[LUTE] Re: Il primo libro d'intavolatura di liuto Galilei repeat bars
>From what I've seen it's pretty straightforward, you just need to replace the >upbeat at the end of the bar with the repeat sign with the anacrusis of the >first bar. Sometimes the note values of the anacrusis are not the same but >this doesn't really matter as one is making a pause before starting the piece >again from the beginning. The values of the last beat of the repeat bars work >fine when playing straight through the second time round. Despite Galilei's claims to the contrary, there are a few printers mistakes too and there is doubtlessly an element of improvisation in the way the introductory anacruses should be played anyway (as perhaps indicated, for example, by the occasional long note values). Best, Matthew > On Dec 25, 2018, at 12:51, Joachim Lüdtke wrote: > > that is what I found in the introduction too, and still you have to cope with > the Situation Ed describes. I tend to your No 2, Ed! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Il primo libro d'intavolatura di liuto Galilei repeat bars
On Dec 25, 2018, at 8:41 PM, Matthew Daillie wrote: > The Minkoff facsimile provides an English translation. Here is an extract: > '... since my sonatas might offer some difficulty to... players not yet very > experienced in this art... these people must be satisfied with playing simply > the first and second part of the Correnti and Volte, which they may repeat > without the diminutions and this will not make the the sonata imperfect.' That is interesting. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Il primo libro d'intavolatura di liuto Galilei repeat bars
On 25.12.2018 12:51, Joachim Lüdtke wrote: Dear Ed, dear Matthew, that is what I found in the introduction too, and still you have to cope with the Situation Ed describes. I tend to your No 2, Ed! Cheers, Joachim P.S.: I still have a number of copies of the Minkoff facsimile I anyone is interested This is an excellent edition. The music is really good - not exactly easy, though :) The preface - yes a preface in a Minkoff edition - is fabulous. There are even corrections to the music. The tablature is crystal clear. Possibly the best Minkoff facsimile of lute music. Rainer PS You definitely need an 10c instrument for Galilei's music. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Il primo libro d'intavolatura di liuto Galilei repeat bars
Dear Ed, dear Matthew, that is what I found in the introduction too, and still you have to cope with the Situation Ed describes. I tend to your No 2, Ed! Cheers, Joachim P.S.: I still have a number of copies of the Minkoff facsimile I anyone is interested Lektorat & Korrektorat Dr. Joachim Lüdtke Blumenstraße 20 D-90762 Fürth Tel.: 0911 / 976 45 20 Mail: jo.lued...@t-online.de www.lektorat-luedtke.de Mitglied im Verband der freien Lektorinnen und Lektoren www.vfll.de www.lektoren.de/profil/joachim-luedtke -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Il primo libro d'intavolatura di liuto Galilei repeat bars Datum: 2018-12-25T12:42:07+0100 Von: "Matthew Daillie" An: "Ed Durbrow" The Minkoff facsimile provides an English translation. Here is an extract: '... since my sonatas might offer some difficulty to... players not yet very experienced in this art... these people must be satisfied with playing simply the first and second part of the Correnti and Volte, which they may repeat without the diminutions and this will not make the the sonata imperfect.' Best, Matthew > On Dec 25, 2018, at 2:41, Ed Durbrow wrote: > > It looks like Michelagnolo Galilei doesn’t give any instructions in his book, > but could an Italian speaker confirm that? Is there an English translation of > his dedication and author page anywhere? > What I’m interested in at the moment is whether he gives any guidance on how > to perform repeats. He has two kinds of repeat signs: the normal one that is > at the end of a full bar and one that is in the middle of a bar. Repeats > mostly occurs in voltas because most other pieces have written out style > brisé passages. > > Of the second kind, typically, the first section ends on a half note or > quarter note with a repeat sign under the remaining notes. There are two > possible interpretations. > 1. Hold the first beat of the last measure for three full beats then repeat > from the very beginning. > 2. Combine the last measure and the first making just one measure. > In the second interpretation, one assumes that on the repeat playing one > would start with the last quarter of the first measure after a half note in > the last measure. He is not always so straightforward though. For example > there might be a dotted quarter at the end of a section but three quarter > notes at the start. I wonder if he mentions anything in the Italian text. > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > See my latest video at: > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch > https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > > > > > > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch > https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Il primo libro d'intavolatura di liuto Galilei repeat bars
The Minkoff facsimile provides an English translation. Here is an extract: '... since my sonatas might offer some difficulty to... players not yet very experienced in this art... these people must be satisfied with playing simply the first and second part of the Correnti and Volte, which they may repeat without the diminutions and this will not make the the sonata imperfect.' Best, Matthew > On Dec 25, 2018, at 2:41, Ed Durbrow wrote: > > It looks like Michelagnolo Galilei doesn’t give any instructions in his book, > but could an Italian speaker confirm that? Is there an English translation of > his dedication and author page anywhere? > What I’m interested in at the moment is whether he gives any guidance on how > to perform repeats. He has two kinds of repeat signs: the normal one that is > at the end of a full bar and one that is in the middle of a bar. Repeats > mostly occurs in voltas because most other pieces have written out style > brisé passages. > > Of the second kind, typically, the first section ends on a half note or > quarter note with a repeat sign under the remaining notes. There are two > possible interpretations. > 1. Hold the first beat of the last measure for three full beats then repeat > from the very beginning. > 2. Combine the last measure and the first making just one measure. > In the second interpretation, one assumes that on the repeat playing one > would start with the last quarter of the first measure after a half note in > the last measure. He is not always so straightforward though. For example > there might be a dotted quarter at the end of a section but three quarter > notes at the start. I wonder if he mentions anything in the Italian text. > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > See my latest video at: > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch > https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > > > > > > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch > https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
