[LUTE] Guitare baroque
Again a nice vid : [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg Val ;-) -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Guitare baroque
Wonderful. Hearing this lovely instrument, one wonders (well, I wonder) why makers and players felt that it needed the improvements of the modern guitar and its technique. Well, ok, it wasn't suitable for recitals in Carnegie Hall. But, as always, something gained, something lost. On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:35 AM, Valery Sauvage wrote: Again a nice vid : [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg Val ;-) -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Balli Rutenici XIII XIV
Thanks for music Roman! Here is my video of XIV: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzrEbHAa8zk 2011/7/14 Roman Turovsky [2]r.turov...@verizon.net Ballo Ruteno XIII, in d - [3]http://torban.org/balli/images/341.mp3 [4]http://torban.org/balli/images/341.pdf Ballo Ruteno XIV, in c - [5]http://torban.org/balli/images/342.mp3 [6]http://torban.org/balli/images/342.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzrEbHAa8zk 2. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 3. http://torban.org/balli/images/341.mp3 4. http://torban.org/balli/images/341.pdf 5. http://torban.org/balli/images/342.mp3 6. http://torban.org/balli/images/342.pdf 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Balli Rutenici XIII XIV
Well done, Eugene! RT From: Eugene Kurenko eugene.kure...@gmail.com Thanks for the music Roman! Here is my video of XIV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzrEbHAa8zk 2011/7/14 Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Ballo Ruteno XIII, in d - http://torban.org/balli/**images/341.mp3http://torban.org/balli/images/341.mp3 http://torban.org/balli/**images/341.pdfhttp://torban.org/balli/images/341.pdf Ballo Ruteno XIV, in c - http://torban.org/balli/**images/342.mp3http://torban.org/balli/images/342.mp3 http://torban.org/balli/**images/342.pdfhttp://torban.org/balli/images/342.pdf Enjoy. Amitiés, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~**wbc/lute-admin/index.htmlhttp://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Guitare baroque
David, I think you misunderstood my post. The fact that this was very obviously a HIP performance, rather than modern, and was so lovely, gave rise to my question. Of course, as Christopher recognized, it was somewhat rhetorical. That instruments - and techniques - evolve is no doubt to be expected, and the reasons are many. But one reason is the constant striving for more volume. At best, success along these lines appears to me to be mixed blessing. On Jul 15, 2011, at 10:08 AM, David Smith wrote: Nice performance. The player looked awfully nervous for someone who plays that well, lol. Edward, what about this struck you as modern (aside from the clothing worn by the player). It looked significantly divergent from modern guitar technique to me. (I don't know enough about baroque technique to evaluate that.) On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Edward Mast [1]nedma...@aol.com wrote: Wonderful. Hearing this lovely instrument, one wonders (well, I wonder) why makers and players felt that it needed the improvements of the modern guitar and its technique. Well, ok, it wasn't suitable for recitals in Carnegie Hall. But, as always, something gained, something lost. On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:35 AM, Valery Sauvage wrote: Again a nice vid : [1][2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg Val ;-) -- References 1. [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'
Yes - good points, Thomas. On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Thomas Schall wrote: I'm with David Just want to add that most of the interpretations are getting better (the music sounds better) if we know more about the instrument, the composer, the way it could have been intended to play, but also cultural surrounding like poetry (imagine early renaissance music without Petrach's poetry!), the rooms the music was performed and the audiences. It's not necessary that today's audiences know such details but I am convinced it helps to find a interpretation. And that audiences appreciate the quality. We don't need to know all the effort Donna and Ron are putting into their interpretations to feel they are on the highest level. The If they have had ... is reducing because then we would never have had the subtleness and sweetness of the old instruments and the music for them. Thomas Am Dienstag, 12. Juli 2011, 16.13:21 schrieb David van Ooijen: On 12 July 2011 04:15, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: I think that, if the old masters had possessed effects, they would have used them. .. and would have written different music which would have utilised these effects. Which is the whole point about HIP: using the means the old had at their disposal to create a sound that could have been in their ears when they wre writing their music. David -- Thomas Schall Doerflistrasse 2 CH-6078 Lungern +41 41 678 00 79 thomas.sch...@bluewin.ch - -- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -- Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' Datum: Freitag, 15. Juli 2011, 20.20:13 Von: Thomas Schall lauten...@lautenist.de An: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Kopie: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com which reminds me on my feelings towards Beethoven's piano sonatas. I couldn't stand them any more ... but then I've heard a concert when they were played on a Hammerklavier - so delicate! I loved it ... The same to Chopin on an old piano instead of the modern Steinways it's usually played. It's like a new world - and I like it. I'm not sure BTW that the old composers would have enjoyed modern instruments. They have had different listening habits and the modern instruments would have felt like visiting a Heavy Metal concert when used to lute music. Thomas Am Dienstag, 12. Juli 2011, 17.09:12 schrieb Martyn Hodgson: Indeed David, and precisely the point I made which launched this round of mails. Once we move away from considerations of historical evidence we quickly get into the realms of mere personal assertion to fit an individual's own preferences which may, or may not, be related to what the Old Ones expected. The idea that, to take one composer at random, JS Bach would have preferred a modern Bechstein grand is, of course, not new and this sort of case was used from the earliest days of the revival of interest in his music in the mid 19th century. Whether or not he would have done is something we'll never know - what we do know reasonably well are the sorts of keyboard instruments he would actually have come across. Martyn --- On Tue, 12/7/11, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 12 July, 2011, 15:13 On 12 July 2011 04:15, [1]t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: I think that, if the old masters had possessed effects, they would have used them. .. and would have written different music which would have utilised these effects. Which is the whole point about HIP: using the means the old had at their disposal to create a sound that could have been in their ears when they wre writing their music. David -- *** David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=t...@heartistrymusic.com 2. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Thomas Schall Doerflistrasse 2 CH-6078 Lungern +41 41 678 00 79 lauten...@lautenist.de - -- Thomas Schall Doerflistrasse 2 CH-6078 Lungern +41 41 678 00 79
[LUTE] Re: Guitare baroque
OK. I realized I had misread when I saw Christopher's response. It's all the business model. If you replace one nobleman paying a living wage stipend with a bunch of plebs buying low cost tickets, you have to play louder so all the ticket holders can hear the show. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Edward Mast [1]nedma...@aol.com wrote: David, I think you misunderstood my post. The fact that this was very obviously a HIP performance, rather than modern, and was so lovely, gave rise to my question. Of course, as Christopher recognized, it was somewhat rhetorical. That instruments - and techniques - evolve is no doubt to be expected, and the reasons are many. But one reason is the constant striving for more volume. At best, success along these lines appears to me to be mixed blessing. On Jul 15, 2011, at 10:08 AM, David Smith wrote: Nice performance. The player looked awfully nervous for someone who plays that well, lol. Edward, what about this struck you as modern (aside from the clothing worn by the player). It looked significantly divergent from modern guitar technique to me. (I don't know enough about baroque technique to evaluate that.) On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Edward Mast [1][2]nedma...@aol.com wrote: Wonderful. Hearing this lovely instrument, one wonders (well, I wonder) why makers and players felt that it needed the improvements of the modern guitar and its technique. Well, ok, it wasn't suitable for recitals in Carnegie Hall. But, as always, something gained, something lost. On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:35 AM, Valery Sauvage wrote: Again a nice vid : [1][2][3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg Val ;-) -- References 1. [3][4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg To get on or off this list see list information at [4][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[6]nedma...@aol.com 2. [7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg 3. [8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg 4. [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 2. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg 8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijMh4LBJSg 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
