[BAROQUE-LUTE] gigue C-dur
http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/la-arndt.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/la-arndt.pdf Enjoy, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: advice on Jorge Sentieiro wanted
I've met Sentieiro a few years ago in Basel. He is a nice guy and the instruments from his workshop (what he had in that moment) were excellent. If you want, you can contact my lute maker also maybe he has time to do this instrument: loril...@yahoo.com --- On Fri, 6/22/12, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] advice on Jorge Sentieiro wanted To: lutelist Net Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, June 22, 2012, 12:27 PM A friend of mine is looking for a 10-course. He's an (ex...) guitar payer, and this will be his first lute. He's looking at makers he can afford, and found Jorge Sentieiro from Basel. Anybody know his work and is willing to tell me his experiences? You can reply off-list. David -- *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. file://localhost/mc/compose?to%c3%9avidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Tuning
A question perhaps better posed on a bowed string forum, but I'm confident someone here can help me. When tuning my cello with a Korg chromatic electronic tuner, what pitches am I tuning to? Is it tempered tuning? The reason I ask is that though I usually tune the A string from the tuner and then the strings below by ear to fifths, if I tune each string from the tuner the results seem to be the same - still perfect fifths. Thanks. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tuning
We would presume if you tune fifths by ear, you would tune them pure, but ... if you have listened to fifths in equal temperament long enough in your life, you might well unwittingly tune tempered fifths by ear. So much for conditioning. In equal temperament fifths are about 2 cents smaller than pure fifths (700 cents in stead of a perfect fifth of 702 cents). That comes close, so if your ears perceive them as the same, be happy with both your ears and your tuner and forget about the theory. Just for the fun of it, set your Korg to Pythagorean temperament and then check the fifths. In Pythagorean temperament fifths are pure. Does your Korg have a playback function? Maybe you can hear the difference. Although the two notes of an interval are best heard played together (harmonic interval) to listen to the beats they make, you can still try to hear the difference in melodic intervals. David On 24 June 2012 18:11, Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com wrote: A question perhaps better posed on a bowed string forum, but I'm confident someone here can help me. When tuning my cello with a Korg chromatic electronic tuner, what pitches am I tuning to? Is it tempered tuning? The reason I ask is that though I usually tune the A string from the tuner and then the strings below by ear to fifths, if I tune each string from the tuner the results seem to be the same - still perfect fifths. Thanks. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[LUTE] Re: Tuning
Hi Ned, Pure fifths and equal-tempered fifths are pretty damn close to each other - slightly under 2 cents difference. I think the human ear - even of a good piano tuner - will have difficulty picking up this difference and will have to depend on beats to distinguish them. The perfect fourth is out by a similar amount. The real rogue interval is the minor third with over 15 cents difference and the major third only slightly less bad. So when tuning a lute - watch out for these thirds! Best regards, Bill From: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com To: Lutelist List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012, 17:11 Subject: [LUTE] Tuning A question perhaps better posed on a bowed string forum, but I'm confident someone here can help me. When tuning my cello with a Korg chromatic electronic tuner, what pitches am I tuning to? Is it tempered tuning? The reason I ask is that though I usually tune the A string from the tuner and then the strings below by ear to fifths, if I tune each string from the tuner the results seem to be the same - still perfect fifths. Thanks. To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tuning
When intentionally tuning a cello to perfect fifths, use the octave harmonic (divides the string in half) on the upper string, and the 'third' harmonic, i.e., the one that divides the lower string in thirds. For tuning A against D, for instance, your little finger should touch the same point where you would normally finger the octave above the open A string while your thumb should lightly touch the D string where you normally play A. The former will sound the same pitch whether fingered or played as a harmonic, while the latter will sound the pitch an octave and a fifth above the open D string (which is the same A.) The nice thing about using the harmonics is that a) you don't have to have your finger in exactly the right place to get the harmonic and have it be on-pitch, and b) the harmonic sounds the single frequency (unless you way-overbow) rather than the rich-toned fingered pitch. You need that pure sine to get the least confusion about the beat. When you play these two harmonics together, they will beat unless the strings are tuned in a pure fifth relation. If you tune the open strings in the manner you have been doing and then test with the harmonics, you will find out very quickly if you are actually tuning pure or not. The Korg tuner has gone through a few revisions in the past years. Mine doesn't allow more than equal temperament (so I've had charts to adjust for various historical temperaments.) If the model you have is OT120 (Which is currently on sale for $70 from Musician's Friend and Sweetwater) then you can set historical tunings and temperaments, which gives more room for experimentation. Also, petersontuners.com is full of interesting information on tuning, and if you look in the manuals for various of their more expensive tuners may just give you some other tuning ideas. William Brohinsky On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com wrote: A question perhaps better posed on a bowed string forum, but I'm confident someone here can help me. When tuning my cello with a Korg chromatic electronic tuner, what pitches am I tuning to? Is it tempered tuning? The reason I ask is that though I usually tune the A string from the tuner and then the strings below by ear to fifths, if I tune each string from the tuner the results seem to be the same - still perfect fifths. Thanks. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
