[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[G. C.]

   There is such divergent policy when it comes to lute manuscripts
   nowadays. One has only to look at
   [1]Facsimile-Links
   to see how the different libraries measure out their generosity. And
   how easily accessible they make their manuscripts. (Easy full PDF
   download at a click, or hard, one page at the time, and sometimes not
   even that).
   The huge ones in Germany, England, France and Spain are incredibly
   professional and generous,
   while the smaller ones, (sometimes also holding very interesting
   manuscripts) are more restrictive and perhaps ask a fee.
   The Fitzwilliam asking 25 ⬠for a copy of Cherbury, puts them on the
   top end, (as if they were offering an edited modern paper edition) and
   the Czech National Library, f. ex. don't even answer any mail
   inquieries.
   La nota escrita e come la vita :D
   G.
   On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 11:27 PM, Alain Veylit
   <[2]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote:

 The Herb of Cherb lute book seems to be available in PDF format from
 the Fitzwilliam against a small-ish fee:
 [3]http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/aboutus/imagelibrary/products
 Anybody got it and can tell us more about that digital copy?
 Alain
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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Alain Veylit]

The Herb of Cherb lute book seems to be available in PDF format from the 
Fitzwilliam against a small-ish fee:


http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/aboutus/imagelibrary/products

Anybody got it and can tell us more about that digital copy?
Alain



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[LUTE] Re: String tech

[Leonard Williams]

I play an 8-course, 59 cm lute, nominally in G (A c. 430), with 0.42 mm 
treble gut from Gamut.  The strings may last a while, but fraying and the 
resulting compromised tone can occur early on.  In some cases I can turn the 
(unshortened) string around and avoid bad patches near the nut or plucking 
zone.  I would, nevertheless, prefer to change strings less often, but I love 
the sound of gut!

Thanks,
Leonard

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 4:30 PM, Edward Martin  wrote:
> 
> Hello Leonard and others,
> 
> This is a topic of great interest to me, as I have played mostly gut strings 
> for 30 + years. There is nothing as beautiful as the sound of a gut strung 
> lute tuned well. Some have tried oils, resins, even crazy glue with mixed 
> effectiveness of making trebles last long. 
> 
> Of the few who responded, what they did not say is what pitch and string 
> length they are using. In my experience that is the utmost important factor. 
> 
> If you want a g treble at a=440, you cannot exceed 59 cm in length. If you 
> do, you can only expect short strong life. It does not help to use a smaller 
> diameter treble, as lowering the tension does not help either. If you want a 
> baroque lute treble of f a = 415, if you exceed 68 cm, you will experience 
> failure and short string life. We certainly can use any synthetic string, 
> nylon, carbon, nylgut, etc., but the properties of gut are that we must stay 
> in the formula or we have treble string short life. Some argue that we 
> “should” be able to string gut trebles at higher pitches than what gut is 
> capable of, but experience has shown otherwise. Although we can get a 
> synthetic treble at g = 440 at let’s say 63 cm, we cannot with gut and that 
> lute for instance should be at f, not g. 
> 
> My 67 cm. 11-course baroque lute is at f 415 at 67.5 , and a usual treble 
> lasts me 3 months. Once, I had one that lasted 10 months with heavy playing!! 
>  On my 70.5 cm baroque lute, it only lasts a day or so unless I lower the 
> pitch to e. Then if I do that, it lasts as long as the other lute. 
> 
> So, if you have a 63 cm lute and insist on a gut treble, the pitch should be 
> f, not g at 440. Staying within the upper limits is the only way to use a gut 
> treble. Some people record in gut in that configuration, but they can stop 
> and change trebles as they fail!
> 
> Another factor is what kind of gut. Gamut now has beef gut trebles and they 
> seem much stronger than sheep gut;  some say beef is not as sweet in sound, 
> but I cannot tell the difference in appearance, sound, playability, or 
> texture. For me, beef is my personal choice. 
> 
> Ed
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Leonard Williams  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone come up with a technique to increase the life of gut trebles?  
>> (besides switching to synthetics!) I get stray fibers very shortly after 
>> installing one—still playable but the tone and intonation suffer.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Leonard Williams
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: String tech

[Bruno Cognyl-Fournier]

   Hi Ed,
   Happy New Year old friend, all the best to you and Colleen.
   Nice to hear from you on this subject.   I like Ed have played for many
   years with gut, I have only been using nylgut in the las 4 years or so,
   only because I now have so many lutes ( and I only have 8... don't know
   how Jean-Marie Poirier manages with his 30 some lutes..), that I find
   it a bit expensive to string them all in gut.. and my supplier fo 30
   some years   (SOFRACOB) which in my opinion was the best value for your
   $, has gone out of business.   I am tempted however to go with Gamut
   for at least one of my lutes, and Ed if I recall you were supposed to
   send me some gauge calculations for the diapasons on the little Colin
   Everett archlute..
   Bruno

   2018-01-19 16:30 GMT-05:00 Edward Martin <[1]edvihuel...@gmail.com>:

 Hello Leonard and others,
 This is a topic of great interest to me, as I have played mostly gut
 strings for 30 + years. There is nothing as beautiful as the sound
 of a gut strung lute tuned well. Some have tried oils, resins, even
 crazy glue with mixed effectiveness of making trebles last long.
 Of the few who responded, what they did not say is what pitch and
 string length they are using. In my experience that is the utmost
 important factor.
 If you want a g treble at a=440, you cannot exceed 59 cm in length.
 If you do, you can only expect short strong life. It does not help
 to use a smaller diameter treble, as lowering the tension does not
 help either. If you want a baroque lute treble of f a = 415, if you
 exceed 68 cm, you will experience failure and short string life. We
 certainly can use any synthetic string, nylon, carbon, nylgut, etc.,
 but the properties of gut are that we must stay in the formula or we
 have treble string short life. Some argue that we "should" be able
 to string gut trebles at higher pitches than what gut is capable of,
 but experience has shown otherwise. Although we can get a synthetic
 treble at g = 440 at let's say 63 cm, we cannot with gut and that
 lute for instance should be at f, not g.
 My 67 cm. 11-course baroque lute is at f 415 at 67.5 , and a usual
 treble lasts me 3 months. Once, I had one that lasted 10 months with
 heavy playing!!   On my 70.5 cm baroque lute, it only lasts a day or
 so unless I lower the pitch to e. Then if I do that, it lasts as
 long as the other lute.
 So, if you have a 63 cm lute and insist on a gut treble, the pitch
 should be f, not g at 440. Staying within the upper limits is the
 only way to use a gut treble. Some people record in gut in that
 configuration, but they can stop and change trebles as they fail!
 Another factor is what kind of gut. Gamut now has beef gut trebles
 and they seem much stronger than sheep gut;   some say beef is not
 as sweet in sound, but I cannot tell the difference in appearance,
 sound, playability, or texture. For me, beef is my personal choice.
 Ed
 Sent from my iPhone
 > On Jan 19, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Leonard Williams
 <[2]arc...@verizon.net> wrote:
 >
 > Has anyone come up with a technique to increase the life of gut
 trebles?   (besides switching to synthetics!) I get stray fibers
 very shortly after installing oneâstill playable but the tone and
 intonation suffer.
 >
 > Thanks!
 > Leonard Williams
 >
 >
 >
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   Thanks to Alain for spotting a new one!
   As I see it, there should be a chromatic theme that is
   considerable within the piece, not just a chromatic
   modulation or two. The Doni lute book recently
   mentioned seems to have potential entries. :)
   G.
   On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Tristan von Neumann
   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

 That's funny. I played just today from the Cherbury Book (and failed
 mostly, these pieces are quite tricky). I didn't get to this piece.
 Thanks! I had looked at it once, but didn't remember.
 One question:
 What do you people consider "chromatic"? Do you mean with a
 chromatic theme or just with passages that feature more than one
 half tone step in a row?
 For example would you consider m. 15 in the Preamble 2 from
 Newsidler Vol. 2. noteworthy in that regard?

   Am 19.01.2018 um 21:10 schrieb Alain Veylit:

 Goran,
 I think you could add: Fantasia Diomedes - [Cherbury lute book fol.
 38/1] to that list. Apologies if this was already in your list.
 [2]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/files/images/cherbury/
 Cherbury_78.jpg
 Alain
 On 12/19/2017 02:37 PM, G. C. wrote:

   A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial
 chromatic
   pieces:
   15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan
   16. "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of
 chromaticism.
   I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be
 transcribed for
   lute."
   (Christopher Wilke 2013)
   As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata
 8)
   17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?)
   18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic
 bass
   notes (?)
   19. (?) CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21
 of Lutz
   Kirchoff's
   "Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a
 chromatic
   line)
 20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation
 at the
 conclusions of the 1st half. M. RÃÆÃ ¶sel)
 21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation
 gets VERY chro
 matic
 and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or
 even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D.
 Shoskes)
   G.
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Tristan von Neumann]

I just looked, it's a transposed version of the Gostena Fantasy 25.

Sounds good though.

Am 19.01.2018 um 21:10 schrieb Alain Veylit:

Goran,

I think you could add: Fantasia Diomedes - [Cherbury lute book fol. 
38/1] to that list. Apologies if this was already in your list.


http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/files/images/cherbury/Cherbury_78.jpg

Alain


On 12/19/2017 02:37 PM, G. C. wrote:

    A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic
    pieces:
    15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan
    16.   "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism.
    I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed 
for

    lute."
    (Christopher Wilke 2013)
    As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8)
    17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?)
    18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic bass
    notes (?)
    19. (?)   CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of Lutz
    Kirchoff's
    "Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a chromatic
    line)
20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation at the
conclusions of the 1st half. M. Rösel)
21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation gets 
VERY chro

matic
and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or
even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D. Shoskes)

    G.

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Tristan von Neumann]

That's funny. I played just today from the Cherbury Book (and failed 
mostly, these pieces are quite tricky). I didn't get to this piece. 
Thanks! I had looked at it once, but didn't remember.


One question:
What do you people consider "chromatic"? Do you mean with a chromatic 
theme or just with passages that feature more than one half tone step in 
a row?


For example would you consider m. 15 in the Preamble 2 from Newsidler 
Vol. 2. noteworthy in that regard?



Am 19.01.2018 um 21:10 schrieb Alain Veylit:

Goran,

I think you could add: Fantasia Diomedes - [Cherbury lute book fol. 
38/1] to that list. Apologies if this was already in your list.


http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/files/images/cherbury/Cherbury_78.jpg

Alain


On 12/19/2017 02:37 PM, G. C. wrote:

    A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic
    pieces:
    15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan
    16.   "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism.
    I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed 
for

    lute."
    (Christopher Wilke 2013)
    As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8)
    17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?)
    18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic bass
    notes (?)
    19. (?)   CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of Lutz
    Kirchoff's
    "Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a chromatic
    line)
20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation at the
conclusions of the 1st half. M. Rösel)
21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation gets 
VERY chro

matic
and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or
even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D. Shoskes)

    G.

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[LUTE] Re: String tech

[Edward Martin]

Hello Leonard and others,

This is a topic of great interest to me, as I have played mostly gut strings 
for 30 + years. There is nothing as beautiful as the sound of a gut strung lute 
tuned well. Some have tried oils, resins, even crazy glue with mixed 
effectiveness of making trebles last long. 

Of the few who responded, what they did not say is what pitch and string length 
they are using. In my experience that is the utmost important factor. 

If you want a g treble at a=440, you cannot exceed 59 cm in length. If you do, 
you can only expect short strong life. It does not help to use a smaller 
diameter treble, as lowering the tension does not help either. If you want a 
baroque lute treble of f a = 415, if you exceed 68 cm, you will experience 
failure and short string life. We certainly can use any synthetic string, 
nylon, carbon, nylgut, etc., but the properties of gut are that we must stay in 
the formula or we have treble string short life. Some argue that we “should” be 
able to string gut trebles at higher pitches than what gut is capable of, but 
experience has shown otherwise. Although we can get a synthetic treble at g = 
440 at let’s say 63 cm, we cannot with gut and that lute for instance should be 
at f, not g. 

My 67 cm. 11-course baroque lute is at f 415 at 67.5 , and a usual treble lasts 
me 3 months. Once, I had one that lasted 10 months with heavy playing!!  On my 
70.5 cm baroque lute, it only lasts a day or so unless I lower the pitch to e. 
Then if I do that, it lasts as long as the other lute. 

So, if you have a 63 cm lute and insist on a gut treble, the pitch should be f, 
not g at 440. Staying within the upper limits is the only way to use a gut 
treble. Some people record in gut in that configuration, but they can stop and 
change trebles as they fail!

Another factor is what kind of gut. Gamut now has beef gut trebles and they 
seem much stronger than sheep gut;  some say beef is not as sweet in sound, but 
I cannot tell the difference in appearance, sound, playability, or texture. For 
me, beef is my personal choice. 

Ed

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Leonard Williams  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone come up with a technique to increase the life of gut trebles?  
> (besides switching to synthetics!) I get stray fibers very shortly after 
> installing one—still playable but the tone and intonation suffer.
> 
> Thanks!
> Leonard Williams
> 
> 
> 
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Alain Veylit]

Goran,

I think you could add: Fantasia Diomedes - [Cherbury lute book fol. 
38/1] to that list. Apologies if this was already in your list.


http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/files/images/cherbury/Cherbury_78.jpg

Alain


On 12/19/2017 02:37 PM, G. C. wrote:

A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic
pieces:
15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan
16.   "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism.
I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed for
lute."
(Christopher Wilke 2013)
As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8)
17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?)
18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic bass
notes (?)
19. (?)   CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of Lutz
Kirchoff's
"Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a chromatic
line)
20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation at the
conclusions of the 1st half. M. Rösel)
21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation gets VERY chro
matic
and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or
even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D. Shoskes)

G.

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[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

[Tristan von Neumann]

Ok, so this is merely a stylistic argument, which is no hard evidence - 
imagine someone dating Marco Dall'Aquila's Ricercar 33 only by style...


Also, Falconieri could be the guitar expert as far as I know, he died 
1656. So we can safely assume the minuet is quite early indeed.

I didn't find any minuet sources before Lully.
The connection of the menuet to the Branle has been stated, but remains 
to be shown...


Am 19.01.2018 um 18:42 schrieb Mathias Rösel:

Fabris writes that the music entered by mano B now (as opposed to the earlier 
pieces of mano A) shows traits characteristic of music for the guitar 
technically and stylistically. That's why dopo il 1650.

Mathias



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag 
von Tristan von Neumann
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2018 19:47
An: lutelist Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

Would you mind looking up what is the criteria of the dating of the second 
scribe?
If it's the minuet because it was made popular by Lully, we have ourselves a 
flawed argument. :)

Am 18.01.2018 um 12:48 schrieb Mathias Rösel:

You can clearly tell one handwriting from another in this manuscript. There's 
the major share of pieces in an older style (mano A), and additions in a 
younger style (mano B, after 1650), like mutanze, ceccone etc. The minuet is 
mano B. Read Dinko Fabris's preface in the S.P.E.S. edition.

Mathias



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
Auftrag von Tristan von Neumann
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2018 11:55
An: lutelist Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

To me, everything in Doni seems pretty old school even for 1640.
The minuet seems by the same hand and is in the middle of the page between "Ballo di 
Matova" (very oldschool) and a simple ciacona.
Also, this is just halfway through the manuscript.
http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/doni_lute_book/033.png

Which pieces do you consider 18th century? What makes you think the minuet is a 
later addition?...


Am 18.01.2018 um 10:59 schrieb Ralf Mattes:

Haven't played from Doni for a while but I always assumed that that

the minuet and some other pieces are (much) later additions to the
original manuscript. I never looked at the original, so I can't judge the 
scribal situation but judging by stile some of the pieces are definitely 
beginning 18th century.

Cheers, Ralf Mattes












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[LUTE] Re: String tech

[Leonard Williams]

Oil applied before installation?  Let it soak into the string? Glue, perhaps, 
after installation, when fraying has begun?

Leonard

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Mathias Rösel  
> wrote:
> 
> Almond oil, rather.
> 
> Mathias
> 
> 
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
> von Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
> Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Januar 2018 18:50
> An: Leonard Williams
> Cc: Lute List
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: String tech
> 
>   I believe some people put a dab of glue and quickly run their fingers
>   on the string to glue the stray fibres onto the string
> 
>   2018-01-19 12:45 GMT-05:00 Leonard Williams <[1]arc...@verizon.net>:
> 
> Has anyone come up with a technique to increase the life of gut
> trebles?   (besides switching to synthetics!) I get stray fibers
> very shortly after installing oneâstill playable but the tone and
> intonation suffer.
> Thanks!
> Leonard Williams
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>   2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: String tech

[Miles Dempster]

1. Hang the string from a hook or door handle, attach an object on the other 
end which weighs approximately the same as the tension when tuned up on the 
lute.

2. Take a rag or paper towel (folded up) and squeeze a bit of Crazy Glue on it.

3. Quickly pass the ‘moistened’  part of the rag down the string from the top 
to the bottom end, so as to distribute the glue to penetrate. NB Avoid getting 
your fingers stuck with the glue, if stuck then acetone will dissolve it.

4. Unattach the string and install it on the lute.

PS This method was suggested to me by Eliott Chapin.


Miles




> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Mathias Rösel  
> wrote:
> 
> Almond oil, rather.
> 
> Mathias
> 
> 
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
> von Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
> Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Januar 2018 18:50
> An: Leonard Williams
> Cc: Lute List
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: String tech
> 
>   I believe some people put a dab of glue and quickly run their fingers
>   on the string to glue the stray fibres onto the string
> 
>   2018-01-19 12:45 GMT-05:00 Leonard Williams <[1]arc...@verizon.net>:
> 
> Has anyone come up with a technique to increase the life of gut
> trebles?   (besides switching to synthetics!) I get stray fibers
> very shortly after installing oneâstill playable but the tone and
> intonation suffer.
> Thanks!
> Leonard Williams
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> 
> References
> 
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>   2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: String tech

[Mathias Rösel]

Almond oil, rather.

Mathias



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von Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Januar 2018 18:50
An: Leonard Williams
Cc: Lute List
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: String tech

   I believe some people put a dab of glue and quickly run their fingers
   on the string to glue the stray fibres onto the string

   2018-01-19 12:45 GMT-05:00 Leonard Williams <[1]arc...@verizon.net>:

 Has anyone come up with a technique to increase the life of gut
 trebles?   (besides switching to synthetics!) I get stray fibers
 very shortly after installing oneâstill playable but the tone and
 intonation suffer.
 Thanks!
 Leonard Williams
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[LUTE] Re: String tech

[Bruno Cognyl-Fournier]

   I believe some people put a dab of glue and quickly run their fingers
   on the string to glue the stray fibres onto the string

   2018-01-19 12:45 GMT-05:00 Leonard Williams <[1]arc...@verizon.net>:

 Has anyone come up with a technique to increase the life of gut
 trebles?   (besides switching to synthetics!) I get stray fibers
 very shortly after installing oneâstill playable but the tone and
 intonation suffer.
 Thanks!
 Leonard Williams
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[LUTE] String tech

[Leonard Williams]

Has anyone come up with a technique to increase the life of gut trebles?  
(besides switching to synthetics!) I get stray fibers very shortly after 
installing one—still playable but the tone and intonation suffer.

Thanks!
Leonard Williams



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[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

[Mathias Rösel]

Fabris writes that the music entered by mano B now (as opposed to the earlier 
pieces of mano A) shows traits characteristic of music for the guitar 
technically and stylistically. That's why dopo il 1650.

Mathias



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag 
von Tristan von Neumann
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2018 19:47
An: lutelist Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

Would you mind looking up what is the criteria of the dating of the second 
scribe?
If it's the minuet because it was made popular by Lully, we have ourselves a 
flawed argument. :)

Am 18.01.2018 um 12:48 schrieb Mathias Rösel:
> You can clearly tell one handwriting from another in this manuscript. There's 
> the major share of pieces in an older style (mano A), and additions in a 
> younger style (mano B, after 1650), like mutanze, ceccone etc. The minuet is 
> mano B. Read Dinko Fabris's preface in the S.P.E.S. edition.
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> Mathias
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> Auftrag von Tristan von Neumann
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2018 11:55
> An: lutelist Net
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: I'm confused.
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> To me, everything in Doni seems pretty old school even for 1640.
> The minuet seems by the same hand and is in the middle of the page between 
> "Ballo di Matova" (very oldschool) and a simple ciacona.
> Also, this is just halfway through the manuscript.
> http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/doni_lute_book/033.png
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> Which pieces do you consider 18th century? What makes you think the minuet is 
> a later addition?...
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> Am 18.01.2018 um 10:59 schrieb Ralf Mattes:
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>> Haven't played from Doni for a while but I always assumed that that 
>> the minuet and some other pieces are (much) later additions to the 
>> original manuscript. I never looked at the original, so I can't judge the 
>> scribal situation but judging by stile some of the pieces are definitely 
>> beginning 18th century.
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>>Cheers, Ralf Mattes
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