[LUTE] Re: Haslemere ms.

2012-04-04 Thread Nancy Carlin
   If anyone who is not a member of the LSA would like a copy of that
   Quarterly, I ahve a few spares. Email with your street address if you
   want a copy.
   Nancy
   At 03:13 PM 4/4/2012, Denys Stephens wrote:

 Dear Sean,
 There isn't a facsimile of the manuscript, but there is an excellent
 article
 about it by John H Robinson and some transcriptions in the Fall 2009
 LSAQ.
 It would be worth enquiring with the Dolmetsch foundation to see if
 they
 have a microfilm.
 Best wishes,
 Denys
 -Original Message-
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 Of Sean Smith
 Sent: 04 April 2012 20:14
 To: lute
 Subject: [LUTE] Haslemere ms.
 Jacob Heringman writes about the similarity of the scribes between
 the
 Siena ms. and a Haslemere manuscript  in the booklet that
 accompanies
 his recording of the former. Is this available?
 "Dolmetsch Library in Haslemere (MS II C23)"
 many thanks in advance,
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[LUTE] Re: Haslemere ms.

2012-04-04 Thread Sean Smith


Dear Denys and Arthur,

Thank you for the leads. I will ask about the possibility of a  
microfilm.


It's interesting that the Haslemere is not connected to the Siena  
after all. Indeed the Siena looks like a professional undertaking with  
specific requests as to its contents and looks to be done for the most  
part at one sitting. I was very intrigued by the possibility of  
Vestiva colli and others intabulated in the same style as the vocal  
works in Siena.


best regards,
Sean



On Apr 4, 2012, at 3:22 PM, A. J. Ness wrote:

Dear Sean,

The handwriting is NOT the same! Jacob was writing when in some  
quarters

the mss were thought to have the same scribe.  The person who made that
claim realized in 1999 that he was mistaken, and has since corrected
himself.

The manuscript in question, by the way, is Ms II.C.23 in the Dolmetsch
Library at Haslemere, which was most likely copied by several different
scribes in Savona for a member of the della Robbia family, and came to
Florence
as dowry around 1634 when Vittoria II della Robbia (daughter of the last
Duke of Urbino) married Ferdinando II dei Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany.

The Siena manuscript in The Hague is named according to information on  
the

engraved spine on the 19th-century binding which reads "Italienische
Lautentabulatur gefunden in
Siena 1863 F[ranz] G[ehring--the purchaser]." It has a Siena watermark  
and a

layer of pieces by Siennese lutenist/composers. Its careful, uniform
paleography suggests that it was copied in a music scriptorium by one
professional scribe.

See the detailed autopsy report with concordances on the Haslemere
MS made *in situ* by John
H. Robinson (with notes by Robert Spencer)
and published in the Dolmetsch journal *The Consort* 26 (2006).

AJN.
- Original Message - From: "Sean Smith" 
To: "lute" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 3:14 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Haslemere ms.




Jacob Heringman writes about the similarity of the scribes between the
Siena ms. and a Haslemere manuscript  in the booklet that  
accompanies  his

recording of the former. Is this available?

"Dolmetsch Library in Haslemere (MS II C23)"

many thanks in advance,

Sean




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[LUTE] Re: miking a lute/theorbo

2012-04-04 Thread David Tayler
   Well, yesss, we can take it to extremes!
   But four mics is really ten times better than two, and you don't need
   more than six, and you can make a very, very good recording with two if
   you are willing
   to spend time on the placement to get it really perfect.
   Fortunately, it is all going to video now, and so the audio has to be
   good, but not as good. No need to fill in the image, the image is
   there.
   dt
 __

   From: Christopher Wilke 
   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Brad Walton 
   Sent: Wed, April 4, 2012 10:55:36 AM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: miking a lute/theorbo
   Recipe for a really super natural lute sound:
 1) Use 20-50 prohibitively expensive mics.
 2) Place them at least 415 feet away from the instrument.
 3) Arrange them in an incredibly intricate array involving rigging
   from
 a chemistry lab reminiscent of a bad sci-fi movie. (Be sure to record
 in no less than four channels.)
 4) After recording, digitally manipulate the product with at least
   4000
 edits, taking special care to remove all aspects of the natural sound
 you don't actually mean to be heard (finger noises, fret buzz, the
   real
 sound your lute makes, etc.).
 5) Liberally slather "La cathedrale engloutie" reverb all over the
 finished product.
 6) Serve, relishing how your colleagues will compliment you on
   sounding
 so natural it is even better than the real thing.
 Chris
 Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
 Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
 [1]www.christopherwilke.com
 --- On Tue, 4/3/12, Brad Walton <[2]gtung.wal...@utoronto.ca> wrote:
   From: Brad Walton <[3]gtung.wal...@utoronto.ca>
   Subject: [LUTE] miking a lute/theorbo
   To: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 12:05 PM
 Hello folks,
 On the weekend I recorded two pieces in a professional recording
 studio.  I was accompanying a singer on the theorbo.  The recording
 engineer aimed two mikes quite close to the body of the theorbo.
 On the recording, the sound of the theorbo is very tinny and
   distorted,
 and bears almost no similarity to the natural/ acoustic sound of the
 instrument.
 Has anybody had experience with miking a lute or theorbo for
 recording?  What mike placement gave you the best results so far as
 concerned fidelity to the natural sound of the instrument?
 Thanks,
 Brad
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[LUTE] Re: Basic home miking a lute to computer?

2012-04-04 Thread David Tayler
   A studio projects B1 is the best under $100 mic for lute.
   Any computer interface will provide power and connect to your computer.
   An eight channel Mackie Onyx Blackbird for $400 will give the
   possibility to expand to more mics if you wish, the same interface is
   available in two channels as well.
 __

   From: Daniel Winheld 
   To: Lute List 
   Sent: Wed, April 4, 2012 8:50:11 AM
   Subject: [LUTE] Basic home miking a lute to computer?
   Ratcheting down to basic & cheep home miking for idiots- (or cavemen):
   No doubt this ground has been covered before, but I need a refresher
   tutorial.
   Opinions of the Samson C01U USB Studio Condenser for a quick, easy home
   recording to the iMac? I already own one, but suggestions for
   affordable improvements couldn't hurt.
   Any favorite apps/programs/software preferences welcomed. My hard drive
   crashed last year and I am starting from scratch all over again. (Mac
   OS X, version 10.6.8) I haven't recorded in a few years and am now
   ready to get back into action. (The single malt chaser is already taken
   care of. Laphroaig 18 year old)
   Much appreciated, Dan
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[LUTE] Re: miking a lute/theorbo

2012-04-04 Thread Edward C. Yong

THAT is the way to go!

i am reminded of how a Russian composer (i forget which) who'd moved  
to the USA after the Soviet Revolution, couldn't afford gramophone  
needles and made do with whatever needly-pinny-thingies he could find.  
when asked how he could abide such terrible sound, he said something  
along the lines of how the music was already in his head and he was  
listening not for sound quality but for emotion. or something like that.


sorry, i'm a terrible storyteller - i vaguely recall reading this  
anecdote from Classic CD back in the early 90s, and if anyone can  
supply the name of the composer or the exact anecdote, please do!


Edward C. Yong
ky...@pacific.net.sg

On 5 Apr 2012, at 2:46 AM, William Samson wrote:


  Alternatively, sit in front of your $5 webcam with built-in mic, do
  your stuff, publish it, and ignore the snooty comments  :)

  Bill




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[LUTE] Re: Bach by Anna Kowalska

2012-04-04 Thread Tobiah

On 4/4/2012 1:48 PM, Leonard Williams wrote:

While watching/ listening to Benjamin Narvey's wonderful performance, my
attention was drawn to a YouTube performance of a Bach cello composition
played by Anna Kowalska at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wi1IC6YQnM&feature=relmfu


I have heard that the sarabande was a slower and stately
dance, but it's hard to imagine people of the time withstanding
such a potent soporific as this first piece played at this
tempo.  Perhaps it was meant to be in contrast to the
Courante.  In either case, I'm delighted by the performance.



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[LUTE] Re: Haslemere ms.

2012-04-04 Thread A. J. Ness

Dear Sean,

The handwriting is NOT the same! Jacob was writing when in some quarters
the mss were thought to have the same scribe.  The person who made that
claim realized in 1999 that he was mistaken, and has since corrected
himself.

The manuscript in question, by the way, is Ms II.C.23 in the Dolmetsch
Library at Haslemere, which was most likely copied by several different
scribes in Savona for a member of the della Robbia family, and came to
Florence
as dowry around 1634 when Vittoria II della Robbia (daughter of the last
Duke of Urbino) married Ferdinando II dei Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany.

The Siena manuscript in The Hague is named according to information on the
engraved spine on the 19th-century binding which reads "Italienische
Lautentabulatur gefunden in
Siena 1863 F[ranz] G[ehring--the purchaser]." It has a Siena watermark and a
layer of pieces by Siennese lutenist/composers. Its careful, uniform
paleography suggests that it was copied in a music scriptorium by one
professional scribe.

See the detailed autopsy report with concordances on the Haslemere
MS made *in situ* by John
H. Robinson (with notes by Robert Spencer)
and published in the Dolmetsch journal *The Consort* 26 (2006).

AJN.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sean Smith" 

To: "lute" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 3:14 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Haslemere ms.




Jacob Heringman writes about the similarity of the scribes between the
Siena ms. and a Haslemere manuscript  in the booklet that accompanies  his
recording of the former. Is this available?

"Dolmetsch Library in Haslemere (MS II C23)"

many thanks in advance,

Sean




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[LUTE] Re: Haslemere ms.

2012-04-04 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Sean,
There isn't a facsimile of the manuscript, but there is an excellent article
about it by John H Robinson and some transcriptions in the Fall 2009 LSAQ. 
It would be worth enquiring with the Dolmetsch foundation to see if they
have a microfilm.

Best wishes,

Denys


-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Sean Smith
Sent: 04 April 2012 20:14
To: lute
Subject: [LUTE] Haslemere ms.


Jacob Heringman writes about the similarity of the scribes between the  
Siena ms. and a Haslemere manuscript  in the booklet that accompanies  
his recording of the former. Is this available?

"Dolmetsch Library in Haslemere (MS II C23)"

many thanks in advance,

Sean




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[LUTE] Haslemere ms.

2012-04-04 Thread Sean Smith


Jacob Heringman writes about the similarity of the scribes between the  
Siena ms. and a Haslemere manuscript  in the booklet that accompanies  
his recording of the former. Is this available?


"Dolmetsch Library in Haslemere (MS II C23)"

many thanks in advance,

Sean




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[LUTE] Re: Recorder and Lute

2012-04-04 Thread brentlynk
Thanks Allan,


That was great!  I just love this list...

BTW, I just received a book and CD from you and would like to let you know how 
pleased I am. I bought my first couple books from you about 20 years ago 
(before 

we had such easy access to this technology...) and have just recently 
re-discovered you! You rock, so please keep rockin' on! :-)

Best regards,
Brent



- Original Message 
From: Allan Alexander 
To: Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wed, April 4, 2012 1:05:09 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Recorder and Lute

Helen and All

> Thank you for this. Re the first link, could you tell me if the lute part
> in the volumes is given in tablature? It would be really helpful to see a
> sample.

Lute parts are in French TAB notated in Fronimo. The recorder parts are 
over the lute parts, and there is also a separate insert of the recorder parts

If you search my name on youtube and recorder lute you will also find many 
pieces played from these volumes that Trond and Ernst play on the viol

for example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS2aNd3jv6k

Allan



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[LUTE] Re: Recorder and Lute

2012-04-04 Thread Arto Wikla

Dear Mathias:

The only music explicitly written for the recorder and the D-minor-lute,
that I'm aware of, is a suite per flauto dolce e liuto by E.G. Baron.


Interesting! Is this suite available somewhere? Perhaps even on-line in 
the Net?


Best,

Arto



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[LUTE] Re: miking a lute/theorbo

2012-04-04 Thread William Samson
   Alternatively, sit in front of your $5 webcam with built-in mic, do
   your stuff, publish it, and ignore the snooty comments  :)

   Bill
   From: Christopher Wilke 
   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Brad Walton 
   Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012, 18:55
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: miking a lute/theorbo
   Recipe for a really super natural lute sound:
 1) Use 20-50 prohibitively expensive mics.
 2) Place them at least 415 feet away from the instrument.
 3) Arrange them in an incredibly intricate array involving rigging
   from
 a chemistry lab reminiscent of a bad sci-fi movie. (Be sure to record
 in no less than four channels.)
 4) After recording, digitally manipulate the product with at least
   4000
 edits, taking special care to remove all aspects of the natural sound
 you don't actually mean to be heard (finger noises, fret buzz, the
   real
 sound your lute makes, etc.).
 5) Liberally slather "La cathedrale engloutie" reverb all over the
 finished product.
 6) Serve, relishing how your colleagues will compliment you on
   sounding
 so natural it is even better than the real thing.
 Chris
 Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
 Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
 www.christopherwilke.com
 --- On Tue, 4/3/12, Brad Walton <[1]gtung.wal...@utoronto.ca> wrote:
   From: Brad Walton <[2]gtung.wal...@utoronto.ca>
   Subject: [LUTE] miking a lute/theorbo
   To: [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 12:05 PM
 Hello folks,
 On the weekend I recorded two pieces in a professional recording
 studio.  I was accompanying a singer on the theorbo.  The recording
 engineer aimed two mikes quite close to the body of the theorbo.
 On the recording, the sound of the theorbo is very tinny and
   distorted,
 and bears almost no similarity to the natural/ acoustic sound of the
 instrument.
 Has anybody had experience with miking a lute or theorbo for
 recording?  What mike placement gave you the best results so far as
 concerned fidelity to the natural sound of the instrument?
 Thanks,
 Brad
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[LUTE] Re: miking a lute/theorbo

2012-04-04 Thread Edward Martin
Very clever, Chris!

Is this from experience?

ed

At 12:55 PM 4/4/2012, Christopher Wilke wrote:
> Recipe for a really super natural lute sound:
>1) Use 20-50 prohibitively expensive mics.
>2) Place them at least 415 feet away from the instrument.
>3) Arrange them in an incredibly intricate array involving rigging from
>a chemistry lab reminiscent of a bad sci-fi movie. (Be sure to record
>in no less than four channels.)
>4) After recording, digitally manipulate the product with at least 4000
>edits, taking special care to remove all aspects of the natural sound
>you don't actually mean to be heard (finger noises, fret buzz, the real
>sound your lute makes, etc.).
>5) Liberally slather "La cathedrale engloutie" reverb all over the
>finished product.
>6) Serve, relishing how your colleagues will compliment you on sounding
>so natural it is even better than the real thing.
>Chris
>Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
>Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
>www.christopherwilke.com
>--- On Tue, 4/3/12, Brad Walton  wrote:
>
>  From: Brad Walton 
>  Subject: [LUTE] miking a lute/theorbo
>  To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>  Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 12:05 PM
>
>Hello folks,
>On the weekend I recorded two pieces in a professional recording
>studio.  I was accompanying a singer on the theorbo.  The recording
>engineer aimed two mikes quite close to the body of the theorbo.
>On the recording, the sound of the theorbo is very tinny and distorted,
>and bears almost no similarity to the natural/ acoustic sound of the
>instrument.
>Has anybody had experience with miking a lute or theorbo for
>recording?  What mike placement gave you the best results so far as
>concerned fidelity to the natural sound of the instrument?
>Thanks,
>Brad
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[LUTE] Re: miking a lute/theorbo

2012-04-04 Thread Bruno Fournier
   didn't want to be the first to say it, but me tooLOL

   A

   Bruno

   On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Toby <[1]t...@tobiah.org> wrote:

 Just a silly observation: I keep reading this
 subject as "Milking a lute...".

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[LUTE] Re: miking a lute/theorbo

2012-04-04 Thread Christopher Wilke
Recipe for a really super natural lute sound:
   1) Use 20-50 prohibitively expensive mics.
   2) Place them at least 415 feet away from the instrument.
   3) Arrange them in an incredibly intricate array involving rigging from
   a chemistry lab reminiscent of a bad sci-fi movie. (Be sure to record
   in no less than four channels.)
   4) After recording, digitally manipulate the product with at least 4000
   edits, taking special care to remove all aspects of the natural sound
   you don't actually mean to be heard (finger noises, fret buzz, the real
   sound your lute makes, etc.).
   5) Liberally slather "La cathedrale engloutie" reverb all over the
   finished product.
   6) Serve, relishing how your colleagues will compliment you on sounding
   so natural it is even better than the real thing.
   Chris
   Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
   Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
   www.christopherwilke.com
   --- On Tue, 4/3/12, Brad Walton  wrote:

 From: Brad Walton 
 Subject: [LUTE] miking a lute/theorbo
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 12:05 PM

   Hello folks,
   On the weekend I recorded two pieces in a professional recording
   studio.  I was accompanying a singer on the theorbo.  The recording
   engineer aimed two mikes quite close to the body of the theorbo.
   On the recording, the sound of the theorbo is very tinny and distorted,
   and bears almost no similarity to the natural/ acoustic sound of the
   instrument.
   Has anybody had experience with miking a lute or theorbo for
   recording?  What mike placement gave you the best results so far as
   concerned fidelity to the natural sound of the instrument?
   Thanks,
   Brad
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[LUTE] Re: Recorder and Lute

2012-04-04 Thread Allan Alexander
Helen and All

> Thank you for this. Re the first link, could you tell me if the lute part
> in the volumes is given in tablature? It would be really helpful to see a
> sample.

Lute parts are in French TAB notated in Fronimo. The recorder parts are 
over the lute parts, and there is also a separate insert of the recorder parts

If you search my name on youtube and recorder lute you will also find many 
pieces played from these volumes that Trond and Ernst play on the viol

for example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS2aNd3jv6k

Allan



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[LUTE] Re: Recorder and Lute

2012-04-04 Thread Toby

>> How are the timelines of these instruments related, and what pieces
>> include both instruments?
> 
> Are you asking what music was originally specified by the composer
> for an instrumentation that included lute and recorder?
> 
> Or what music can be done with a combination that includes lute and
> recorder?

Both, I suppose.  I was thinking that the combination
seems natural, though I don't hear them together very
often.




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[LUTE] Basic home miking a lute to computer?

2012-04-04 Thread Daniel Winheld
Ratcheting down to basic & cheep home miking for idiots- (or cavemen):

No doubt this ground has been covered before, but I need a refresher tutorial.
Opinions of the Samson C01U USB Studio Condenser for a quick, easy home 
recording to the iMac? I already own one, but suggestions for affordable 
improvements couldn't hurt. 

Any favorite apps/programs/software preferences welcomed. My hard drive crashed 
last year and I am starting from scratch all over again. (Mac OS X, version 
10.6.8) I haven't recorded in a few years and am now ready to get back into 
action. (The single malt chaser is already taken care of. Laphroaig 18 year old)

Much appreciated, Dan





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[LUTE] Re: Recorder and Lute

2012-04-04 Thread Allan Alexander
Recorder and Lute

http://guitarandlute.com/recorder.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCD4xnmwEEk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQpYFyl_QP0

There are many others

Allan

> The problems I've found in playing consort music (on lute) with recorders, is 
> that
> commonly recorders are sounding an octave above written pitch.  If the lute 
> is on a
> top or middle line, recorders playing a lower line may be sounding above the 
> lute; not
> good for the harmony.  Consequently, I'm often asked to play the bottom line, 
> which is
> not always the best range for the lute.  This applies to Renaissance and 
> earlier part
> music; Baroque is no doubt a different matter. 



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[LUTE] Re: Recorder and Lute

2012-04-04 Thread Edward Mast
The problems I've found in playing consort music (on lute) with recorders, is 
that commonly recorders are sounding an octave above written pitch.  If the 
lute is on a top or middle line, recorders playing a lower line may be sounding 
above the lute; not good for the harmony.  Consequently, I'm often asked to 
play the bottom line, which is not always the best range for the lute.  This 
applies to Renaissance and earlier part music; Baroque is no doubt a different 
matter.

Ned
On Apr 4, 2012, at 6:49 AM, Mathias Rösel wrote:

>> How are the timelines of these instruments related, and what pieces
> include
>> both instruments?
> 
> During the renaissance era, recorder and lute players could join for any
> music, provided the compasses of the instruments weren't exceeded, as
> composers would not specify which instruments could execute their (mostly
> vocal) music.
> 
> The same applies for the baroque, more or less. There is distinct music for
> the recorder and thorough bass, though, and probably more than one of the
> several lute instruments may suit for the thorough bass (D-minor-lute,
> archlute, theorobos).
> 
> The only music explicitly written for the recorder and the D-minor-lute,
> that I'm aware of, is a suite per flauto dolce e liuto by E.G. Baron.
> 
> Mathias
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Benjamin Narvey YouTubeSFL

2012-04-04 Thread Edward Mast
Thank you for posting this, Anthony.  (No, Youtube can't do complete justice to 
the sound, but I do hope that most in our group have a decent set of headphones 
so that they can get the most out of the sound that is on Youtube, and other 
recordings.  A nominal investment, considering the improvement gained over most 
computer-speaker sound).

Ned.
On Apr 4, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Anthony Hind wrote:

>   Dear Lutenists
>   Here is a link to a recording made by the SFL, at the recent
>   SFL meeting, of Benjamin Narvey playing Weiss and de Visee on a 70cm
>   Warwick 13c rider Warwick Frei with all gut stringing : loaded Venice
>   basses and Nick Baldock octaves, Meanes (except for 5c which are
>   Venice), and Trebles.
>   Obviously the YouTube recording can't do justice to Benjamin's sound,
>   but it gives an idea.
>   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imHiP6bf6lE
>   Regards
>   Anthony
> 
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[LUTE] Benjamin Narvey YouTubeSFL

2012-04-04 Thread Mathias Rösel
>SFL meeting, of Benjamin Narvey playing Weiss and de Visee on a 70cm
>Warwick 13c rider Warwick Frei with all gut stringing : loaded Venice
>basses and Nick Baldock octaves, Meanes (except for 5c which are
>Venice), and Trebles.
>Obviously the YouTube recording can't do justice to Benjamin's sound,
>but it gives an idea.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imHiP6bf6lE

Thanks for sharing, Anthony! VERY nice!

Mathias



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[LUTE] Benjamin Narvey YouTubeSFL

2012-04-04 Thread Anthony Hind
   Dear Lutenists
   Here is a link to a recording made by the SFL, at the recent
   SFL meeting, of Benjamin Narvey playing Weiss and de Visee on a 70cm
   Warwick 13c rider Warwick Frei with all gut stringing : loaded Venice
   basses and Nick Baldock octaves, Meanes (except for 5c which are
   Venice), and Trebles.
   Obviously the YouTube recording can't do justice to Benjamin's sound,
   but it gives an idea.
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imHiP6bf6lE
   Regards
   Anthony


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[LUTE] Miking a lute/theorbo

2012-04-04 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Brad,

You can hear that tinny, brittle, distorted sound if you put your ear
right up to the ribs of the lute as you play it. (It's easier with a
lute than a theorbo.) A mike placed very close to the instrument will
capture some of that tinny sound.

If you listen to a lute or theorbo from 6-9 feet away, the sound will be
totally different - the sound we expect to hear. It makes sense then, if
you want a more natural sound, to put the mike two or three yards away
from the instrument.

Best wishes,

Stewart McCoy.

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Behalf Of Brad Walton
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To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] miking a lute/theorbo

Hello folks,


On the weekend I recorded two pieces in a professional recording 
studio.  I was accompanying a singer on the theorbo.  The recording 
engineer aimed two mikes quite close to the body of the theorbo.


On the recording, the sound of the theorbo is very tinny and distorted, 
and bears almost no similarity to the natural/ acoustic sound of the 
instrument.


Has anybody had experience with miking a lute or theorbo for recording?

What mike placement gave you the best results so far as concerned 
fidelity to the natural sound of the instrument?


Thanks,


Brad



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[LUTE] Re: Recorder and Lute

2012-04-04 Thread Mathias Rösel
> How are the timelines of these instruments related, and what pieces
include
> both instruments?

During the renaissance era, recorder and lute players could join for any
music, provided the compasses of the instruments weren't exceeded, as
composers would not specify which instruments could execute their (mostly
vocal) music.

The same applies for the baroque, more or less. There is distinct music for
the recorder and thorough bass, though, and probably more than one of the
several lute instruments may suit for the thorough bass (D-minor-lute,
archlute, theorobos).

The only music explicitly written for the recorder and the D-minor-lute,
that I'm aware of, is a suite per flauto dolce e liuto by E.G. Baron.

Mathias



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