[LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition, period colons etc.
Perhaps if you intestine-twiddlers would give a listen to this you may amend your aberrant ways: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxVzNZVflL8 I hope I have the link right... :-) Garry -Original Message- From: A.J. Padilla MD Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:07 PM To: 'corvo di bassetto' ; 'Lute List' Subject: [LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition, period colons etc. I had considered suggesting we make strings from politician guts instead, but alas, I assume that in Europe they're as gutless as they are here in the US. AJP -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of corvo di bassetto Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 7:53 PM To: Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition, period colons etc. Dear luters in the authentic gutter, I wrote to Nick Baldock (Kathedrale) some days ago asking him for a statement; no reply so far (maybe he strangled himself in despair with his last gut; or maybe he fell victim to the prions). Yet my butcher told me, sausages in beef gut are still available (in Germany). These sausages figure prominently in the morbid food rites of the local savages. They are so unbelievably vile that mad cow disease will actually relieve the suffering of those who ate them, hence the exception to the EU law. I changed to silk strings for the upper registers years ago and still play many of Baldock's large intestines now 8–10 years old on lutes and viols; we once joked about the future in which luters shunning anachronisms will have to resort to sausage casings for strings… Best regards danyel Am 21.11.2011 um 18:55 schrieb Anthony Hind: Dear Martyn I am grateful to Charles Besnainou (who is a French research person on strings of all sorts) for helping me to understand this situation a little better. Charles learnt gut string making from Sofracob, and he had an excellent relation with its director M. Lenoble. He tells me that far from closing because he wasn't making enough profit, M. Lenoble actually returned to direct the company after retirement just to try to steer it out of debt. He was proud to have managed to close without owing anything. Although he was very sad to have closed a company that once had 150 workers. % Charles also tells me that the problem would be exactly the same for Sofracob at the moment if they still existed. % Perhaps, one thing he told me clarifies how it could be that these rulings for BSE could have been extended to musical string making. In fact, Sofracob also made medical catgut, and of course this would be directly in contact with the inside of the body (whereas musical gut usually remains outside, except possibly if you were to lick it before passing it through the bridge). I am not certain about that, but it seems logically possible, that the ruling was for both surgical and musical strings treated together. The ruling was against Prions, and of course sheep gut can also contain Prions (from Scrapes), so I assume it applied to all gut types. % I appologise for not being able to give legal interpretations of the BSE rulings. I did read some of them, but am no legal eagle. I am myself struggling to understand the issues. % I don't think it would be advisable to make any specific statements about which string makers might be more in danger. This would only plunge them into more difficulty (hopefully, none ar at risk right now). % I am certainly not in favour of taking risks with BSE, but, as I said above, I can only understand the exaggerated application of these rules to string making by its historical association with surgical gut. I believe there is no more surgical gut in the EU, so it would seem time to loosen these applications. However, if you read the petition, it is suggested that health specialists be involved with altering the application of these rules. Best regards Anthony De : Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk À : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com Envoyé le : Lundi 21 Novembre 2011 12h55 Objet : [LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition etc. Thank you for this Anthony, I am not particularly sceptical but, like some others, find a certain lack of clarity in the position. Your description of how and why Sofracob went out of business is that they 'could no longer source sufficient raw gut' not that they were unable to source raw gut at all. The implication from your other recent mailings is that this was because the EU regulations had reduced if not entirely eliminated their ability to source raw gut. But I had earlier believed that Sofracob's decision was purely commercial - on the grounds of reduced profit margins - perhaps by having to pay more to 'source sufficient raw gut'. Maybe the same considerations apply to Aquila? Regarding BSE, perhaps there is a case to only source safely produced gut (if not for the
[LUTE] Re: MIM's one lute
Theo: Thanks for bringing this museum to our attention. Looks like they have a quite new and fancy building based on what we can see in the photo gallery. Indeed if we are to judge from the photos, they are more proud of the building than they are of their collection.Interestingly, of the few musical instruments that are seen up close, a large majority are fretted plucked strings -- lutes by the organological definition -- and there is what appears to be a historical theorbo being poked at by one of the staff. Regards, Daniel -- Original Message -- From: theoj89...@aol.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] MIM's one lute Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:02:47 -0500 (EST) I just had the great pleasure of visiting MIM - the recently opened Musical Instrument Museum - in Phoenix, Arizona, USA. It is a beautiful and spacious museum. Music traditions from all around the world are displayed by region or country with authentic instruments and many fascinating field videos showing the amazing artistry and musical expression of our fellow humans of every culture. http://www.themim.org/ Although the museum has oodles of Ouds, and Guitars galore, they - sadly - have only one lone Lute on display: a 10 course lute made by Mathias Durvie, Paris, 1974. It is ironic that there are many lutes in europe that remain in the museum storage rooms for lack of exhibit space, yet (although I cannot speak for the museum) MIM seem to have plenty of exhibit space... but only one lute :( -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: MIM's one lute
I ran into people from the MIM several years ago at a music conference. We discussed lutes, which they seemed to know nothing about, but they were very clear that they were happy to add lutes to their museum if I could find them some that would be donated. They run an interesting world music concert series, but not early music as far as I know. Recently I got an email that they are currently looking for a new Executive Director, so perhaps their focus will change a bit. Nancy Thanks for bringing this museum to our attention. Looks like they have a quite new and fancy building based on what we can see in the photo gallery. Indeed if we are to judge from the photos, they are more proud of the building than they are of their collection.Interestingly, of the few musical instruments that are seen up close, a large majority are fretted plucked strings -- lutes by the organological definition -- and there is what appears to be a historical theorbo being poked at by one of the staff. Regards, Daniel -- Original Message -- From: theoj89...@aol.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] MIM's one lute Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:02:47 -0500 (EST) I just had the great pleasure of visiting MIM - the recently opened Musical Instrument Museum - in Phoenix, Arizona, USA. It is a beautiful and spacious museum. Music traditions from all around the world are displayed by region or country with authentic instruments and many fascinating field videos showing the amazing artistry and musical expression of our fellow humans of every culture. [1]http://www.themim.org/ Although the museum has oodles of Ouds, and Guitars galore, they - sadly - have only one lone Lute on display: a 10 course lute made by Mathias Durvie, Paris, 1974. It is ironic that there are many lutes in europe that remain in the museum storage rooms for lack of exhibit space, yet (although I cannot speak for the museum) MIM seem to have plenty of exhibit space... but only one lute :( -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Nancy Carlin Associates P.O. Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA phone 925/686-5800 fax 925/680-2582 web sites - [3]www.nancycarlinassociates.com [4]www.groundsanddivisions.info Representing: FROM WALES - Crasdant Carreg Lafar, FROM ENGLAND - Jez Lowe Jez Lowe The Bad Pennies, and now representing EARLY MUSIC - The Venere Lute Quartet, The Good Pennyworths Morrongiello Young Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA web site - [5]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org -- References 1. http://www.themim.org/ 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/ 4. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 5. http://lutesocietyofamerica.org/
[LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras
Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras passed away. A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Montreal A On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Edward Mast [1]nedma...@aol.com wrote: Said, I trust, with tongue firmly in cheek . . . On Nov 23, 2011, at 4:14 AM, Garry Warber wrote: Perhaps if you intestine-twiddlers would give a listen to this you may amend your aberrant ways: [2]http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxVzNZVflL8 I hope I have the link right... :-) Garry To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [4]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 2. http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxVzNZVflL8 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras
Alas! Eugene C. Braig IV Assistant Director Ohio Sea Grant College Program, F.T. Stone Laboratory, CLEAR, and GLAERC The Ohio State University Area 100 Research Center 1314 Kinnear Rd. Columbus, OH 43212 Phone: 614-247-6684 FAX: 614-292-4364 e-mail: brai...@osu.edu http://ohioseagrant.osu.edu/ http://stonelab.osu.edu/ http://senr.osu.edu/facview.asp?id=3503 -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Bruno Fournier Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:48 PM To: Edward Mast Cc: Garry Warber; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras passed away. A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Montreal A On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Edward Mast [1]nedma...@aol.com wrote: Said, I trust, with tongue firmly in cheek . . . On Nov 23, 2011, at 4:14 AM, Garry Warber wrote: Perhaps if you intestine-twiddlers would give a listen to this you may amend your aberrant ways: [2]http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxVzNZVflL8 I hope I have the link right... :-) Garry To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [4]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 2. http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxVzNZVflL8 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras
Sad indeed - an exciting performer. On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote: Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras passed away. Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Montreal -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras
Sad indeed. she can't have been that old. Monica - Original Message - From: Bruno Fournier br...@estavel.org To: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com Cc: Garry Warber garrywar...@hughes.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:48 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras passed away. A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Montreal A On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Edward Mast [1]nedma...@aol.com wrote: Said, I trust, with tongue firmly in cheek . . . On Nov 23, 2011, at 4:14 AM, Garry Warber wrote: Perhaps if you intestine-twiddlers would give a listen to this you may amend your aberrant ways: [2]http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxVzNZVflL8 I hope I have the link right... :-) Garry To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [4]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 2. http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxVzNZVflL8 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras
On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Monica Hall wrote: Sad indeed. she can't have been that old. She was 69 -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] TRe: Montserrat Figueras
This is a very sad day... A most beautiful woman, voice and soul. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Edward Mast Envoyé : mercredi 23 novembre 2011 20:46 À : Bruno Fournier Cc : Garry Warber; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras Sad indeed - an exciting performer. On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote: Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras passed away. Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Montreal -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition, period colons etc.
Why, was them fightin' words? :-) No, actually, I don't care what you use... I just am starting to look askance at the brouhaha over the EU ban thing. It doesn’t matter what instrument you use or how it's set up. How you play what you have is the thing, correct? I still think you guys should think here kitty, kitty... After all, they aren't just for stir-fry anymore! -Original Message- From: Edward Mast Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:43 PM To: Garry Warber Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition, period colons etc. Said, I trust, with tongue firmly in cheek . . . On Nov 23, 2011, at 4:14 AM, Garry Warber wrote: Perhaps if you intestine-twiddlers would give a listen to this you may amend your aberrant ways: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxVzNZVflL8 I hope I have the link right... :-) Garry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: TRe: Montserrat Figueras
Sad, very sad. With 69 years. I didn´t know how often I heard her canti della sibilla W. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Sauvage Valéry Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. November 2011 21:34 An: 'Lute List' Betreff: [LUTE] TRe: Montserrat Figueras This is a very sad day... A most beautiful woman, voice and soul. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Edward Mast Envoyé : mercredi 23 novembre 2011 20:46 À : Bruno Fournier Cc : Garry Warber; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras Sad indeed - an exciting performer. On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote: Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras passed away. Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Montreal -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition, period colons etc.
Old Japanese saying: When the wind blows, the cats disappear. s On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Garry Warber wrote: Why, was them fightin' words? :-) No, actually, I don't care what you use... I just am starting to look askance at the brouhaha over the EU ban thing. It doesn’t matter what instrument you use or how it's set up. How you play what you have is the thing, correct? I still think you guys should think here kitty, kitty... After all, they aren't just for stir-fry anymore! -Original Message- From: Edward Mast Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:43 PM To: Garry Warber Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition, period colons etc. Said, I trust, with tongue firmly in cheek . . . On Nov 23, 2011, at 4:14 AM, Garry Warber wrote: Perhaps if you intestine-twiddlers would give a listen to this you may amend your aberrant ways: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxVzNZVflL8 I hope I have the link right... :-) Garry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: TRe: Montserrat Figueras
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiHGmTaUT8 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: wolfgang wiehe [mailto:wie-w...@gmx.de] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. November 2011 21:45 An: 'Sauvage Valéry'; 'Lute List' Betreff: AW: [LUTE] TRe: Montserrat Figueras Sad, very sad. With 69 years. I didn´t know how often I heard her canti della sibilla W. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Sauvage Valéry Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. November 2011 21:34 An: 'Lute List' Betreff: [LUTE] TRe: Montserrat Figueras This is a very sad day... A most beautiful woman, voice and soul. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Edward Mast Envoyé : mercredi 23 novembre 2011 20:46 À : Bruno Fournier Cc : Garry Warber; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras Sad indeed - an exciting performer. On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote: Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras passed away. Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Montreal -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras
Sad indeed - an exciting performer. On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote: Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras passed away. Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Montreal On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com wrote: Said, I trust, with tongue firmly in cheek . . . On Nov 23, 2011, at 4:14 AM, Garry Warber wrote: Perhaps if you intestine-twiddlers would give a listen to this you may amend your aberrant ways: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxVzNZVflL8 I hope I have the link right... :-) Garry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier www.estavel.org --
[LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition, period colons etc.
When the wind blows the cats disappear Walking away smiling lute player (?) -Original Message- From: Sean Smith Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 3:43 PM To: lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition, period colons etc. Old Japanese saying: When the wind blows, the cats disappear. s On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Garry Warber wrote: Why, was them fightin' words? :-) No, actually, I don't care what you use... I just am starting to look askance at the brouhaha over the EU ban thing. It doesn’t matter what instrument you use or how it's set up. How you play what you have is the thing, correct? I still think you guys should think here kitty, kitty... After all, they aren't just for stir-fry anymore! -Original Message- From: Edward Mast Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:43 PM To: Garry Warber Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition, period colons etc. Said, I trust, with tongue firmly in cheek . . . On Nov 23, 2011, at 4:14 AM, Garry Warber wrote: Perhaps if you intestine-twiddlers would give a listen to this you may amend your aberrant ways: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxVzNZVflL8 I hope I have the link right... :-) Garry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition, period colons etc.
Well, I would say not completely correct. The video you reference shows that the instrument used and its set up, as well as the way it's played, matter a great deal. On Nov 23, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Garry Warber wrote: Why, was them fightin' words? :-) No, actually, I don't care what you use... I just am starting to look askance at the brouhaha over the EU ban thing. It doesn’t matter what instrument you use or how it's set up. How you play what you have is the thing, correct? I still think you guys should think here kitty, kitty... After all, they aren't just for stir-fry anymore! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition, period colons etc.
It's not a haiku yet. Keep working. Dan (Oh yes, fine performance- very good, deeply felt playing. The lute sounded great, would've sounded even better in gut. The cat's meow, don't cha know...)
[LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras
What a sad event. My sympathies to Jordi and family. On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Edward Mast wrote: Sad indeed - an exciting performer. On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote: Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras passed away. Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Montreal On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com wrote: Said, I trust, with tongue firmly in cheek . . . On Nov 23, 2011, at 4:14 AM, Garry Warber wrote: Perhaps if you intestine-twiddlers would give a listen to this you may amend your aberrant ways: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxVzNZVflL8 I hope I have the link right... :-) Garry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier www.estavel.org --
[LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras
May I correct: she was born in 1948, so she was 63, not 69 Yes, sad news... Saludos from Barcelona Manolo El 23/11/2011, a las 20:44, Edward Mast escribió: Sad indeed - an exciting performer. On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote: Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras passed away. Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Montreal On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com wrote: Said, I trust, with tongue firmly in cheek . . . On Nov 23, 2011, at 4:14 AM, Garry Warber wrote: Perhaps if you intestine-twiddlers would give a listen to this you may amend your aberrant ways: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxVzNZVflL8 I hope I have the link right... :-) Garry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier www.estavel.org --
[LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras
On Nov 23, 2011, at 4:30 PM, ml wrote: May I correct: she was born in 1948, so she was 63, not 69 15 March 1942, according to everything I've seen. See: http://www.gramophone.co.uk/classical-music-news/montserrat-figueras-has-died The Savall/Figueras website home page says In Memoriam Montserrat Figueras 1942-2011 See: http://www.alia-vox.com/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
