://www.bestpriceart.com/vault/cgfa_devis1.jpg > > Soundbox is portrayed a little on the large side, but this appears to > > be a classic, late 18th-c. Neapolitan mandolin. You can also see the > > case on the bench behind the tree. It's a nice painting. Thanks for > > sharing. > > Best, > > Eugene > > - Original Message - > > From: Stewart McCoy > > Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010 7:00 pm > > Subject: [LUTE] Mandolin at Kedleston Hall > > To: Lute Net > > > Dear Eugene, > > > > > > In view of this discussion of Neapolitan mandolins, would you or > > > anyoneelse care to comment on a painting of what I believe to be > > > a Neapolitan > > > mandolin at Kedleston Hall in Derbyshire. I was recently sent the > > > following query from a friend who is researching the music there. > > > > > > -o-O-o- > > > > > > If you go to > > > > > > http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-vh/w-visits/w- > > > findaplace/w-kedles > > > tonhall > > > > > > then click on 'Meet the family' the first picture is of Lady > Caroline > > > Colyear (1733-1812) daughter of the 2nd Earl of Portmore, who > married > > > Nathaniel Curzon in 1750: there is a charming portrait in the Family > > > Corridor of her playing the mandolin ?? , with Nathaniel > > > standing, by > > > Arthur Devis, dated 1754. Please could you identify the instrument! > > > > > > -o-O-o- > > > > > > Any observations would be much appreciated. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Stewart McCoy. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute- > > > a...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > > > Behalf Of Eugene C. Braig IV > > > Sent: 17 May 2010 18:19 > > > To: 'Martyn Hodgson'; 'Lute Dmth'; 'Susanne Herre' > > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute music and playing technique in italy 18th > > > century > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute- > > > a...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > > > > Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 5:50 AM > > > > To: Lute Dmth; Susanne Herre > > > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute music and playing technique in italy 18th > > > century > > > > > > > >Did not violinists play the mandolin, > > > especially the > > > >Neapolitan wire strung instrument tuned the same? > > > > > > [Eugene C. Braig IV] However, there isn't any evidence that the > > > Neapolitan > > > type existed until the mid 18th c. at the earliest. > > > Instruments (some > > > with > > > somewhat dubious labels) don't appear until the 1740s and obvious > > > designated > > > repertoire not until the 1760s. > > > > > > Eugene > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > -- > >
[LUTE] Larry Brown
Has anyone heard from the lutebuilder Larry Brown of Asheville, NC lately? His web site is down and he is not answering his business phone and not returning messages left. I hope he is OK. I shipped one of my lutes to him with finish problems to be refinished last January and I have not heard from hm since then. Mike Peterson -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Mandolin at Kedleston Hall
Dear Eugene, Many thanks indeed. That is an interesting point - that the Neapolitan mandolin would be a comparatively new instrument for the young lady to be playing. Just for the record, my friend has told me that the painting is dated 1754, which is after the first mention of the instrument, but before the first tutor books were published. One wonders how quickly the mandolin spread in England at this time. Best wishes, Stewart. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of EUGENE BRAIG IV Sent: 24 May 2010 01:07 To: Stewart McCoy Cc: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mandolin at Kedleston Hall PS: Mid 18th-c. is right about right for extant instruments to begin appearing in decent numbers. The first wave of mandolin popularity (and almost all the first method books beginning in the 1760s) happened in Paris. Without knowing anything about the family's history, I suspect that portraying themselves with a mandolin this early in that movement was a demonstration of their cosmopolitan stylishness. Best, Eugene - Original Message - From: Stewart McCoy Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010 7:00 pm Subject: [LUTE] Mandolin at Kedleston Hall To: Lute Net > Dear Eugene, > > In view of this discussion of Neapolitan mandolins, would you or > anyoneelse care to comment on a painting of what I believe to be > a Neapolitan > mandolin at Kedleston Hall in Derbyshire. I was recently sent the > following query from a friend who is researching the music there. > > -o-O-o- > > If you go to > > http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-vh/w-visits/w- > findaplace/w-kedles > tonhall > > then click on 'Meet the family' the first picture is of Lady Caroline > Colyear (1733-1812) daughter of the 2nd Earl of Portmore, who married > Nathaniel Curzon in 1750: there is a charming portrait in the Family > Corridor of her playing the mandolin ?? , with Nathaniel > standing, by > Arthur Devis, dated 1754. Please could you identify the instrument! > > -o-O-o- > > Any observations would be much appreciated. > > Best wishes, > > Stewart McCoy. > > -Original Message- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute- > a...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of Eugene C. Braig IV > Sent: 17 May 2010 18:19 > To: 'Martyn Hodgson'; 'Lute Dmth'; 'Susanne Herre' > Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute music and playing technique in italy 18th > century > > > -Original Message- > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute- > a...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > > Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson > > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 5:50 AM > > To: Lute Dmth; Susanne Herre > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute music and playing technique in italy 18th > century > > > >Did not violinists play the mandolin, > especially the > >Neapolitan wire strung instrument tuned the same? > > [Eugene C. Braig IV] However, there isn't any evidence that the > Neapolitan > type existed until the mid 18th c. at the earliest. > Instruments (some > with > somewhat dubious labels) don't appear until the 1740s and obvious > designated > repertoire not until the 1760s. > > Eugene > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > --
[LUTE] Re: Larry Brown
Some time ago, when I went to look at his website, i too noticed its absence. Further googling brought up the information (reliable?) that he had left lute making as a profession for one that provided a more reliable income; he would continue building only his own instruments. But if you sent him an instrument for repairs, I presume he would honor his commitment to you. At any rate, I would do a google search to see if you can come up with an address for him. Good luck. Ned On May 24, 2010, at 12:23 PM, mb...@comcast.net wrote: > Has anyone heard from the lutebuilder Larry Brown of Asheville, NC > lately? > His web site is down and he is not answering his business phone and not > returning messages left. > I hope he is OK. I shipped one of my lutes to him with finish problems > to be refinished last January and I have not heard from hm since then. > Mike Peterson > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Larry Brown
I know he sent word by e-mail to a small group of correspondents of several steel-string guitars he was building for sale, I believe back in January or February. His site appears to have been down for a while. This also received a little chat at Ning. Best, Eugene > -Original Message- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of Edward Mast > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 2:14 PM > To: mb...@comcast.net > Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Larry Brown > > Some time ago, when I went to look at his website, i too noticed its > absence. Further googling brought up the information (reliable?) that he > had left lute making as a profession for one that provided a more reliable > income; he would continue building only his own instruments. But if you > sent him an instrument for repairs, I presume he would honor his > commitment to you. At any rate, I would do a google search to see if you > can come up with an address for him. Good luck. > > Ned > On May 24, 2010, at 12:23 PM, mb...@comcast.net wrote: > > > Has anyone heard from the lutebuilder Larry Brown of Asheville, NC > > lately? > > His web site is down and he is not answering his business phone and > not > > returning messages left. > > I hope he is OK. I shipped one of my lutes to him with finish > problems > > to be refinished last January and I have not heard from hm since then. > > Mike Peterson > > > > -- > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Larry Brown
This is very worrisome indeed. Mike P - Original Message - From: "Edward Mast" To: mb...@comcast.net Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:13:47 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [LUTE] Larry Brown Some time ago, when I went to look at his website, i too noticed its absence. Further googling brought up the information (reliable?) that he had left lute making as a profession for one that provided a more reliable income; he would continue building only his own instruments. But if you sent him an instrument for repairs, I presume he would honor his commitment to you. At any rate, I would do a google search to see if you can come up with an address for him. Good luck. Ned On May 24, 2010, at 12:23 PM, mb...@comcast.net wrote: > Has anyone heard from the lutebuilder Larry Brown of Asheville, NC > lately? > His web site is down and he is not answering his business phone and not > returning messages left. > I hope he is OK. I shipped one of my lutes to him with finish problems > to be refinished last January and I have not heard from hm since then. > Mike Peterson > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
