[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema
If I remember correctly the first copyright law appeared in England ca. 1714. Pirated editions made the bread and butter of many printers before then. But, it is only when copyrights were in force that authors started to make a living out of their published works. Before that it was a system of sponsorship and patronage (cf the lavish dedications in most works of the 16th and 17th century). On a somewhat ironic note, Alexander is supposed to have met secretly with the publisher who had systematically pirated his editions, to provide him with a "stolen" copy of his own forthcoming poetry. Being pirated was good publicity. Dowland bitched quite a bit about incorrect versions of his pieces being in circulation, but I don't think this really affected his bottom line. I can be wrong. Alain On 02/20/2018 12:45 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: Hi Leonard, They could be derived from a common model, such as a recercar by Giulio Segni (da Modena). A more explicit case of this is Ness 88, which is very close to no.16 in DaCrema's 1548 book, where it is attributed to Julio da Modena. It appears in Ness as Appendix 15. Julio Segni (1498-1561) was a highly regarded organist who worked at St Mark's in Venice from 1530-1533, and subsequently worked in Rome. Very little of his music survives, but his works had a considerable influence on many lutenists. Ness 84 also has some passages in common with Ness 51 and Ness 73 as well - some ideas seem to be common currency. Best wishes, Martin On 19/02/2018 22:35, Leonard Williams wrote: I’ve just been playing through some recent da Crema recercars (Lutezine Supp 123) and found No. 11 (p 37) remarkably similar to Francesco da Milano's (Ness) No. 84 (Lute News 107 Supp). I believe the only difference is barring and the last couple of measures. Could someone more musicologically savvy than I put ears and eyes to these and tell me whose compositions they are? Thanks and regards, Leonard Williams To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
[LUTE] Re: Hole in the Wall
Many Thanks Arto! Your generosity in sharing has always been sincerely appreciated. Having finally done my research, I see that it was composed by Purcell in 1695, and then published by Playford in 1698. Thanks again! Theo Jordan Ohio, US (I use the theo89294 to hide my true identity because, as you all know, once it becomes known that you are a lute player, such throngs of groupies assail you that you must go into hiding) -Original Message- From: Arto Wikla To: lutelist Net Sent: Mon, Feb 19, 2018 1:19 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Hole in the Wall Oops! I have already made the intabulation! Just called it "Purcell: Hornpipe". Here is the tab: [1]https://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Arciliuto/PurcellHornpipe2006 17.JPG And here is my YouTube example of that: [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7hRdN00B3w&feature=youtu.be Arto On 19/02/18 08:06, howard posner wrote: >> On Feb 18, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Arto Wikla <[3]wi...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: >> >> Dear theoj89294(?) >> >> Making an intabualation of that nice piece is not very complicated. If you wish, I can quite easily make one for you in the near future. ... In case you just start signing your messages... ;-) >> >> Arto > > Arto, I'm afraid you've gravely insulted the 89294 family. Ever since Roger 89294 of Delaware signed the Declaration of Independence, the 89294 family name has been much honored in America, along with the Vanderbilts, Adamses, and, of course, Trumps. > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. https://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Arciliuto/PurcellHornpipe200617.JPG 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7hRdN00B3w&feature=youtu.be 3. mailto:wi...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] looking for 2 lute sources
I was wondering if anyone on the list has a pdf, or knows a link for: Johann Daniel Mylius Thesaurus Gratiarum (Frankfurt, 1622). Lvov lute manuscript = RU-Lv Ms 1400/1 - Hans Kernstock c1655. I found nice indexes of both of them in Julia Craig Mc-Feeley's lists. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema
I recall a conversation with Pat O'Brien about dC many years ago, and he said there was a lot of plagiarism in his works. RT On 2/20/2018 3:45 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: Hi Leonard, They could be derived from a common model, such as a recercar by Giulio Segni (da Modena). A more explicit case of this is Ness 88, which is very close to no.16 in DaCrema's 1548 book, where it is attributed to Julio da Modena. It appears in Ness as Appendix 15. Julio Segni (1498-1561) was a highly regarded organist who worked at St Mark's in Venice from 1530-1533, and subsequently worked in Rome. Very little of his music survives, but his works had a considerable influence on many lutenists. Ness 84 also has some passages in common with Ness 51 and Ness 73 as well - some ideas seem to be common currency. Best wishes, Martin On 19/02/2018 22:35, Leonard Williams wrote: I’ve just been playing through some recent da Crema recercars (Lutezine Supp 123) and found No. 11 (p 37) remarkably similar to Francesco da Milano's (Ness) No. 84 (Lute News 107 Supp). I believe the only difference is barring and the last couple of measures. Could someone more musicologically savvy than I put ears and eyes to these and tell me whose compositions they are? Thanks and regards, Leonard Williams To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema
Hi Leonard, They could be derived from a common model, such as a recercar by Giulio Segni (da Modena). A more explicit case of this is Ness 88, which is very close to no.16 in DaCrema's 1548 book, where it is attributed to Julio da Modena. It appears in Ness as Appendix 15. Julio Segni (1498-1561) was a highly regarded organist who worked at St Mark's in Venice from 1530-1533, and subsequently worked in Rome. Very little of his music survives, but his works had a considerable influence on many lutenists. Ness 84 also has some passages in common with Ness 51 and Ness 73 as well - some ideas seem to be common currency. Best wishes, Martin On 19/02/2018 22:35, Leonard Williams wrote: I’ve just been playing through some recent da Crema recercars (Lutezine Supp 123) and found No. 11 (p 37) remarkably similar to Francesco da Milano's (Ness) No. 84 (Lute News 107 Supp). I believe the only difference is barring and the last couple of measures. Could someone more musicologically savvy than I put ears and eyes to these and tell me whose compositions they are? Thanks and regards, Leonard Williams To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
