[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lobkowicz collections, CZ

2012-05-08 Thread Markus Lutz

As far as I know, there is none of them published by TREE edition.
Albert (a copy of this mail also to you) published all of the Goess 
volumes, of the Leipzig library, some of Rostock, but none of the Prague 
mss.


Best regards
Markus



On 08.05.2012 06:18, David Smith wrote:

Take a look at Volume XXXII of the LSA. There is an article  Jiří Čepalák,
Lutes in the Lobkowicz Collection, Nelahozeves Castle, Bohemia.

Rob, do you know which manuscripts Tree edition did? I do not recognize them
on the tree editions site.

Regards
David


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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 12:16 PM
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Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lobkowicz collections, CZ

I think Tree Editions has published them all...

Rob
On 7 May 2012 20:13,[1]theoj89...@aol.com  wrote:

  The Lobkowicz estate owns several
  baroque lutes and several baroque lute manuscripts or books that are
  on display
  at the Lobkowicz Palace in Prague, Czech Republic.
  [2]http://www.lobkowicz.cz/en/
  Are the lute books of any interest,
  and if so, are copies anywhere available? Likewise, are there
  technical
  drawings of any of the lutes available? It is a very interesting
  collection of
  lutes and, apparently a few lute books, (as well as a baroque guitar
  and at
  least one baroque guitar book), but there is little specific
  information given
  at the Palace exhibit, and I could find no additional information
  online.
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lobkowicz collections, CZ

2012-05-08 Thread Rob MacKillop
   Sorry, it was the Goess mss I was thinking of...

   Rob
   On 8 May 2012 08:06, Markus Lutz [1]mar...@gmlutz.de wrote:

 As far as I know, there is none of them published by TREE edition.
 Albert (a copy of this mail also to you) published all of the Goess
 volumes, of the Leipzig library, some of Rostock, but none of the
 Prague mss.
 Best regards
 Markus
 On 08.05.2012 06:18, David Smith wrote:

 Take a look at Volume XXXII of the LSA. There is an article 
 JiAA(TM)A AeOEepalA!k,
 Lutes in the Lobkowicz Collection, Nelahozeves Castle, Bohemia.
 Rob, do you know which manuscripts Tree edition did? I do not
 recognize them
 on the tree editions site.
 Regards
 David
 -Original Message-
 From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
 Of Rob MacKillop
 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 12:16 PM
 To: [4]theoj89...@aol.com
 Cc: [5]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu; [6]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lobkowicz collections, CZ
 A  A I think Tree Editions has published them all...
 A  A Rob
 A  A On 7 May 2012 20:13,[1][7]theoj89...@aol.com A wrote:
 A  A  A The Lobkowicz estate owns several
 A  A  A baroque lutes and several baroque lute manuscripts or books
 that are
 A  A  A on display
 A  A  A at the Lobkowicz Palace in Prague, Czech Republic.
 A  A  A [2][8]http://www.lobkowicz.cz/en/
 A  A  A Are the lute books of any interest,
 A  A  A and if so, are copies anywhere available? Likewise, are
 there
 A  A  A technical
 A  A  A drawings of any of the lutes available? It is a very
 interesting
 A  A  A collection of
 A  A  A lutes and, apparently a few lute books, (as well as a
 baroque guitar
 A  A  A and at
 A  A  A least one baroque guitar book), but there is little specific
 A  A  A information given
 A  A  A at the Palace exhibit, and I could find no additional
 information
 A  A  A online.
 A  A  A --
 A  A  A To get on or off this list see list information at
 A  A  A [3][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 A  A --
 References
 A  A 1. mailto:[10]theoj89...@aol.com
 A  A 2. [11]http://www.lobkowicz.cz/en/
 A  A 3. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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 SchulstraAYe 11
 88422 Bad Buchau
 Tel A 0 75 82 / 92 62 89
 Fax A 0 75 82 / 92 62 90
 Mail [13]mar...@gmlutz.de

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   1. mailto:mar...@gmlutz.de
   2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   4. mailto:theoj89...@aol.com
   5. mailto:l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   6. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   7. mailto:theoj89...@aol.com
   8. http://www.lobkowicz.cz/en/
   9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  10. mailto:theoj89...@aol.com
  11. http://www.lobkowicz.cz/en/
  12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  13. mailto:mar...@gmlutz.de



[LUTE-BUILDER] What about pear wood?

2012-05-08 Thread Alexandros Tzimeros

Hi dear all,

after sorting out the disadvantages of mahogany in lute construction,
can we discuss about pearwood? It is a wood that I rarely see being used in 
lutes.

The point is that I like it a lot but I'm a bit hesitant to use it.
Any opinions?

Thanks,
Alex 




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[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-08 Thread Mustafa Umut Sarac
   Pearwood is used by Turkish Luthiers for the body of Turkish lutes for
   more than hundreds of years .

   Umut

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[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-08 Thread William Samson
   Dear Umut,

   That's very interesting.  Thomas Mace, in his book 'Musick's Monument'
   lists pearwood among the woods from which 'very good lutes' can be
   made.  And yet, nowadays, we seldom find it used in the making of
   replicas of historic lutes.

   Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

   Bill
   From: Mustafa Umut Sarac mustafaumutsa...@gmail.com
   To: Alexandros Tzimeros sarab...@otenet.gr
   Cc: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012, 7:16
   Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?
 Pearwood is used by Turkish Luthiers for the body of Turkish lutes
   for
 more than hundreds of years .
 Umut
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[LUTE] Re: USA Aquila

2012-05-08 Thread Gary Digman
I bought strings from them three weeks ago. Mailed my check to the Portland 
address and had my strings within the week: new Nylgut for the first four 
courses of my ten course. Played one concert with them on. So far I'm liking 
them.


Gary

- Original Message - 
From: Alain al...@signtracks.com

To: 'Lute List' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 2:33 PM
Subject: [LUTE] USA Aquila



Hi everyone,
Does anyone know if Aquila USA is still in business in Portland and/or
if they have a new e-mail address? I used to be in contact with Curtis,
but perhaps this has changed.
Thanks,
Alain
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[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-08 Thread Timothy Motz
Alex,
Pear is both denser and harder than hard maple, so it would make a fine bowl 
for a lute.  I don't know how easily it bends, but since Mustafa says it's used 
for ouds, it must bend decently.  The one time I used it was for a flat-backed 
instrument, so I didn't have to bend it.  It took forever to sand it down to 
the proper thickness on my little sander, but it certainly helped project the 
sound.  I think it's used a lot for wooden flutes and recorders.

I would think the reasons it's not used more is because it doesn't have much of 
a figure and isn't as dramatic looking as the tropical hardwoods and at least 
in the US it's rather scarce and expensive.  There are no old-growth rain 
forests of European pear to clear-cut.  I've never seen it in my local hardwood 
dealer's stock.  The pear that I used was from Luthier's Mercantile and I've 
never seen it in their list of available back and side woods since that one 
time.

Tim


On May 8, 2012, at 2:04 AM, Alexandros Tzimeros wrote:

 Hi dear all,
 
 after sorting out the disadvantages of mahogany in lute construction,
 can we discuss about pearwood? It is a wood that I rarely see being used in 
 lutes.
 The point is that I like it a lot but I'm a bit hesitant to use it.
 Any opinions?
 
 Thanks,
 Alex 
 
 
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[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-08 Thread David Brown
Hello Timothy and Alexandros,

I would tend to disagree that steamed Swiss pear is more dense and harder
than hard maple.  I would describe it as closer to a softer maple but with
different qualities and specifications support this.

I would describe it as a very creamy wood with a very fine grain and an
absolute (no pun intended) pleasure to work and carve. It is a fairly stable
wood. You can find it with a wavy figure and sometimes slightly curly. I use
it regularly and it makes a very nice lute bowl. It is easy to find, but be
sure you don't get Australian pear as I've seen it listed. This is much
harder to work than Swiss pear. Pear from the US is harder to find, but is
also a wonderful wood. I have a whole trees worth that was cut from a 19c.
farm site that was destined to be terra-formed by the interstate system. 

As a somewhat obtuse historic reference, the Este harp which was built
around 1581 has some parts made of pear and others of curly maple.

Many rosette makers use it as the carved frame for the parchment and wood
rosettes. At one point, many makers used it for pegs. It was often used for
blocks for prints.

Sincerely and respectfully,

David

David B. Brown, Luthier

 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Timothy Motz
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 8:27 AM
To: Alexandros Tzimeros
Cc: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

Alex,
Pear is both denser and harder than hard maple, so it would make a fine bowl
for a lute.  I don't know how easily it bends, but since Mustafa says it's
used for ouds, it must bend decently.  The one time I used it was for a
flat-backed instrument, so I didn't have to bend it.  It took forever to
sand it down to the proper thickness on my little sander, but it certainly
helped project the sound.  I think it's used a lot for wooden flutes and
recorders.

I would think the reasons it's not used more is because it doesn't have much
of a figure and isn't as dramatic looking as the tropical hardwoods and at
least in the US it's rather scarce and expensive.  There are no old-growth
rain forests of European pear to clear-cut.  I've never seen it in my local
hardwood dealer's stock.  The pear that I used was from Luthier's Mercantile
and I've never seen it in their list of available back and side woods since
that one time.

Tim


On May 8, 2012, at 2:04 AM, Alexandros Tzimeros wrote:

 Hi dear all,
 
 after sorting out the disadvantages of mahogany in lute construction,
 can we discuss about pearwood? It is a wood that I rarely see being used
in lutes.
 The point is that I like it a lot but I'm a bit hesitant to use it.
 Any opinions?
 
 Thanks,
 Alex 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: USA Aquila

2012-05-08 Thread Alain
Many thanks to the list for this information - Curtis got back to me by 
email and I am glad they are still doing business,

Alain


On 5/8/2012 1:21 AM, Gary Digman wrote:
I bought strings from them three weeks ago. Mailed my check to the 
Portland address and had my strings within the week: new Nylgut for 
the first four courses of my ten course. Played one concert with them 
on. So far I'm liking them.


Gary

- Original Message - From: Alain al...@signtracks.com
To: 'Lute List' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 2:33 PM
Subject: [LUTE] USA Aquila



Hi everyone,
Does anyone know if Aquila USA is still in business in Portland and/or
if they have a new e-mail address? I used to be in contact with Curtis,
but perhaps this has changed.
Thanks,
Alain
PS: Sorry if you already received this message - I seem to be having
issues sending messages to the list



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[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-08 Thread Alfred Eberle
I'll chime in here and mention that I've recently begun a lute with a bowl made 
of lightly-figured Swiss Pear.  This is the first time I've used it for a lute 
bowl.  I sourced and purchased a seasoned 'slab' of pear tree, enough for four 
lute bowls, six lute necks, and numerous bridges and pegs.  In density and 
hardness (and behavior) it seems closest to Big Leaf Maple.  Bending has so far 
been fairly easy, with the usual care needed when bending figured wood.  It'll 
be a while before the results are audible, but so far it's been pleasant and 
stable to work with.  

I did some tests on scraps of this wood for the finish.  I found that with an 
oil varnish the finish is very nice, but looks a little bit 'dirty'.  French 
polishing with shellac has produced very beautiful results - looks cleaner and 
there's a bit more visual pop of the figure than with the oil varnish.

I'm using holly spacers between the pearwood ribs.  With finish applied the 
color of the pear is a delicious warm red brown which contrasts well with the 
holly spacers.

It's definitely tricky to source the figured wood in dimensions large enough to 
cut into lute ribs - I was very fortunate to find a piece that was a little 
over 

six feet in length x 19 wide x 14/4 in thickness.  But oh so worth it.  If 
anyone needs the source I got my pearwood from, please let me know offlist and 
I'll be happy to give you their contact info.  I believe they have at least one 
more slab near the dimensions of the one I bought.

Alfred

in the Bay Area



 


- Original Message 
From: David Brown arpali...@gmail.com
To: Timothy Motz tam...@buckeye-express.com
Cc: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 6:21:57 AM
Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

Hello Timothy and Alexandros,

I would tend to disagree that steamed Swiss pear is more dense and harder
than hard maple.  I would describe it as closer to a softer maple but with
different qualities and specifications support this.

I would describe it as a very creamy wood with a very fine grain and an
absolute (no pun intended) pleasure to work and carve. It is a fairly stable
wood. You can find it with a wavy figure and sometimes slightly curly. I use
it regularly and it makes a very nice lute bowl. It is easy to find, but be
sure you don't get Australian pear as I've seen it listed. This is much
harder to work than Swiss pear. Pear from the US is harder to find, but is
also a wonderful wood. I have a whole trees worth that was cut from a 19c.
farm site that was destined to be terra-formed by the interstate system. 

As a somewhat obtuse historic reference, the Este harp which was built
around 1581 has some parts made of pear and others of curly maple.

Many rosette makers use it as the carved frame for the parchment and wood
rosettes. At one point, many makers used it for pegs. It was often used for
blocks for prints.

Sincerely and respectfully,

David

David B. Brown, Luthier




-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Timothy Motz
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 8:27 AM
To: Alexandros Tzimeros
Cc: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

Alex,
Pear is both denser and harder than hard maple, so it would make a fine bowl
for a lute.  I don't know how easily it bends, but since Mustafa says it's
used for ouds, it must bend decently.  The one time I used it was for a
flat-backed instrument, so I didn't have to bend it.  It took forever to
sand it down to the proper thickness on my little sander, but it certainly
helped project the sound.  I think it's used a lot for wooden flutes and
recorders.

I would think the reasons it's not used more is because it doesn't have much
of a figure and isn't as dramatic looking as the tropical hardwoods and at
least in the US it's rather scarce and expensive.  There are no old-growth
rain forests of European pear to clear-cut.  I've never seen it in my local
hardwood dealer's stock.  The pear that I used was from Luthier's Mercantile
and I've never seen it in their list of available back and side woods since
that one time.

Tim


On May 8, 2012, at 2:04 AM, Alexandros Tzimeros wrote:

 Hi dear all,
 
 after sorting out the disadvantages of mahogany in lute construction,
 can we discuss about pearwood? It is a wood that I rarely see being used
in lutes.
 The point is that I like it a lot but I'm a bit hesitant to use it.
 Any opinions?
 
 Thanks,
 Alex 
 
 
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[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-08 Thread Mustafa Umut Sarac
   Turkish luthiers prefers to use pearwood at the body of long necked
   lutes like cura is the smallest and divan baglama is the biggest.

   But they dont bend it but carve out the intenal and uses as solid body.

   Umut

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[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-08 Thread Steve Ramey
   As you progress, photos, photos, photos, please.
   TIA
   Steve
 __

   From: Alfred Eberle uruz...@sbcglobal.net
   To: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:58 AM
   Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?
   I'll chime in here and mention that I've recently begun a lute with a
   bowl made
   of lightly-figured Swiss Pear.  This is the first time I've used it for
   a lute
   bowl.  I sourced and purchased a seasoned 'slab' of pear tree, enough
   for four
   lute bowls, six lute necks, and numerous bridges and pegs.  In density
   and
   hardness (and behavior) it seems closest to Big Leaf Maple.  Bending
   has so far
   been fairly easy, with the usual care needed when bending figured
   wood.  It'll
   be a while before the results are audible, but so far it's been
   pleasant and
   stable to work with.
   I did some tests on scraps of this wood for the finish.  I found that
   with an
   oil varnish the finish is very nice, but looks a little bit 'dirty'.
   French
   polishing with shellac has produced very beautiful results - looks
   cleaner and
   there's a bit more visual pop of the figure than with the oil varnish.
   I'm using holly spacers between the pearwood ribs.  With finish applied
   the
   color of the pear is a delicious warm red brown which contrasts well
   with the
   holly spacers.
   It's definitely tricky to source the figured wood in dimensions large
   enough to
   cut into lute ribs - I was very fortunate to find a piece that was a
   little over
   six feet in length x 19 wide x 14/4 in thickness.  But oh so worth
   it.  If
   anyone needs the source I got my pearwood from, please let me know
   offlist and
   I'll be happy to give you their contact info.  I believe they have at
   least one
   more slab near the dimensions of the one I bought.
   Alfred
   in the Bay Area

   - Original Message 
   From: David Brown [1]arpali...@gmail.com
   To: Timothy Motz [2]tam...@buckeye-express.com
   Cc: [3]lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 6:21:57 AM
   Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?
   Hello Timothy and Alexandros,
   I would tend to disagree that steamed Swiss pear is more dense and
   harder
   than hard maple.  I would describe it as closer to a softer maple but
   with
   different qualities and specifications support this.
   I would describe it as a very creamy wood with a very fine grain and
   an
   absolute (no pun intended) pleasure to work and carve. It is a fairly
   stable
   wood. You can find it with a wavy figure and sometimes slightly curly.
   I use
   it regularly and it makes a very nice lute bowl. It is easy to find,
   but be
   sure you don't get Australian pear as I've seen it listed. This is
   much
   harder to work than Swiss pear. Pear from the US is harder to find, but
   is
   also a wonderful wood. I have a whole trees worth that was cut from a
   19c.
   farm site that was destined to be terra-formed by the interstate
   system.
   As a somewhat obtuse historic reference, the Este harp which was built
   around 1581 has some parts made of pear and others of curly maple.
   Many rosette makers use it as the carved frame for the parchment and
   wood
   rosettes. At one point, many makers used it for pegs. It was often used
   for
   blocks for prints.
   Sincerely and respectfully,
   David
   David B. Brown, Luthier
   -Original Message-
   From: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [mailto:[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
   Of Timothy Motz
   Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 8:27 AM
   To: Alexandros Tzimeros
   Cc: [6]lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?
   Alex,
   Pear is both denser and harder than hard maple, so it would make a fine
   bowl
   for a lute.  I don't know how easily it bends, but since Mustafa says
   it's
   used for ouds, it must bend decently.  The one time I used it was for a
   flat-backed instrument, so I didn't have to bend it.  It took forever
   to
   sand it down to the proper thickness on my little sander, but it
   certainly
   helped project the sound.  I think it's used a lot for wooden flutes
   and
   recorders.
   I would think the reasons it's not used more is because it doesn't have
   much
   of a figure and isn't as dramatic looking as the tropical hardwoods and
   at
   least in the US it's rather scarce and expensive.  There are no
   old-growth
   rain forests of European pear to clear-cut.  I've never seen it in my
   local
   hardwood dealer's stock.  The pear that I used was from Luthier's
   Mercantile
   and I've never seen it in their list of available back and side woods
   since
   that one time.
   Tim
   On May 8, 2012, at 2:04 AM, Alexandros Tzimeros wrote:
Hi dear all,
   
after sorting out the disadvantages of mahogany in lute construction,
can we discuss about pearwood? It 

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-08 Thread Alfred Eberle
   Glad to!  I do have a photo of the pearwood ribs laid out with the
   figure showing.  Is there a place to upload photos to the list?  If
   not, I'll be happy to send it privately.

   Thanks,

   Alfred
 __

   From: Steve Ramey stevera...@sbcglobal.net
   To: Alfred Eberle uruz...@sbcglobal.net;
   lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 1:38:55 PM
   Subject: Re: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?
   As you progress, photos, photos, photos, please.
   TIA
   Steve
 __

   From: Alfred Eberle uruz...@sbcglobal.net
   To: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:58 AM
   Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?
   I'll chime in here and mention that I've recently begun a lute with a
   bowl made
   of lightly-figured Swiss Pear.  This is the first time I've used it for
   a lute
   bowl.  I sourced and purchased a seasoned 'slab' of pear tree, enough
   for four
   lute bowls, six lute necks, and numerous bridges and pegs.  In density
   and
   hardness (and behavior) it seems closest to Big Leaf Maple.  Bending
   has so far
   been fairly easy, with the usual care needed when bending figured
   wood.  It'll
   be a while before the results are audible, but so far it's been
   pleasant and
   stable to work with.
   I did some tests on scraps of this wood for the finish.  I found that
   with an
   oil varnish the finish is very nice, but looks a little bit 'dirty'.
   French
   polishing with shellac has produced very beautiful results - looks
   cleaner and
   there's a bit more visual pop of the figure than with the oil varnish.
   I'm using holly spacers between the pearwood ribs.  With finish applied
   the
   color of the pear is a delicious warm red brown which contrasts well
   with the
   holly spacers.
   It's definitely tricky to source the figured wood in dimensions large
   enough to
   cut into lute ribs - I was very fortunate to find a piece that was a
   little over
   six feet in length x 19 wide x 14/4 in thickness.  But oh so worth
   it.  If
   anyone needs the source I got my pearwood from, please let me know
   offlist and
   I'll be happy to give you their contact info.  I believe they have at
   least one
   more slab near the dimensions of the one I bought.
   Alfred
   in the Bay Area

   - Original Message 
   From: David Brown [1]arpali...@gmail.com
   To: Timothy Motz [2]tam...@buckeye-express.com
   Cc: [3]lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 6:21:57 AM
   Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?
   Hello Timothy and Alexandros,
   I would tend to disagree that steamed Swiss pear is more dense and
   harder
   than hard maple.  I would describe it as closer to a softer maple but
   with
   different qualities and specifications support this.
   I would describe it as a very creamy wood with a very fine grain and
   an
   absolute (no pun intended) pleasure to work and carve. It is a fairly
   stable
   wood. You can find it with a wavy figure and sometimes slightly curly.
   I use
   it regularly and it makes a very nice lute bowl. It is easy to find,
   but be
   sure you don't get Australian pear as I've seen it listed. This is
   much
   harder to work than Swiss pear. Pear from the US is harder to find, but
   is
   also a wonderful wood. I have a whole trees worth that was cut from a
   19c.
   farm site that was destined to be terra-formed by the interstate
   system.
   As a somewhat obtuse historic reference, the Este harp which was built
   around 1581 has some parts made of pear and others of curly maple.
   Many rosette makers use it as the carved frame for the parchment and
   wood
   rosettes. At one point, many makers used it for pegs. It was often used
   for
   blocks for prints.
   Sincerely and respectfully,
   David
   David B. Brown, Luthier
   -Original Message-
   From: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [mailto:[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
   Of Timothy Motz
   Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 8:27 AM
   To: Alexandros Tzimeros
   Cc: [6]lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?
   Alex,
   Pear is both denser and harder than hard maple, so it would make a fine
   bowl
   for a lute.  I don't know how easily it bends, but since Mustafa says
   it's
   used for ouds, it must bend decently.  The one time I used it was for a
   flat-backed instrument, so I didn't have to bend it.  It took forever
   to
   sand it down to the proper thickness on my little sander, but it
   certainly
   helped project the sound.  I think it's used a lot for wooden flutes
   and
   recorders.
   I would think the reasons it's not used more is because it doesn't have
   much
   of a figure and isn't as dramatic looking as the tropical hardwoods and
   at
   least in the 

[LUTE] Lute Toccata before 1611?

2012-05-08 Thread Arto Wikla
   Dear lutenists,
   while trying to activate my old vieil accord understanding, I have
   played some Toccate by 10-courser.
   I started with Piccinini 1639, then M. Galilei 1620, and today
   Kapsberger 1611:
   Kapsberger:
   [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_rdlOmfE8feature=youtu.be
   [2]http://vimeo.com/41791916
   Galilei:
   [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YvpwODvOOUfeature=youtu.be
   [4]http://vimeo.com/41619395
   Piccinini:
   [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjD0k7_v9Hgfeature=youtu.be
   [6]http://vimeo.com/41573141
   So I am going backwards in time. I think I have seen some lute Toccata
   compositions also before 1611, but I cannot remember where. So my
   question and suggestion: could we create a list early lute Toccatas?
   All the best,
   Arto
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References

   1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_rdlOmfE8feature=youtu.be
   2. http://vimeo.com/41791916
   3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YvpwODvOOUfeature=youtu.be
   4. http://vimeo.com/41619395
   5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjD0k7_v9Hgfeature=youtu.be
   6. http://vimeo.com/41573141


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[LUTE] Serenity

2012-05-08 Thread Ed Durbrow
And here is my piece entitled Serenity for archlute, viola and viola da gamba.

http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/2007message.html#Serenity

On May 6, 2012, at 5:57 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote:

 Here's an attempt at a piece by Gilbert Isbin: Serenity:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbBALxd2SCc
 
 
 Stuart

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