[LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889
Talking about moutarde, Peter Steur's site has under no. 11 in that collection: Almande (ton Arume) (J.Mercure, CLFMer II N°1) a-moll - GB-LbmBotnia / 92v. I think it should be ton enrhumé (not arume). Enrhumé in French is to have a cold and consequently speaking with a stuffed nose... something that mustard was supposed to help cure, BTW. Another way of saying an unusual tuning was also: a cordes avalees, literally "with swallowed strings", but I am sure they did not mean it literally - cat-gut is not that good to eat, even though it is sheep... Even if Arume is properly transcribed from the MS, it might help to have the correct spelling added to help with searching for pieces in that particular tuning (or set of tunings ...). Just a suggestion. Alain Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2019 4:27 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889 Hi Ed, I don't know if this helps but Peter Steur and Markus Lutz provide the incipit. Maybe you could contact them to see if they have a copy. [1][1]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=e ng=all The MANUSCRIPT SOURCES IN TABLATURE site gives the following concordance of this piece in the Jagiellonian Library: Cordon bleu [ou La nouvelle Moutarde] PL-Kj Mus. ms. 40626, f. 17v-18 Best, Matthew Le 18 avr. 2019 ÃÆ 00:15, Edward Martin [2]<[2]edvihuel...@gmail.com> a ÃÆécrit : > Dear Ones, > I am in search of a particular piece in a particular source. I would > like to s "Cordon Bleu" which appears on f. 99r. > I cannot seem to find this on line. Can anyone provide it to me? > Thanks! > Ed > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- References 1. [4]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=eng; instr=all 2. [5]mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 3. [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=e 2. mailto:[2]edvihuel...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=eng=all 5. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire
I think someone confused a theorbo with a lute in G... Em and Bm are not friendly keys on a Ren. lute in G. On 4/19/19 6:30 PM, John Trout wrote: Roman, Saizenay has an E minor and B minor suite by de Visee. John On 4/19/19, 4:14 PM, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: A question to the collective wisdom: Someone mentioned to me that there are practically no surviving solo theorbo pieces in e-minor or b-minor. Is that true? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire
Roman, Saizenay has an E minor and B minor suite by de Visee. John On 4/19/19, 4:14 PM, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: A question to the collective wisdom: Someone mentioned to me that there are practically no surviving solo theorbo pieces in e-minor or b-minor. Is that true? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire
Does de Visée count (ms. Saizenay)? Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Jerzy Zak Gesendet: Freitag, 19. April 2019 22:43 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire Roman, Kapsperger covers partly your search. Look at L. IV d'intav di chitarrone 1640: Preludio 5to - e-minor (finalis E-major) Preludio 6to - e-minor (finalis E-major) Toccata 3za - e-minor (finalis E-major) Toccata 4ta - E-major! Passacaglia on p. 34 - e-minor Corrente on p. 46 - e-minor This is one of the nicest key on theorbo. No pieces in b-minor in this collection, however. J --- > On 19 Apr 2019, at 22:12, Roman Turovsky wrote: > > A question to the collective wisdom: > Someone mentioned to me that there are practically no surviving solo theorbo pieces in e-minor or b-minor. > Is that true? > > RT > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire
Dear Roman, Not true :) On the top of my head: Bartolotti in A- Wn 17706 ( e minor) De Visée in Saizenay ( b minor and e minor) [1]Skickat frÃÂ¥n Yahoo Mail för iPhone Den fredag, april 19, 2019, 10:12 em, skrev Roman Turovsky : A question to the collective wisdom: Someone mentioned to me that there are practically no surviving solo theorbo pieces in e-minor or b-minor. Is that true? RT To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire
Roman, Kapsperger covers partly your search. Look at L. IV d'intav di chitarrone 1640: Preludio 5to - e-minor (finalis E-major) Preludio 6to - e-minor (finalis E-major) Toccata 3za - e-minor (finalis E-major) Toccata 4ta - E-major! Passacaglia on p. 34 - e-minor Corrente on p. 46 - e-minor This is one of the nicest key on theorbo. No pieces in b-minor in this collection, however. J --- > On 19 Apr 2019, at 22:12, Roman Turovsky wrote: > > A question to the collective wisdom: > Someone mentioned to me that there are practically no surviving solo theorbo > pieces in e-minor or b-minor. > Is that true? > > RT > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] theorbo repertoire
A question to the collective wisdom: Someone mentioned to me that there are practically no surviving solo theorbo pieces in e-minor or b-minor. Is that true? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889
You're making me hungry. An alternate title for "Cordon Bleu" is "La moutarde nouvelle." When you check Steur, go to concordance Nr, 1466 (Conc_1466) which lists four sources. PL-Kj mus ms 40626, f. 17v-18 for guitar is available from the LSA Facsimile Collection (titled "La moutarde"). LSA also has Balcarre's Lute Book, p. 125, and GB-Lbm 16889 (Lbm Botnia), fol. 99r. At LSA I can't find B-Gu 3898-2 (f. 18v) at Gent Uni. --AJN -Original Message- From: Matthew Daillie To: lute net Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2019 4:27 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889 Hi Ed, I don't know if this helps but Peter Steur and Markus Lutz provide the incipit. Maybe you could contact them to see if they have a copy. [1]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=e ng=all=20 The MANUSCRIPT SOURCES IN TABLATURE site gives the following concordance of this piece in the Jagiellonian Library: Cordon bleu [ou La nouvelle Moutarde] PL-Kj Mus. ms. 40626, f. 17v-18 Best, Matthew Le 18 avr. 2019 à 00:15, Edward Martin <[2]edvihuel...@gmail.com> a écrit : > Dear Ones, > I am in search of a particular piece in a particular source. I would > like to s "Cordon Bleu" which appears on f. 99r. > I cannot seem to find this on line. Can anyone provide it to me? > Thanks! > Ed > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- References 1. https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=eng=all=20 2. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Big Theorbes...
Hi everyone, Which evidence do we have regarding theorboes with 18 or 19 strings / courses? I know about: -Kapsperger's 19 course instruments - Two 18 course instruments by Sellas, one in Paris, the other one in Italy - Praetorius' obviously wrong tuning instruction for an 18 course instrument. Is there something else? Instruments, instructions, music, images, ...? Have a nice Easter weekend! Yuval To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
