[LUTE] Re: fret positions above the 12th fret (re-re)
Dan, so if your instrument goes up to "r", do you count "q" as a fret? My issue with my initial post was how those positions above the octave are labelled. And in the example tab I cited, if "t" refers to the 4th above the octave there is one letter missing. My assumption was that "q" was skipped. Jurgen -- “There is a voice that doesn’t use words. Listen.” Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rumi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, March 30, 2019 7:27 AM, Dan Winheld wrote: > I have seen pics of 18th century d-minor lutes (no idea if that was an > original setup), usually swan neck variety with 14 frets. Makes sense to > me, there's room and no reason not to. I don't often run through the > Bach d-minor suite but when I come to the chaconne I hit that spot & > wonder when I am going to glue on those last two frets. My 8 course goes > up to fret r because of some Piazzolla arrangements I made a few years ago. > > Dan > > On 3/29/2019 2:34 AM, Susan Price wrote: > > > I always have my baroque Lutes with 14 frets, and I use that high g all > > the time (for instance in the Bach chacone). 2 of my archlutes go up to > > fret Q because I wrote a piece that goes that high. > > > > Susan > > > > Original message > > From: Rainer > > Date: 3/28/19 9:39 AM (GMT-07:00) > > To: Lute List > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: fret positions above the 12th fret (re-re) > > > > Yes, it's as simple as that. > > n > > o, > > p, > > .. > > so j is the only one that is not used. In those days there was no real > > difference between "i" and "j". > > Dowland uses p somewhere, Piccinini goes much higher (20th fret) and > > ages ago somebody found a piece that went even higher (I think it was > > 26) in an 18th century tablature. > > Rainer > > On 28.03.2019 11:11, Jurgen Frenz wrote: > > > Hello there, > > > > > > my apologies, I forgot that the list bot doesn't handle images so > > a > > > message I sent earlier was unreadable. So here I go again, with > > the > > > relevant image of the tabulature linked to google drive. > > > > > > I didn't find an answer online or on the British Lute Society's > > FB page > > > as to how positions above the octave are identified on a lute. > > There is > > > this curious section in Mercure d'Orléan's "Auff der > > Schlacht > > von > > > Padua" in Fuhrmann's Testudio p.188 where he notates notes as > > "p", "r" > > > and "t". As I don't want to trust my assumption that these would > > > correspond to finger positions 14,15 and 17 or the notes 'a', > > 'bb' and > > > 'c' assuming a lute in g I am asking here for the facts. And > > where are > > > these finger positions or 'fret names' codified? I attach a > > screen shot > > > of the last two lines of that page. Oh and I don't want to > > discuss the > > > musical quality of that lengthy piece. > > > > > > > > [1]https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UFZSHsdgjwXBpMlci5oO-rzriDIpBA9Z > > > > > > Any advice would be very welcome! > > > > > > Best wishes Jurgen > > > > > > -- > > > "There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen." > > > > > > JalÄl ad-DÄ«n Muhammad Rumi > > > > > > References > > > > > > 1. > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UFZSHsdgjwXBpMlci5oO-rzriDIpBA9Z > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > >
[LUTE] Re: fret positions above the 12th fret (re-re)
I have seen pics of 18th century d-minor lutes (no idea if that was an original setup), usually swan neck variety with 14 frets. Makes sense to me, there's room and no reason not to. I don't often run through the Bach d-minor suite but when I come to the chaconne I hit that spot & wonder when I am going to glue on those last two frets. My 8 course goes up to fret r because of some Piazzolla arrangements I made a few years ago. Dan On 3/29/2019 2:34 AM, Susan Price wrote: I always have my baroque Lutes with 14 frets, and I use that high g all the time (for instance in the Bach chacone). 2 of my archlutes go up to fret Q because I wrote a piece that goes that high. Susan Original message From: Rainer Date: 3/28/19 9:39 AM (GMT-07:00) To: Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: fret positions above the 12th fret (re-re) Yes, it's as simple as that. n o, p, .. so j is the only one that is not used. In those days there was no real difference between "i" and "j". Dowland uses p somewhere, Piccinini goes much higher (20th fret) and ages ago somebody found a piece that went even higher (I think it was 26) in an 18th century tablature. Rainer On 28.03.2019 11:11, Jurgen Frenz wrote: > Hello there, > > my apologies, I forgot that the list bot doesn't handle images so a > message I sent earlier was unreadable. So here I go again, with the > relevant image of the tabulature linked to google drive. > > I didn't find an answer online or on the British Lute Society's FB page > as to how positions above the octave are identified on a lute. There is > this curious section in Mercure d'Orléan's "Auff der Schlacht von > Padua" in Fuhrmann's Testudio p.188 where he notates notes as "p", "r" > and "t". As I don't want to trust my assumption that these would > correspond to finger positions 14,15 and 17 or the notes 'a', 'bb' and > 'c' assuming a lute in g I am asking here for the facts. And where are > these finger positions or 'fret names' codified? I attach a screen shot > of the last two lines of that page. Oh and I don't want to discuss the > musical quality of that lengthy piece. > > [1]https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UFZSHsdgjwXBpMlci5oO-rzriDIpBA9Z > > Any advice would be very welcome! > > Best wishes Jurgen > > -- > "There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen." > > JalÄl ad-DÄ«n Muhammad Rumi > > References > > 1. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UFZSHsdgjwXBpMlci5oO-rzriDIpBA9Z > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: fret positions above the 12th fret (re-re)
I always have my baroque Lutes with 14 frets, and I use that high g all
the time (for instance in the Bach chacone). 2 of my archlutes go up to
fret Q because I wrote a piece that goes that high.
Susan
Original message
From: Rainer
Date: 3/28/19 9:39 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: Lute List
Subject: [LUTE] Re: fret positions above the 12th fret (re-re)
Yes, it's as simple as that.
n
o,
p,
..
so j is the only one that is not used. In those days there was no real
difference between "i" and "j".
Dowland uses p somewhere, Piccinini goes much higher (20th fret) and
ages ago somebody found a piece that went even higher (I think it was
26) in an 18th century tablature.
Rainer
On 28.03.2019 11:11, Jurgen Frenz wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> my apologies, I forgot that the list bot doesn't handle images so
a
> message I sent earlier was unreadable. So here I go again, with
the
> relevant image of the tabulature linked to google drive.
>
> I didn't find an answer online or on the British Lute Society's
FB page
> as to how positions above the octave are identified on a lute.
There is
> this curious section in Mercure d'Orl̮̩an's "Auff der Schlacht
von
> Padua" in Fuhrmann's Testudio p.188 where he notates notes as
"p", "r"
> and "t". As I don't want to trust my assumption that these would
> correspond to finger positions 14,15 and 17 or the notes 'a',
'bb' and
> 'c' assuming a lute in g I am asking here for the facts. And
where are
> these finger positions or 'fret names' codified? I attach a
screen shot
> of the last two lines of that page. Oh and I don't want to
discuss the
> musical quality of that lengthy piece.
>
>
[1]https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UFZSHsdgjwXBpMlci5oO-rzriDIpBA9Z
>
> Any advice would be very welcome!
>
> Best wishes Jurgen
>
> --
> "There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen."
>
> JalÃâl ad-DÃâën Muhammad Rumi
>
> References
>
> 1.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UFZSHsdgjwXBpMlci5oO-rzriDIpBA9Z
>
>
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
