[LUTE] Re: Quagliati - Toccata Ottavo
Thank you! David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anton Höger Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:56 AM To: Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Quagliati - Toccata Ottavo hi, I have uploaded a really very very fine Lute Duett for 2 lutes ad secundam! Paolo Quagliati - Toccata Ottavo Originally written for Organ. My intavolation for a-lute and 10-ch g lute is a bit tricky to play but sounds very fine, and can be compared with those one of M. Galileo or perhaps of Kapsberger (Listen my computer mp3 file too!) Enjoy Anton look in the folder 2 lutes new ad secundam To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
Hi, Taco. Dan has a very cordial relationship with Mimmo. Although they might seem to be competitors, I do not believe there is any animosity between them, and neither party has suffered due to efforts of the other. Mimmo is also a friend of mine, as I have (and continue to) advocate his strings, and Mimmo quite often has me sample new items, which is something I am most appreciative from him. He truly wants my feedback, not thinking of competition. In short, Mimmo is a fabulous person, and his impact on our lute world has been immense, and we all have benefit from his fantastic strings. As you know, Dan is my friend, and neighbor as well! Lucky me- it is about a on-minute walk to his home, and sometimes that is all I have to do to get strings. But for the most part, I have do either drive one mile, or walk there for strings, lutes, vihuelas, and repairs (I know, I know, poor me!). I am indeed fortunate to have a "friendly neighborhood lute builder and string maker", literally in my neighborhood. By the way, Dan's work is also fantastic, on instruments and strings as well. I cannot speak for Dan, and I would never make a statement about whether or not he would consider re-visiting the loaded gut venue. I do not think Dan has loaded gut since the 1990's, but he certainly does make gimped strings, and in my opinion, they do sound close to loaded gut. His silver sterling gimped strings are, in my opinion, superior to the copper gimped. The thing is, the gimped strings seem to be a very high quality string, as is the Pistoy that Dan makes; they are always very true. There is no problem with good quality with Gamut Strings, and the sound and feel is wonderful. Mommo's and Dan's strings are of equal quality and sound, in my opinion. Some Europeans order directly from Dan, and I know that he does, or has had some European distributors. So, as awful as the situation sounds from Europe, there _are_ good available strings, although for the Europens, they are from distant shores, the USA. We have come so far in the world of strings, both synthetic and natural. I feel very badly about this situation as well. ed At 09:35 AM 11/16/2011, Taco Walstra wrote: >On 11/16/2011 01:41 PM, Edward Martin wrote: >>Dan is in the UK at the moment, but I am unaware of any stoppage of >>gut string making from his shop. He has 4 employees making gut >>strings, and one is my daughter. I am aware of no lay-off plans. >> >>Dan does use beef gut for trebles, simply because they are better, >>stronger, longer lasting. >> >>ed >Don't know how the relation is between Dan and mimmo, but wouldn't >it be possible to make the loaded gut strings in the USA by >Gamutstrings using the recipe of mimmo and pay a small fee to Aquila? >Unfortunately Gamutstrings stopped all work in this area, but I >really love this kind of strings. even -just as in the old times - >they are sometimes not quite well when new (for example in >positions), aging etc. But the tonequality is magnificent. >Taco > > >-- Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
luckily I bought a supply of gut strings and fret gut from Sofracob, just as they closed, to last me the rest of my lifeor at least my playing life I am 53. A good luck to everyone in finding affordable gut.A Maybe the chinese will come up with something,A I'm sure they have no laws concerning gut. A Bruno Montreal, Canada On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Daniel Winheld <[1]dwinh...@comcast.net> wrote: And fret gut? It is ironic that I can find acceptable synthetic string material, but so far not for frets. Nylon out of the question. Once I tried KFG, figuring that density was part of the problem- transmission of sound through to the neck (gut denser than nylon, KF & KFG denser than gut; should have worked on that basis) but that didn't sound good either. We've already got enough to worry about, taking instruments across state lines if the wrong wood or dinosaur nuts are involved. Dan On Nov 16, 2011, at 1:09 AM, Anthony Hind wrote: > A Dear Lutenists > A A A A It does seem that Aquila has decided to stop gut string > A production, which is catastrophic for those of us who use loaded guts. > A There appears to have been but one remaining legal European source for > A gut, and EU laws are making even this problematic, and are preventing a > A serious search for new sourcing. > A Mimmo now seems to consider that the quality of available gut has gone > A down. beyond an acceptable limit. > A Whether other European makers are going to follow Aquila, I don't know. > A Hopefully, Dan Larson being outside the EU, will not be too effected. > A Perhaps Ed can tell us. > A Nevertheless, after Sofracob's disappearence, this will be a real blow > A to gut users. > A I am hoping that aquila will succeed in producing good loaded > A synthetics, and that hopefully these will be very close in sound and > A feel to present loaded gut, as the feel of the this is perhaps more > A effected by the copper powder than by the texture of the gut. > A Nevertheless, I do feel a real loss, as I have A taken so much pleasure > A and interest in Mimmo's experiments with loaded gut, as well as having > A strung all my lutes with these basses. > A Best wishes > A Anthony > A A __ To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [3]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:dwinh...@comcast.net 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
From: "Martin Eastwell" It is a major problem for anyone who wants to play on "real" lute strings (as opposed to just making a nice noise!). Are you implying that Barto makes "a nice noise"? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
Cezar Mateus has been using yellow nylgut for frets, to excellent results, ever since it became available. RT - Original Message - From: "Daniel Winheld" To: "Anthony Hind" Cc: "Orphenica" ; Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:57 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gut Strings And fret gut? It is ironic that I can find acceptable synthetic string material, but so far not for frets. Nylon out of the question. Once I tried KFG, figuring that density was part of the problem- transmission of sound through to the neck (gut denser than nylon, KF & KFG denser than gut; should have worked on that basis) but that didn't sound good either. We've already got enough to worry about, taking instruments across state lines if the wrong wood or dinosaur nuts are involved. Dan On Nov 16, 2011, at 1:09 AM, Anthony Hind wrote: Dear Lutenists It does seem that Aquila has decided to stop gut string production, which is catastrophic for those of us who use loaded guts. There appears to have been but one remaining legal European source for gut, and EU laws are making even this problematic, and are preventing a serious search for new sourcing. Mimmo now seems to consider that the quality of available gut has gone down. beyond an acceptable limit. Whether other European makers are going to follow Aquila, I don't know. Hopefully, Dan Larson being outside the EU, will not be too effected. Perhaps Ed can tell us. Nevertheless, after Sofracob's disappearence, this will be a real blow to gut users. I am hoping that aquila will succeed in producing good loaded synthetics, and that hopefully these will be very close in sound and feel to present loaded gut, as the feel of the this is perhaps more effected by the copper powder than by the texture of the gut. Nevertheless, I do feel a real loss, as I have taken so much pleasure and interest in Mimmo's experiments with loaded gut, as well as having strung all my lutes with these basses. Best wishes Anthony __ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
And fret gut? It is ironic that I can find acceptable synthetic string material, but so far not for frets. Nylon out of the question. Once I tried KFG, figuring that density was part of the problem- transmission of sound through to the neck (gut denser than nylon, KF & KFG denser than gut; should have worked on that basis) but that didn't sound good either. We've already got enough to worry about, taking instruments across state lines if the wrong wood or dinosaur nuts are involved. Dan On Nov 16, 2011, at 1:09 AM, Anthony Hind wrote: > Dear Lutenists > It does seem that Aquila has decided to stop gut string > production, which is catastrophic for those of us who use loaded guts. > There appears to have been but one remaining legal European source for > gut, and EU laws are making even this problematic, and are preventing a > serious search for new sourcing. > Mimmo now seems to consider that the quality of available gut has gone > down. beyond an acceptable limit. > Whether other European makers are going to follow Aquila, I don't know. > Hopefully, Dan Larson being outside the EU, will not be too effected. > Perhaps Ed can tell us. > Nevertheless, after Sofracob's disappearence, this will be a real blow > to gut users. > I am hoping that aquila will succeed in producing good loaded > synthetics, and that hopefully these will be very close in sound and > feel to present loaded gut, as the feel of the this is perhaps more > effected by the copper powder than by the texture of the gut. > Nevertheless, I do feel a real loss, as I have taken so much pleasure > and interest in Mimmo's experiments with loaded gut, as well as having > strung all my lutes with these basses. > Best wishes > Anthony > __ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
We still use gut in the operating room, usually following treatment with chromic to slow the absorption by the body. I use "chromic gut" all the time. Mind you, I'm already banned from donating blood in the USA for life because I lived in the UK for 2 years. From the suture supplier website: An absorbable, sterile surgical suture composed of purified connective tissue (mostly collagen) derived from either the serosal layer of beef (bovine) or the submucosal fibrous layer of sheep (ovine) intestines. Danny On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:34 AM, Taco Walstra <[1]wals...@science.uva.nl> wrote: On 11/16/2011 11:26 AM, R. Mattes wrote: Yes, I had exactly the same question. Apart from this: is gut not used in many medical situations to string people together after cutting by a surgeon for example, or is this perhaps done these days with other materials (nylgut? ;-) ) Taco On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:08:14 +0100, Luca Manassero wrote Dear List, as Mimmo explains in a video (unfortunately in Italian) on his facebook page, the original beef gut regulation in EU was due to fear of the so-called "mad cow" disease transmission. Excuse my ignorance, but since when are gut strings made out of beef gut? I always assumed that Aquilla's gut strings are made from sheep gut. Cheers, Ralf Mattes -- R. Mattes - Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg [2]r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- References 1. mailto:wals...@science.uva.nl 2. mailto:r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
On 11/16/2011 01:41 PM, Edward Martin wrote: Dan is in the UK at the moment, but I am unaware of any stoppage of gut string making from his shop. He has 4 employees making gut strings, and one is my daughter. I am aware of no lay-off plans. Dan does use beef gut for trebles, simply because they are better, stronger, longer lasting. ed Don't know how the relation is between Dan and mimmo, but wouldn't it be possible to make the loaded gut strings in the USA by Gamutstrings using the recipe of mimmo and pay a small fee to Aquila? Unfortunately Gamutstrings stopped all work in this area, but I really love this kind of strings. even -just as in the old times - they are sometimes not quite well when new (for example in positions), aging etc. But the tonequality is magnificent. Taco -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
My apologies for my last (empty) message-I pressed the wrong button! It is certainly very bad news that Aquila has stopped gut string production. Mimmo certainly deserves our heartfelt thanks for his heroic researches, and I for one feel that the lute world in general could have been more supportive. In fact, he stopped production of the loaded gut (C Type) strings several months ago. I corresponded with him at the time-he mentioned the gut supply problem as well as sheer lack of time, but also seemed disillusioned by the lack of support he had received. The loaded gut strings are the real problem. It seems unlikely that anyone else will follow in his footsteps-the technology behind the loaded gut strings is, according to the Aquila USA website, " protected by U.S. and international patents". http://www.aquilausa.com/c_strings.html It is a major problem for anyone who wants to play on "real" lute strings (as opposed to just making a nice noise!). It is a particular problem for me, as I'm booked to give a talk entitled "21st Century lute technique-a compromise too far?" for the UK Lute Society in February, in which loaded strings play a major part. I have enough strings (for now) but no one else can buy them. Best wishes martin On 15/11/2011 20:43, "Orphenica" wrote: > Dear collective lute wisdom, > > is it true that the production of gut in Europe will be prohibited by > European law? > > As stated on Aquila's web page the production of gut strings and import > of raw materials will be prohibited: > http://www.aquilacorde.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=190&It > emid=1471&lang=en > > I tried to contact the Italian ministry of Health, with no answer by now. > > I cannot believe that we pay bureaucratic douchebags that have nothing > else to do than to make such decisions. > > What will be next? Warning lights on theorbos longer than 1,40m; > mandatory rubber gloves for gut players? > > we > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
On 15/11/2011 20:43, "Orphenica" wrote: > Dear collective lute wisdom, > > is it true that the production of gut in Europe will be prohibited by > European law? > > As stated on Aquila's web page the production of gut strings and import > of raw materials will be prohibited: > http://www.aquilacorde.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=190&It > emid=1471&lang=en > > I tried to contact the Italian ministry of Health, with no answer by now. > > I cannot believe that we pay bureaucratic douchebags that have nothing > else to do than to make such decisions. > > What will be next? Warning lights on theorbos longer than 1,40m; > mandatory rubber gloves for gut players? > > we > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
HAHA!!! - if not "oiled" or perhaps "varnished" . . . From: A.J. Padilla MD To: 'Taco Walstra' ; 'R. Mattes' Cc: 'lute list' Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2011, 12:27 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gut Strings And the patients then emerge from surgery with their problems "rectified." AJP -Original Message- From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Taco Walstra Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:35 AM To: R. Mattes Cc: lute list Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gut Strings On 11/16/2011 11:26 AM, R. Mattes wrote: Yes, I had exactly the same question. Apart from this: is gut not used in many medical situations to string people together after cutting by a surgeon for example, or is this perhaps done these days with other materials (nylgut? ;-) ) Taco > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:08:14 +0100, Luca Manassero wrote >> Dear List, >>as Mimmo explains in a video (unfortunately in Italian) on his >>facebook page, the original beef gut regulation in EU was due to fear >>of the so-called "mad cow" disease transmission. > > Excuse my ignorance, but since when are gut strings made out of beef > gut? I always assumed that Aquilla's gut strings are made from sheep > gut. > > > Cheers, Ralf Mattes > > -- > R. Mattes - > Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg > [3]r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- References 1. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gintzler online - basic questions
On Nov 16, 2011, at 1:20 AM, David Smith wrote: A download turned into PDF is available at [1]http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music. Otherwise you have to download a jpg at a time. Hope this is useful. Useful?!! Darn right it is useful. Very nice. Many thanks for your work! Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [2]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [3]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music 2. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
Dan is in the UK at the moment, but I am unaware of any stoppage of gut string making from his shop. He has 4 employees making gut strings, and one is my daughter. I am aware of no lay-off plans. Dan does use beef gut for trebles, simply because they are better, stronger, longer lasting. ed At 03:09 AM 11/16/2011, Anthony Hind wrote: >Whether other European makers are going to follow Aquila, I don't know. >Hopefully, Dan Larson being outside the EU, will not be too effected. >Perhaps Ed can tell us. Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
And the patients then emerge from surgery with their problems "rectified." AJP -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Taco Walstra Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:35 AM To: R. Mattes Cc: lute list Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gut Strings On 11/16/2011 11:26 AM, R. Mattes wrote: Yes, I had exactly the same question. Apart from this: is gut not used in many medical situations to string people together after cutting by a surgeon for example, or is this perhaps done these days with other materials (nylgut? ;-) ) Taco > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:08:14 +0100, Luca Manassero wrote >> Dear List, >> as Mimmo explains in a video (unfortunately in Italian) on his >> facebook page, the original beef gut regulation in EU was due to fear >> of the so-called "mad cow" disease transmission. > > Excuse my ignorance, but since when are gut strings made out of beef > gut? I always assumed that Aquilla's gut strings are made from sheep > gut. > > > Cheers, Ralf Mattes > > -- > R. Mattes - > Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg > r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
On 11/16/2011 01:08 PM, William Samson wrote: So - I wonder how many people have actually contracted mad cow disease, scrapie, CJD or other related problems? Of them, I wonder how many caught it from the production processes for musical strings? That's my first question. My second question is how many people have died on our roads over the same period? If the answer is what I suspect, whatever happened to perspective and proportion? It's a bit like looking at mediaeval paintings. Grumpy Bill right and the first to die is the stringmaker I assume. Musicians don't eat gut strings only lutes do eat them a lot. The big problem is for the gamba players. At least we have nylgut and other synthetic strings but what about gambas if gut strings will disappear? All the early music bow instrument range would be affected. Francesco Indeed the bowed instruments will certainly suffer. I never heart of a violin/viola player using nylgut by the way (and I do know quite a lot of them in the netherlands). they all use damian, parastro etc. Taco -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
So - I wonder how many people have actually contracted mad cow disease, scrapie, CJD or other related problems? Of them, I wonder how many caught it from the production processes for musical strings? That's my first question. My second question is how many people have died on our roads over the same period? If the answer is what I suspect, whatever happened to perspective and proportion? It's a bit like looking at mediaeval paintings. Grumpy Bill From: Mathias Roesel To: 'lute list' Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2011, 11:46 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gut Strings Well, with sheep, prion disease is called scrapie, isn't it, and it was known long before mad cow disease turned up. Mathias > -Urspruengliche Nachricht- > Von: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im > Auftrag von R. Mattes > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. November 2011 11:27 > An: lute list > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Gut Strings > > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:08:14 +0100, Luca Manassero wrote > > Dear List, > >as Mimmo explains in a video (unfortunately in Italian) on his > >facebook page, the original beef gut regulation in EU was due to fear > >of the so-called "mad cow" disease transmission. > > Excuse my ignorance, but since when are gut strings made out of beef gut? I > always assumed that Aquilla's gut strings are made from sheep gut. > > > Cheers, Ralf Mattes > > -- > R. Mattes - > Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg > [3]r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
Mimmo wrote on facebook that most if not all the string producers use now beef gut, because sheep gut is available only in limited amounts and would not be enough for a sustained production. Beside this he says that to use sheep gut doubles the production time. The use of sheep gut would result then in more expensive strings and there would be a severe shortage. He said also that even for beef it's not so simple to have gut from butcheries as one could think, because the gut needs to be pre-treated and some machinery and people that operate it is needed. So a butchery produces gut only if there is enough request to make it an economically bearable activity and there are very few of them around in the world that do it. The situation might reach a no return point if the request for gut drops to a very low level, because this might reduce the number of producers of raw gut. Consider that in many things gut has been replaced by nylon almost completely, tennis rackets for instance. The big problem is for the gamba players. At least we have nylgut and other synthetic strings but what about gambas if gut strings will disappear? All the early music bow instrument range would be affected. Francesco > -Original Message- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of Taco Walstra > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:35 AM > To: R. Mattes > Cc: lute list > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gut Strings > > On 11/16/2011 11:26 AM, R. Mattes wrote: > > Yes, I had exactly the same question. > Apart from this: is gut not used in many medical situations to string people > together after cutting by a surgeon for example, or is this perhaps done > these days with other materials (nylgut? ;-) ) Taco > > > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:08:14 +0100, Luca Manassero wrote > >> Dear List, > >> as Mimmo explains in a video (unfortunately in Italian) on his > >> facebook page, the original beef gut regulation in EU was due to fear > >> of the so-called "mad cow" disease transmission. > > > > Excuse my ignorance, but since when are gut strings made out of beef > > gut? I always assumed that Aquilla's gut strings are made from sheep > > gut. > > > > > > Cheers, Ralf Mattes > > > > -- > > R. Mattes - > > Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg > > r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > --
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
Well, with sheep, prion disease is called scrapie, isn't it, and it was known long before mad cow disease turned up. Mathias > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im > Auftrag von R. Mattes > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. November 2011 11:27 > An: lute list > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Gut Strings > > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:08:14 +0100, Luca Manassero wrote > > Dear List, > >as Mimmo explains in a video (unfortunately in Italian) on his > >facebook page, the original beef gut regulation in EU was due to fear > >of the so-called "mad cow" disease transmission. > > Excuse my ignorance, but since when are gut strings made out of beef gut? I > always assumed that Aquilla's gut strings are made from sheep gut. > > > Cheers, Ralf Mattes > > -- > R. Mattes - > Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg > r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Quagliati - Toccata Ottavo
hi, I have uploaded a really very very fine Lute Duett for 2 lutes ad secundam! Paolo Quagliati - Toccata Ottavo Originally written for Organ. My intavolation for a-lute and 10-ch g lute is a bit tricky to play but sounds very fine, and can be compared with those one of M. Galileo or perhaps of Kapsberger (Listen my computer mp3 file too!) Enjoy Anton look in the folder 2 lutes new ad secundam To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
> Apart from this: is gut not used in many medical situations to string people > together after cutting by a surgeon for example, or is this perhaps done > these days with other materials (nylgut? ;-) ) Finally we found a good use for nylgut! (And a reason why we can choose different colours. ;-) David - will shut up again -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
On 11/16/2011 11:26 AM, R. Mattes wrote: Yes, I had exactly the same question. Apart from this: is gut not used in many medical situations to string people together after cutting by a surgeon for example, or is this perhaps done these days with other materials (nylgut? ;-) ) Taco On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:08:14 +0100, Luca Manassero wrote Dear List, as Mimmo explains in a video (unfortunately in Italian) on his facebook page, the original beef gut regulation in EU was due to fear of the so-called "mad cow" disease transmission. Excuse my ignorance, but since when are gut strings made out of beef gut? I always assumed that Aquilla's gut strings are made from sheep gut. Cheers, Ralf Mattes -- R. Mattes - Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:08:14 +0100, Luca Manassero wrote > Dear List, >as Mimmo explains in a video (unfortunately in Italian) on his >facebook page, the original beef gut regulation in EU was due to fear >of the so-called "mad cow" disease transmission. Excuse my ignorance, but since when are gut strings made out of beef gut? I always assumed that Aquilla's gut strings are made from sheep gut. Cheers, Ralf Mattes -- R. Mattes - Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
Dear List, as Mimmo explains in a video (unfortunately in Italian) on his facebook page, the original beef gut regulation in EU was due to fear of the so-called "mad cow" disease transmission. In the meantime thou we have discovered that this disease is NOT transmissible and therefore most EU countries have canceled their internal regulation based o the original EU law. Our USA friends should never forget that EU is NOT a country, but a group of countries with independent regaulations and laws. For THAT reason Italy has "forgotten" to cancel madcow regulations and is forcing Mimmo to stop producing gut strings for lack of raw material. Sofracob had the same problem in France a few years ago, but I understand now France has cancelled all madcow related limits on beef gut. We should ALL lobby against this Italian regulation if we want Mimmo to continue producing his very good gut strings: the person to contact is, as stated by Mimmo in his Facebook page, is Dr. Tiziana Serraino ([1]t.serra...@sanita.it). I sent her an e-mail immediately. I believe we should all do so to help ourselves and Mimmo with this ridiculous issue. Luca References 1. mailto:t.serra...@sanita.it To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
It seems fear of BSE transmission. F __ Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu im Auftrag von Hubert Kwisthout Gesendet: Mi 16.11.2011 10:37 An: 'Anthony Hind'; 'Orphenica'; lute Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Gut Strings Dear Lutenists, If the production of gut is going to be banned within the EU, this must be for a particular reason. Thus, it would make sense to find out from the European Commission what the situation is re. the production of gut and the reasons for prohibiting it. If we have found out the rationale, we can then apply/lobby for an exemption. This can be done in a number of different ways, for instance, by contacting our Euro MPs and other representatives, but no doubt we can think of many other things - a flash mob of lute players outside the Brussels offices of the EU, for instance. I don't think there is any reasons for despair as yet: over the years there have been many directives coming from the EU which have given rise to anguish, incredulity, or mirth, but that were actually taken with the best of intentions. It was just that there turned out to be consequences that nobody had foreseen or intended. We cannot deny the fact that the production of gut strings does not constitute a major economic activity and I am sure that the EU commissioners have no idea that this decision would affect musician using this material. So, first steps first: who is going to find out what the actual situation is? Any volunteers? Best wishes, Hubert Kwisthout -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[1]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Hind Sent: 16 November 2011 09:10 To: Orphenica; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gut Strings Dear Lutenists It does seem that Aquila has decided to stop gut string production, which is catastrophic for those of us who use loaded guts. There appears to have been but one remaining legal European source for gut, and EU laws are making even this problematic, and are preventing a serious search for new sourcing. Mimmo now seems to consider that the quality of available gut has gone down. beyond an acceptable limit. Whether other European makers are going to follow Aquila, I don't know. Hopefully, Dan Larson being outside the EU, will not be too effected. Perhaps Ed can tell us. Nevertheless, after Sofracob's disappearence, this will be a real blow to gut users. I am hoping that aquila will succeed in producing good loaded synthetics, and that hopefully these will be very close in sound and feel to present loaded gut, as the feel of the this is perhaps more effected by the copper powder than by the texture of the gut. Nevertheless, I do feel a real loss, as I have taken so much pleasure and interest in Mimmo's experiments with loaded gut, as well as having strung all my lutes with these basses. Best wishes Anthony __ De : Orphenica A : Cc : Lute Net Envoye le : Mardi 15 Novembre 2011 21h43 Objet : [LUTE] Gut Strings Dear collective lute wisdom, is it true that the production of gut in Europe will be prohibited by European law? As stated on Aquila's web page the production of gut strings and import of raw materials will be prohibited: [1][2]http://www.aquilacorde.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=arti cle &id=190&Itemid=1471&lang=en I tried to contact the Italian ministry of Health, with no answer by now. I cannot believe that we pay bureaucratic douchebags that have nothing else to do than to make such decisions. What will be next? Warning lights on theorbos longer than 1,40m; mandatory rubber gloves for gut players? we To get on or off this list see list information at [2][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [4]http://www.aquilacorde.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article &id=190& Itemid=1471&lang=en 2. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4618 - Release Date: 11/15/11 -- References 1. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. http://www.aquilacorde.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.aquilacorde.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=190&; 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
Dear Lutenists, If the production of gut is going to be banned within the EU, this must be for a particular reason. Thus, it would make sense to find out from the European Commission what the situation is re. the production of gut and the reasons for prohibiting it. If we have found out the rationale, we can then apply/lobby for an exemption. This can be done in a number of different ways, for instance, by contacting our Euro MPs and other representatives, but no doubt we can think of many other things - a flash mob of lute players outside the Brussels offices of the EU, for instance. I don't think there is any reasons for despair as yet: over the years there have been many directives coming from the EU which have given rise to anguish, incredulity, or mirth, but that were actually taken with the best of intentions. It was just that there turned out to be consequences that nobody had foreseen or intended. We cannot deny the fact that the production of gut strings does not constitute a major economic activity and I am sure that the EU commissioners have no idea that this decision would affect musician using this material. So, first steps first: who is going to find out what the actual situation is? Any volunteers? Best wishes, Hubert Kwisthout -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Hind Sent: 16 November 2011 09:10 To: Orphenica; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gut Strings Dear Lutenists It does seem that Aquila has decided to stop gut string production, which is catastrophic for those of us who use loaded guts. There appears to have been but one remaining legal European source for gut, and EU laws are making even this problematic, and are preventing a serious search for new sourcing. Mimmo now seems to consider that the quality of available gut has gone down. beyond an acceptable limit. Whether other European makers are going to follow Aquila, I don't know. Hopefully, Dan Larson being outside the EU, will not be too effected. Perhaps Ed can tell us. Nevertheless, after Sofracob's disappearence, this will be a real blow to gut users. I am hoping that aquila will succeed in producing good loaded synthetics, and that hopefully these will be very close in sound and feel to present loaded gut, as the feel of the this is perhaps more effected by the copper powder than by the texture of the gut. Nevertheless, I do feel a real loss, as I have taken so much pleasure and interest in Mimmo's experiments with loaded gut, as well as having strung all my lutes with these basses. Best wishes Anthony __ De : Orphenica A : Cc : Lute Net Envoye le : Mardi 15 Novembre 2011 21h43 Objet : [LUTE] Gut Strings Dear collective lute wisdom, is it true that the production of gut in Europe will be prohibited by European law? As stated on Aquila's web page the production of gut strings and import of raw materials will be prohibited: [1]http://www.aquilacorde.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article &id=190&Itemid=1471&lang=en I tried to contact the Italian ministry of Health, with no answer by now. I cannot believe that we pay bureaucratic douchebags that have nothing else to do than to make such decisions. What will be next? Warning lights on theorbos longer than 1,40m; mandatory rubber gloves for gut players? we To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.aquilacorde.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=190&; Itemid=1471&lang=en 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4618 - Release Date: 11/15/11
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
Here is an interesting article: http://gamutmusic.squarespace.com/news/new-beef-gut-strings.html The beef gut comes from Ireland. > Dear collective lute wisdom, > > is it true that the production of gut in Europe will be prohibited by > European law? > > As stated on Aquila's web page the production of gut strings and import > of raw materials will be prohibited: > http://www.aquilacorde.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=190&Itemid=1471&lang=en > > I tried to contact the Italian ministry of Health, with no answer by now. > > I cannot believe that we pay bureaucratic douchebags that have nothing > else to do than to make such decisions. > > What will be next? Warning lights on theorbos longer than 1,40m; > mandatory rubber gloves for gut players? > > we > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- __ Anthony Hart MSc, LLCM,ALCM. Musicologist and Independent Researcher Highrise Court 'B', Apt 2, Tigne' Street, Sliema, SLM3174, MALTA Tel: +356 27014791; Mob: +356 9944 9552. e-mail: resea...@antoninoreggio.com; web: www.monsignor-reggio.com
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
A very serious blow. How are other string makers affected? David On 15 November 2011 21:43, Orphenica wrote: > Dear collective lute wisdom, > > is it true that the production of gut in Europe will be prohibited by > European law? > > As stated on Aquila's web page the production of gut strings and import of > raw materials will be prohibited: > http://www.aquilacorde.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=190&Itemid=1471&lang=en > > I tried to contact the Italian ministry of Health, with no answer by now. > > I cannot believe that we pay bureaucratic douchebags that have nothing else > to do than to make such decisions. > > What will be next? Warning lights on theorbos longer than 1,40m; mandatory > rubber gloves for gut players? > > we > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
Dear Lutenists It does seem that Aquila has decided to stop gut string production, which is catastrophic for those of us who use loaded guts. There appears to have been but one remaining legal European source for gut, and EU laws are making even this problematic, and are preventing a serious search for new sourcing. Mimmo now seems to consider that the quality of available gut has gone down. beyond an acceptable limit. Whether other European makers are going to follow Aquila, I don't know. Hopefully, Dan Larson being outside the EU, will not be too effected. Perhaps Ed can tell us. Nevertheless, after Sofracob's disappearence, this will be a real blow to gut users. I am hoping that aquila will succeed in producing good loaded synthetics, and that hopefully these will be very close in sound and feel to present loaded gut, as the feel of the this is perhaps more effected by the copper powder than by the texture of the gut. Nevertheless, I do feel a real loss, as I have taken so much pleasure and interest in Mimmo's experiments with loaded gut, as well as having strung all my lutes with these basses. Best wishes Anthony __ De : Orphenica A : Cc : Lute Net Envoye le : Mardi 15 Novembre 2011 21h43 Objet : [LUTE] Gut Strings Dear collective lute wisdom, is it true that the production of gut in Europe will be prohibited by European law? As stated on Aquila's web page the production of gut strings and import of raw materials will be prohibited: [1]http://www.aquilacorde.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article &id=190&Itemid=1471&lang=en I tried to contact the Italian ministry of Health, with no answer by now. I cannot believe that we pay bureaucratic douchebags that have nothing else to do than to make such decisions. What will be next? Warning lights on theorbos longer than 1,40m; mandatory rubber gloves for gut players? we To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.aquilacorde.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=190&Itemid=1471&lang=en 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
