[BAROQUE-LUTE] B-flat major is actually quite a cute key ...
.. a couple of tiny little Kremsmunsterian pieces (Gavotte and Menuet, perhaps?): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsBYVNfQzfUfeature=youtu.be Happy key, Arto On 31/05/12 23:19, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear b-lutenists, remember, delete is easy, if this kind of mails hurt... ;-) I just played still another Kremsmunster pop song. In a way it is kind of much more fun and enjoyable to play easy pieces that sound nice than those very difficult pieces that perhaps mainly show your braveness...? ;-)) So, this is perhaps an Allemande: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRpdYIiB_pAfeature=youtu.be Best, Arto On 30/05/12 20:28, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists, I happened to find a possible source of this famous Christmas carol in a baroque lute ms. The B-part of the piece is very near... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSd3TmSgM-Mfeature=youtu.be yes, yes, I now the Christmas is not near... ;-) Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Calatas
That is useful, but are there any later example from the end of the 16th century? MOnica - Original Message - From: A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Calatas Marco dall'Aquila #24 (D'una cosa spagnuola)/Francesco #45 (Ricercar) has the calata cantus firmus running though it. It's so early perhaps it's a basse danse. See http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/marcodallaquila/lapptr.html The piece is probably by Marco, since even the Francesco version has the Marco Motive. - Original Message - From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:34 PM Subject: [LUTE] Calatas Montesardo and Costanza include pieces with the title Calata. Montesardo's seems to be in common time and just repeats the formula I IV V. Costanza's is actually described as di Fiorenza and is 6/4 time and has a rather odd harmonic scheme - it starts in a major key and ends in a minor key. Millioni (1627) also has a Calata in D major and 3/4 time. According to my rather out of date Harvard dictionary the Calata is a 16th century dance and Dalza is the only source of examples. Does anyone know of any other sources of Calatas in the intervening period. It seems strange that it should suddenly have resurfaced after such a long period. regards Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Calatas
I believe there is also a Calata in the Thibault Ms. -- R On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Monica Hall wrote: That is useful, but are there any later example from the end of the 16th century? MOnica - Original Message - From: A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Calatas Marco dall'Aquila #24 (D'una cosa spagnuola)/Francesco #45 (Ricercar) has the calata cantus firmus running though it. It's so early perhaps it's a basse danse. See http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/marcodallaquila/lapptr.html The piece is probably by Marco, since even the Francesco version has the Marco Motive. - Original Message - From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:34 PM Subject: [LUTE] Calatas Montesardo and Costanza include pieces with the title Calata. Montesardo's seems to be in common time and just repeats the formula I IV V. Costanza's is actually described as di Fiorenza and is 6/4 time and has a rather odd harmonic scheme - it starts in a major key and ends in a minor key. Millioni (1627) also has a Calata in D major and 3/4 time. According to my rather out of date Harvard dictionary the Calata is a 16th century dance and Dalza is the only source of examples. Does anyone know of any other sources of Calatas in the intervening period. It seems strange that it should suddenly have resurfaced after such a long period. regards Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Calatas
Have a look in the SMT index: http://w1.bnu.fr/smt/index.htm Calata, A-Wn 18688, 10 25 27; D-Ngm 33748 II, 8; F-Pn Rés. Vmd ms. 27, 107; F-Pn Rés. Vmf ms. 50, 6 20 24; PL-WRk 352, 47 Hispanische C., PL-Kj 40154, 29 Andreas Am 01.06.2012 um 17:04 schrieb Rockford Mjos: I believe there is also a Calata in the Thibault Ms. -- R On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Monica Hall wrote: That is useful, but are there any later example from the end of the 16th century? MOnica - Original Message - From: A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Calatas Marco dall'Aquila #24 (D'una cosa spagnuola)/Francesco #45 (Ricercar) has the calata cantus firmus running though it. It's so early perhaps it's a basse danse. See http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/marcodallaquila/lapptr.html The piece is probably by Marco, since even the Francesco version has the Marco Motive. - Original Message - From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:34 PM Subject: [LUTE] Calatas Montesardo and Costanza include pieces with the title Calata. Montesardo's seems to be in common time and just repeats the formula I IV V. Costanza's is actually described as di Fiorenza and is 6/4 time and has a rather odd harmonic scheme - it starts in a major key and ends in a minor key. Millioni (1627) also has a Calata in D major and 3/4 time. According to my rather out of date Harvard dictionary the Calata is a 16th century dance and Dalza is the only source of examples. Does anyone know of any other sources of Calatas in the intervening period. It seems strange that it should suddenly have resurfaced after such a long period. regards Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Calatas
If it really was a dance it seems strange that the tunes would be in different time signatures. It would be very difficult to dance a structured dance to common time if the dance was designed for 3/4 and vice versa. I'm interested to know what the rhythm is supposed to be. Thanks, Tom Montesardo and Costanza include pieces with the title Calata. Montesardo's seems to be in common time and just repeats the formula I IV V. Costanza's is actually described as di Fiorenza and is 6/4 time and has a rather odd harmonic scheme - it starts in a major key and ends in a minor key. Millioni (1627) also has a Calata in D major and 3/4 time. According to my rather out of date Harvard dictionary the Calata is a 16th century dance and Dalza is the only source of examples. Does anyone know of any other sources of Calatas in the intervening period. It seems strange that it should suddenly have resurfaced after such a long period. regards Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Tom Draughon Heartistry Music http://www.heartistrymusic.com/artists/tom.html 714 9th Avenue West Ashland, WI 54806 715-682-9362
[LUTE] Re: Calatas
Yes you're right, there is a note in Le Luth et sa Musique from 1957 (CNRS editions) by G. Thibault about an early italian ms (from around 1501-1505 ?) with a very short Calata f. 52-53. It is said it is probably the earliest lute Ms, before Capirola... Here is the modern transcription included in the book... Valéry -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Rockford Mjos Envoyé : vendredi 1 juin 2012 17:05 À : Monica Hall Cc : Lutelist Objet : [LUTE] Re: Calatas I believe there is also a Calata in the Thibault Ms. -- R On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Monica Hall wrote: That is useful, but are there any later example from the end of the 16th century? MOnica - Original Message - From: A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Calatas Marco dall'Aquila #24 (D'una cosa spagnuola)/Francesco #45 (Ricercar) has the calata cantus firmus running though it. It's so early perhaps it's a basse danse. See http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/marcodallaquila/lapptr.html The piece is probably by Marco, since even the Francesco version has the Marco Motive. - Original Message - From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:34 PM Subject: [LUTE] Calatas Montesardo and Costanza include pieces with the title Calata. Montesardo's seems to be in common time and just repeats the formula I IV V. Costanza's is actually described as di Fiorenza and is 6/4 time and has a rather odd harmonic scheme - it starts in a major key and ends in a minor key. Millioni (1627) also has a Calata in D major and 3/4 time. According to my rather out of date Harvard dictionary the Calata is a 16th century dance and Dalza is the only source of examples. Does anyone know of any other sources of Calatas in the intervening period. It seems strange that it should suddenly have resurfaced after such a long period. regards Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Calatas
Im afraid attachment are not allowed here... Ask me if interested... V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Sauvage Valéry Envoyé : vendredi 1 juin 2012 20:19 À : 'Lute List' Objet : [LUTE] Re: Calatas Yes you're right, there is a note in Le Luth et sa Musique from 1957 (CNRS editions) by G. Thibault about an early italian ms (from around 1501-1505 ?) with a very short Calata f. 52-53. It is said it is probably the earliest lute Ms, before Capirola... Here is the modern transcription included in the book... Valéry -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Rockford Mjos Envoyé : vendredi 1 juin 2012 17:05 À : Monica Hall Cc : Lutelist Objet : [LUTE] Re: Calatas I believe there is also a Calata in the Thibault Ms. -- R On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Monica Hall wrote: That is useful, but are there any later example from the end of the 16th century? MOnica - Original Message - From: A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Calatas Marco dall'Aquila #24 (D'una cosa spagnuola)/Francesco #45 (Ricercar) has the calata cantus firmus running though it. It's so early perhaps it's a basse danse. See http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/marcodallaquila/lapptr.html The piece is probably by Marco, since even the Francesco version has the Marco Motive. - Original Message - From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:34 PM Subject: [LUTE] Calatas Montesardo and Costanza include pieces with the title Calata. Montesardo's seems to be in common time and just repeats the formula I IV V. Costanza's is actually described as di Fiorenza and is 6/4 time and has a rather odd harmonic scheme - it starts in a major key and ends in a minor key. Millioni (1627) also has a Calata in D major and 3/4 time. According to my rather out of date Harvard dictionary the Calata is a 16th century dance and Dalza is the only source of examples. Does anyone know of any other sources of Calatas in the intervening period. It seems strange that it should suddenly have resurfaced after such a long period. regards Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Calatas
Well - Montesardo's rhythmic notation is a bit iffy. The Harvard dictionary says Dalza's are in 3/2, 3/4, 6/8 and 12/8 which are all triple time of sorts. Costanza and Millioni are in triple time. Monica - Original Message - From: t...@heartistrymusic.com To: A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net; Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Calatas If it really was a dance it seems strange that the tunes would be in different time signatures. It would be very difficult to dance a structured dance to common time if the dance was designed for 3/4 and vice versa. I'm interested to know what the rhythm is supposed to be. Thanks, Tom Montesardo and Costanza include pieces with the title Calata. Montesardo's seems to be in common time and just repeats the formula I IV V. Costanza's is actually described as di Fiorenza and is 6/4 time and has a rather odd harmonic scheme - it starts in a major key and ends in a minor key. Millioni (1627) also has a Calata in D major and 3/4 time. According to my rather out of date Harvard dictionary the Calata is a 16th century dance and Dalza is the only source of examples. Does anyone know of any other sources of Calatas in the intervening period. It seems strange that it should suddenly have resurfaced after such a long period. regards Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Tom Draughon Heartistry Music http://www.heartistrymusic.com/artists/tom.html 714 9th Avenue West Ashland, WI 54806 715-682-9362
[LUTE] Saturday morning quotes
We have posted our Saturday morning quotes with a new video. [1]http://wp.me/p15OyV-ph Donna Ron -- References 1. http://wp.me/p15OyV-ph To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
