[LUTE] Re: Recorder and Lute
On Apr 3, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Tobiah wrote: > How are the timelines of these instruments > related, and what pieces include both instruments? Are you asking what music was originally specified by the composer for an instrumentation that included lute and recorder? Or what music can be done with a combination that includes lute and recorder? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Recorder and Lute
I should think Ortiz' variations on chansons and madrigals would be fair game. Dalla Cassa is a lot of fun if only because they're so difficult for the melody instrument. Giovanni Bassano, too, but since he comes from a family of traverso makers there are probably those who would take issue with me but they are lovely. And by extension most chansons from mid/late-16th century (giving the top voice to the soprano recorder and the lower 3 --or even alto and bass-- to the lute) are easily doable. It usually means arranging it yourself but that's part of playing the lute. My current favorite is Crecquillon but Sermisy, Certon, Jannequin, non Papa, Lasso, deRore and Pathie have all been flavors of the month at some time or another. Any decent music/university library (and now the web!) will have scores. If you're in a purchasing mood, London Pro Musica scores are wonderful and often have a lute tab page for us grand-staff cripples. The Attagnant 1529 Tres breve et Familiere Introduction are songs of this ilk and are all ready to go. Even in the facsimile you luck out by having it set usually for a G lute and a G clef for the singer/ melody instrument. The Phalese 1553 is another good source for mid- century lutesongs but often various clefs and/or lute sizes are specified (but not written in stone so somebody gets to transpose). My 1.9 cents. Please round down in Canada. Sean On Apr 3, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Tobiah wrote: How are the timelines of these instruments related, and what pieces include both instruments? Thanks, Tobiah To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Recorder and Lute
How are the timelines of these instruments related, and what pieces include both instruments? Thanks, Tobiah To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: miking a lute/theorbo
Dear All, In my limited experience, too-close miking leads to boomey, guttural distortion. Some pros recommend 10 feet (or 3 meters) away, and 10 feet up. This, of course is based on having a good acoustic environment to start with. Cheers, Jim Stimson On 04/03/12, Brad Walton wrote: Hello folks, On the weekend I recorded two pieces in a professional recording studio. I was accompanying a singer on the theorbo. The recording engineer aimed two mikes quite close to the body of the theorbo. On the recording, the sound of the theorbo is very tinny and distorted, and bears almost no similarity to the natural/ acoustic sound of the instrument. Has anybody had experience with miking a lute or theorbo for recording? What mike placement gave you the best results so far as concerned fidelity to the natural sound of the instrument? Thanks, Brad To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/
[LUTE] Re: miking a lute/theorbo
On 3 April 2012 18:05, Brad Walton wrote: > On the weekend I recorded two pieces in a professional recording studio. I .. > On the recording, the sound of the theorbo is very tinny and distorted, and > bears almost no similarity to the natural/ acoustic sound of the instrument. So much for the 'professional recording studio' ... What is more important than the studio or the equipment, is the ear of the engineer. What does he want to record? If he has a preconceived idea of what a theorbo should shound, that is what he will put on tape. So, talk to the man, play for him, let him listen to what you think your theorbo should sound like. Listen to the test recordings, discuss things you would like differently, and keep coming back till you're both happy. Setting up the mics just rigth can take a lot of time, but it is time well spent. I have made many recordings, over 30 cds with many different profffessional engineers with _very_ fancy mics, and many more recordings with less professional people with very ordinary mics, but the people I could talk to, and discuss with what I like about my sound, made the best recordings, whatever their equipment. There is no one way to record a lute. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: miking a lute/theorbo
I recently recorded a CD with Christmas music in a studio in Hungary and I can tell you they get the sound of the theorbo as beautiful as possible. I really don't know what kind of microphone they used but it was a huge one about 40 cm from the soundboard and a smaller one about 20 cm from the fretboard. In that way the sound was very natural and the CD listened on a HI-FI stuff it's like a real live one... I think it's also a matter of preamps (they were using some tube preamps and amps...). Shure, AKG and Sennheiser are among the best what you can find on "normal" prices. Shure is my favorite. --- On Tue, 4/3/12, Brad Walton wrote: > From: Brad Walton > Subject: [LUTE] miking a lute/theorbo > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 7:05 PM > Hello folks, > > > On the weekend I recorded two pieces in a professional > recording studio. I was accompanying a singer on the > theorbo. The recording engineer aimed two mikes quite > close to the body of the theorbo. > > > On the recording, the sound of the theorbo is very tinny and > distorted, and bears almost no similarity to the natural/ > acoustic sound of the instrument. > > > Has anybody had experience with miking a lute or theorbo for > recording? What mike placement gave you the best > results so far as concerned fidelity to the natural sound of > the instrument? > > > Thanks, > > > Brad > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: miking a lute/theorbo
Hi Brad, if you could post an excerpt somewhere I'd probably be able to tell you what was going on with your recording. "Tinny and Distorted" doesn't immediately give the impression of "mic too close". A wild guess might be that the mics were out of phase with each other, that is one would have been "wired the wrong way round" so that the 2 mics cancelled each other, rather than working together. I'd probably start with the mic about 18inches from the instrument, on the midline of the soundboard and just to the neck side of the rose, I never recorded theorbo before so like Eugene says I'd try a number of tests to get the right placement. andy butler (sound engineer for many years, lute player for too few) Brad Walton wrote: Hello folks, On the weekend I recorded two pieces in a professional recording studio. I was accompanying a singer on the theorbo. The recording engineer aimed two mikes quite close to the body of the theorbo. On the recording, the sound of the theorbo is very tinny and distorted, and bears almost no similarity to the natural/ acoustic sound of the instrument. Has anybody had experience with miking a lute or theorbo for recording? What mike placement gave you the best results so far as concerned fidelity to the natural sound of the instrument? Thanks, Brad To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: miking a lute/theorbo
David Tayler is someone who could offer good advice; his recordings are very natural sounding. David . . .? On Apr 3, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Brad Walton wrote: > Hello folks, > > > On the weekend I recorded two pieces in a professional recording studio. I > was accompanying a singer on the theorbo. The recording engineer aimed two > mikes quite close to the body of the theorbo. > > > On the recording, the sound of the theorbo is very tinny and distorted, and > bears almost no similarity to the natural/ acoustic sound of the instrument. > > > Has anybody had experience with miking a lute or theorbo for recording? What > mike placement gave you the best results so far as concerned fidelity to the > natural sound of the instrument? > > > Thanks, > > > Brad > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: miking a lute/theorbo
It may depend on many things (mic type, room acoustic, sound projection of your lute etc). So it's better to spend some time for several short sound-tests with different mic placing. But no close distances from mic to lute. Try somthing around 1,5-3 meters. 2012/4/3 Brad Walton <[1]gtung.wal...@utoronto.ca> Hello folks, On the weekend I recorded two pieces in a professional recording studio. I was accompanying a singer on the theorbo. The recording engineer aimed two mikes quite close to the body of the theorbo. On the recording, the sound of the theorbo is very tinny and distorted, and bears almost no similarity to the natural/ acoustic sound of the instrument. Has anybody had experience with miking a lute or theorbo for recording? What mike placement gave you the best results so far as concerned fidelity to the natural sound of the instrument? Thanks, Brad To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:gtung.wal...@utoronto.ca 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] miking a lute/theorbo
Hello folks, On the weekend I recorded two pieces in a professional recording studio. I was accompanying a singer on the theorbo. The recording engineer aimed two mikes quite close to the body of the theorbo. On the recording, the sound of the theorbo is very tinny and distorted, and bears almost no similarity to the natural/ acoustic sound of the instrument. Has anybody had experience with miking a lute or theorbo for recording? What mike placement gave you the best results so far as concerned fidelity to the natural sound of the instrument? Thanks, Brad To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Holborne
Hello Bruno, I have The Complete Works of Anthony Holborne, Vol. 1, Music for Lute & Bandora, Harvard University Press Edited by Masakata Kanazawa. Included is Lute Pavan No. 2. If you like I can scan and send you a copy. Since the lute tablature alternates with staff notation, it would be 5 pages. Best, Ned On Apr 3, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Bruno Correia wrote: > Does anybody has Holborne's Pavan 2. I have a pdf version from > Gerbode's site but I'd love to check the original tablature. > > > > Best wishes. > -- > > Bruno Correia > > > > Pesquisador autonomo da pratica e interpretac,ao > > historicamente informada no alaude e teorba. > > Doutor em Praticas Interpretativas pela > > Universidade Federal do Estado do Rio de Janeiro. > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
