[BAROQUE-LUTE] Dresden Manuscript, one volume is online
Hello, it seems as if now the second volume of the Dresden Weiss manuscript is online on the SLUB homepage - the sonatas in C major and a minor: http://digital.slub-dresden.de/werkansicht/dlf/92747 Best regards Markus -- Markus Lutz Schulstraße 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail mar...@gmlutz.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Warsaw baroque lute manuscripts
Dear Friends, in the meantime all of the Warsaw baroque lute manuscripts are online, even now RM 4139/olim W2006. You can find the links on the manuscript page for baroque lute by Peter Steur and me, if you open the manuscripts: http://mss.slweiss.de We will try to include all official links (by the libraries) to the manuscripts. Best regards Markus -- Markus Lutz Schulstraße 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail mar...@gmlutz.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Aranes
Does anyone have a legible copy of Aranes - Libro segundo de tonos y vallancicos - which they could let me have. Mine was made about 30 years ago on the kind of shiny paper that was in use in thoe dim distant days. Some of it is legible but the words, alfabeto and clefs are almost impssoible to read. Hopefully Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Saturday morning quotes - Byrd songs
We have posted our Saturday quotes, this week on music of Byrd and the lute. [1]http://wp.me/p15OyV-We This is also the last day of our campaign to raise funds for 3 recordings in 2014 - and to keep our blog going. Check it out here [2]http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mignarda-duo-live Ron Donna -- References Visible links 1. http://wp.me/p15OyV-We 2. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mignarda-duo-live Hidden links: 4. http://wp.me/p15OyV-We To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1
Am 31.01.2014 10:13, schrieb jean-michel Catherinot: the conflict?? Concerning staff notation: there are extremely rare examples of lute parts in staff notation (Fasch's concerto?, and not sure it's for D min tuning) . Indeed we can't be sure about lute parts in notation, for which instrument they had been meant. But possibly the composers there hadn't our problem, that it should be for one very special instrument. There are some examples - I'm really not sure, how many lute parts in notation we have - where for sure the d-minor lute was meant: Probably the Krebs concertos had been written in notation first, as we have two different parts of it (probably intabulations). Conti wrote some Cantatas, where the French lute is obligato. It is written in notation and normally is more or less a line of melody, as it is also meant for violin in some cases. One could argue, that we don't know, for which instrument it is thougth. But! There is one manuscript/print of it - I'm not sure, because I only have some pages of it (there is a facsimile by SPES), where we have notation and tablature for baroque lute. The interesting thing is, that the lute plays this melody and the bass. So I'm pretty sure, this was common practice with the single line melodies for lute, that in most times are written directly over the bass line. Best regards Markus -- Markus Lutz Schulstraße 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail mar...@gmlutz.de Homepages http://www.slweiss.com (Silvius Leopold Weiss) http://mss.slweiss.com (Baroque lute manuscripts - by Peter Steur) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Dowland-Pavan
Hi, I have just found an interesting interpretation of my Intavolation for 3 lutes (interpretation by 3 guitars) It sounds really very fine. link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3MtNUbdvD4 enjoy it Anton -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Concerts tinyurl link
Of course tinyurl should solve the link problem, so here it is again, sorry for the repetitions : CONCERT INFO Miguel Yisrael USA Tour 2014 1) Recital at Rowan University, March 3 of 2014 at 8 pm : [1]http://tinyurl.com/p2ehh6r 2) Recital in Boston, March 5 of 2014 at 8 pm : booked out 3) Recital in Philadelphia, March 7 of 2014 at 8 pm : [2]http://tinyurl.com/pzfgbwn Sent from my iPhone On 31 janv. 2014, at 22:51, Anthony Hind [3]agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: A problem still seems to occur, the Rowan university link, should have this last number : 628216 But it has been transformed to b28216. You would need to copy the link and make the correction by hand, strange! Regards Anthony On 31 janv. 2014, at 19:30, Anthony Hind [4]agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: A link apparently wasn't working so here they are again: CONCERT INFO Miguel Yisrael USA Tour 2014 1) Recital at Rowan University, [1]March 3 of 2014 [2]at 8 pm :[3][5]http://rowan.tix.com/Event.asp?Eventb8216 2) Recital in Boston, [4]March 5 of 2014 [5]at 8 pm: booked out 3) Recital in Philadelphia, [6]March 7 of 2014 [7]at 8 pm:[8][6]http://www.pcmsconcerts.org/concerts/miguel-yisrael-lute/ On 31 janv. 2014, at 10:57, Anthony Hind [9][7]agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: Further information on the French baroque lute concerts : 1) Recital at Rowan University, march 3 at 8 pm : [1][10][8]http://rowan.tix.com/Event.asp?Eventb8216 2) Recital in Boston : booked out 3) Recital in Philadelphia : [2][11][9]http://www.pcmsconcerts.org/concerts/miguel-yisrael-lut e/ On 29 janv. 2014, at 23:15, Anthony Hind [3][12][10]agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear lutenists For those who may be interested these concerts of French baroque lute music are announced: Miguel Yisrael's USA Official Tour 2014 - A The Lute of The Sun King A Concert 1 - Miguel Yisrael, baroque lute recital - Rowan University, New jersey, USA Monday, March 3th of 2014, 8 p.m. Rowan University, Glassboro, New Jersey, USA Concert 2 - Miguel Yisrael, baroque lute recital - Boston, USA Wednesday, March 5th of 2014, 8 p.m. Tickets sold out Concert 3 - Miguel Yisrael, baroque lute recital - Philadelphia Chamber Music Society, Philadelphia, USA Friday March 7th of 2014, 8 p.m. American Philosophical Society, Philadelphia Regards Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4][13][11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [14][12]http://rowan.tix.com/Event.asp?Eventb8216 2. [15][13]http://www.pcmsconcerts.org/concerts/miguel-yisrael-lute/ 3. [16][14]mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 4. [17][15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. x-apple-data-detectors://0/ 2. x-apple-data-detectors://1/ 3. [16]http://rowan.tix.com/Event.asp?Eventb8216 4. x-apple-data-detectors://3/ 5. x-apple-data-detectors://4/ 6. x-apple-data-detectors://5/ 7. x-apple-data-detectors://6/ 8. [17]http://www.pcmsconcerts.org/concerts/miguel-yisrael-lute/ 9. [18]mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 10. [19]http://rowan.tix.com/Event.asp?Eventb8216 11. [20]http://www.pcmsconcerts.org/concerts/miguel-yisrael-lute/ 12. [21]mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 13. [22]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 14. [23]http://rowan.tix.com/Event.asp?Eventb8216 15. [24]http://www.pcmsconcerts.org/concerts/miguel-yisrael-lute/ 16. [25]mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 17. [26]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://tinyurl.com/p2ehh6r 2. http://tinyurl.com/pzfgbwn 3. mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 4. mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 5. http://rowan.tix.com/Event.asp?Eventb8216 6. http://www.pcmsconcerts.org/concerts/miguel-yisrael-lute/ 7. mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 8. http://rowan.tix.com/Event.asp?Eventb8216 9. http://www.pcmsconcerts.org/concerts/miguel-yisrael-lute/ 10. mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 12. http://rowan.tix.com/Event.asp?Eventb8216 13. http://www.pcmsconcerts.org/concerts/miguel-yisrael-lute/ 14. mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 15. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 16. http://rowan.tix.com/Event.asp?Eventb8216 17. http://www.pcmsconcerts.org/concerts/miguel-yisrael-lute/ 18. mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 19. http://rowan.tix.com/Event.asp?Eventb8216 20.
[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1
I'd accept a Trabant! RT On 2/1/2014 10:16 AM, R. Mattes wrote: On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 15:42:16 -0500, Roman Turovsky wrote No one knows. The only thing known is that the combination of consonants TRB is absent in all European languages, except for the Slavic ones. Where did you get this from? Just because I was drinking one while your mail came in: Teber (also: Träber, Trester) [1]. An acloholic beverage distilled from the leftover grapes after the juces have been pressed out (it's more famous under it's italian name: Grappa). Then I was thinking that you probably meant the combination of Tsome vowel(s)RB - but even for that there is lat. turbare (I guess you won't accept my neighbours Audi-Turbo ... :-) Cheers, Ralf Mattes [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treber In Ukrainian TORBA means a sack, and TORBYNA means, well, a smaller sack. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Free VS-II.
I have a Peterson VS-II Virtual Strobe Tuner, complete with power supply (plugs into wall), instruction pamphlet, and quick-start pamphlet. I do not anticipate using it, and I will send it to a lutenist willing to reimburse me for the shipping cost. If interested, please send email to war...@gmail.com. You can see the manual at http://www.petersontuners.com/index.cfm?category=83# The tuner has a collection of temperaments (see page 17 and page 21 of the manual). Despite the name, I doubt the VS-II is a real strobe. For one thing, the bands in the display are locked together in a fixed relative phase of 0 degrees. If you want a good strobe, I would suggest: 1. a Peterson mechanical wheel tuner, or 2. the Sonic Research strobe tuners. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Concerts of French Baroque lute music
Of course tinyurl should solve the link problem, so here it is again, sorry for the repetitions : CONCERT INFO Miguel Yisrael USA Tour 2014 1) Recital at Rowan University, March 3 of 2014 at 8 pm : [1]http://tinyurl.com/p2ehh6r 2) Recital in Boston, March 5 of 2014 at 8 pm : booked out 3) Recital in Philadelphia, March 7 of 2014 at 8 pm : [2]http://tinyurl.com/pzfgbwn Sent from my iPhone On 31 janv. 2014, at 22:52, Anthony Hind [3]agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: A problem still seems to occur, the Rowan university link, should have this last number : 628216 But it has been transformed to b28216. You would need to copy the link and make the correction by hand, strange! Regards Anthony Sent from my iPhone On 31 janv. 2014, at 19:34, Anthony Hind [4]agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: A link apparently was not working, so here it is again: CONCERT INFO Miguel Yisrael USA Tour 2014 1) Recital at Rowan University, March 3 of 2014 at 8 pm : [5]http://rowan.tix.com/Event.asp?Eventb8216 2) Recital in Boston, March 5 of 2014 at 8 pm : booked out 3) Recital in Philadelphia, March 7 of 2014 at 8 pm :[6]http://www.pcmsconcerts.org/concerts/miguel-yisrael-lute/[7] Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone __ From: Anthony Hind [8]agno3ph...@yahoo.com; To: [9]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu [10]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu; Subject: RE: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Concerts of French Baroque lute music Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:49:50 AM Further information on the French baroque lute concerts : 1) Recital at Rowan University, march 3 at 8 pm : [11]http://rowan.tix.com/Event.asp?Eventb8216 2) Recital in Boston : booked out 3) Recital in Philadelphia : [12]http://www.pcmsconcerts.org/concerts/miguel-yisrael-lute/ Anthony __ From: Anthony Hind [13]agno3ph...@yahoo.com; To: [14]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu [15]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu; Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Concerts of French Baroque lute music Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:16:38 PM Dear lutenists For those who may be interested these concerts of French baroque lute music are announced: Miguel Yisrael's USA Official Tour 2014 - A The Lute of The Sun King A Concert 1 - Miguel Yisrael, baroque lute recital - Rowan University, New jersey, USA Monday, March 3th of 2014, 8 p.m. Rowan University, Glassboro, New Jersey, USA Concert 2 - Miguel Yisrael, baroque lute recital - Boston, USA Wednesday, March 5th of 2014, 8 p.m. Tickets sold out Concert 3 - Miguel Yisrael, baroque lute recital - Philadelphia Chamber Music Society, Philadelphia, USA Friday March 7th of 2014, 8 p.m. American Philosophical Society, Philadelphia Regards Anthony[1] Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone -- References 1. [16]http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS To get on or off this list see list information at [17]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://tinyurl.com/p2ehh6r 2. http://tinyurl.com/pzfgbwn 3. mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 4. mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 5. http://rowan.tix.com/Event.asp?Eventb8216 6. http://www.pcmsconcerts.org/concerts/miguel-yisrael-lute/ 7. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS 8. mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 9. mailto:baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 10. mailto:baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 11. http://rowan.tix.com/Event.asp?Eventb8216 12. http://www.pcmsconcerts.org/concerts/miguel-yisrael-lute/ 13. mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 14. mailto:baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 15. mailto:baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 16. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS 17. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1
Turban (as in the ubiquitous headwear) is Persian, i.e. IndoEuropean word.
RT
On 1/31/2014 5:12 PM, dominic robillard wrote:
Turba in Bulgarian also means a bag.
On 31.01.2014, at 21:43, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote:
No one knows.
The only thing known is that the combination of consonants TRB
is absent in all European languages, except for the Slavic ones.
In Ukrainian TORBA means a sack, and TORBYNA means, well, a smaller sack.
RT
On 1/31/2014 4:45 PM, Arthur Ness wrote:
What is the etymology of the word tiorba?
-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Martyn Hodgson
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:03 AM
To: David Tayler; lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1
As already pointed out on a number of occasions, the point about
tablature sources, rather than staff notation, is that they oblige a
particular tuning from the named instrument. Thus, for example, the
archlute tablature sources require top courses at the higher octave (ie
non re-entrant) - and vice versa for the theorbo tablatures. Your
stated belief that the archlute and theorbo were simply different names
for the same instrument('The terms arciliuto and tiorba are
high-degree interchangeable.') is not therefore supported by any of the
tablature sources
MH
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From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net
To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, 31 January 2014, 6:19
Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1
I don't see that staff notation is peculiar; it was a standard form
of
notation. It is elegant and descriptive, and the choice of brilliant
composers. There are even accounts in letters and diaries saying that
it is better than tablature, presumably because it is more efficient
in
showing the individual voices, or as part of the basso continuo
movement, or to parallel the viol, and so on. Many more reasons as
well, such as ornamentation.
Mersenne's quote: one can interpret all the square data that does not
fit into the round hole as errors, but because of the superfluity of
square data I think it makes more sense to consider the terms
high-degree interchangeable.
Absence of viel ton: if music is written in mensural notation, there
is
no way to know if it is viel ton or not in many cases, so the
absence
is evidence only that ppl stopped using tab for some of the newer
styles of music. Certainly the tuning had some serious competition.
dt
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From: jean-michel Catherinot [1]jeanmichel.catheri...@yahoo.com
To: R. Mattes [2]r...@mh-freiburg.de; lute
[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Martyn
Hodgson [4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:14 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1
Yes: Zamboni in tablature., but indeed you know that!. I consider
that
most of the arciliuto music is written in staff notation, may be
this
is a particularity of the instrument, and there is no doubt that
tuning
is not re-entrant (just have a look to Hasse's Cleofide, for
arciliuto
and compare with obligato parts for tiorba in Conti's Davide:
ambitus
and tessiture). . In staff notation, you mat consult, as I said,
obligato parts in Hasse's and Haendel's operas (and many others
it
seems, I'm trying to list them), and the concerti from Harrach
collection. It is not impossible that Zamboni was the composer of
the
solo sonata for arciliuto and the two aconcertinos' for arciliuto
with
two violins and organ (all anonymous and in staff notation) from
the
Harrach library formerly owned by Robert Spencer and now at the
Royal
Academy of Music, London; another similar anonymous concerto for
arciliuto is among the newly-discovered items of chamber music at
Rohrau.
Concerning Mersenne, it is quite clear in french that while
renaming
the picture untitled tuorbe in archiluth, he corrects a mistake
he
has previously done (and he says explicitly that): and he gives
quite
clearly the tuning for thA(c)orbe (re-entrant, in A) and the two
tunings for archiluth in G and A.
Concerning the use of archiluth in France (this is not our subject,
but...): at first 2 points, I don't know any tablature evidence of
the
use of vieil ton after ca1640. If this type of lute would be used,
it's
very strange that there is no written music for it (not a note).
The
only strange book of Delair gives the impression that the tuning
could
[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 15:42:16 -0500, Roman Turovsky wrote No one knows. The only thing known is that the combination of consonants TRB is absent in all European languages, except for the Slavic ones. Where did you get this from? Just because I was drinking one while your mail came in: Teber (also: Träber, Trester) [1]. An acloholic beverage distilled from the leftover grapes after the juces have been pressed out (it's more famous under it's italian name: Grappa). Then I was thinking that you probably meant the combination of Tsome vowel(s)RB - but even for that there is lat. turbare (I guess you won't accept my neighbours Audi-Turbo ... :-) Cheers, Ralf Mattes [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treber In Ukrainian TORBA means a sack, and TORBYNA means, well, a smaller sack. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1
On 2/3/2014 12:29 PM, Geoff Gaherty wrote: As is turbine. Geoff that is not related to turbans or theorbos, but rather to the latin TURBARE, to BOTHER. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1
On Feb 3, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: that is not related to turbans or theorbos, but rather to the latin TURBARE, to BOTHER. If you dismiss out of hand any relationship between theorbos and bother, you lack sufficient experience with theorbos. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
