[LUTE] Re: Funky Chords in Lute Literature

[howard posner]

Kapsberger’s Colascione comes to mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhuwIBKkdPc&frags=pl%2Cwn


> On May 11, 2019, at 2:02 PM, Tristan von Neumann  
> wrote:
> 
> The interesting thing about it is the use of power chords. I am sure
> this would sound great on an Electric Guitar. If someone wants to try.
> 
> This reminds me of a question I wanted to ask:
> 
> Do you know of any other pieces that make use of "modern" slide
> techniques that sound funky?
> 
> Also, funky chords are appreciated.




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[LUTE] Re: How to improve lute performance

[howard posner]

> On May 11, 2019, at 9:21 PM, John Mardinly  wrote:
> 
> Amazing. I was looking closely to see if any of them played with nails, and 
> one guy played with GLOVES!

He had to.  He’d broken a nail.



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[LUTE] Re: How to improve lute performance

[John Mardinly]

Amazing. I was looking closely to see if any of them played with nails, and one 
guy played with GLOVES!

A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.


> On May 11, 2019, at 7:18 AM, Daniel Shoskes  wrote:
> 
> Never thought to use a bot, but gamers seem to have found the solution
> 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__kotaku.com_mordhau-2Dplayers-2Dare-2Dusing-2Dbots-2Dto-2Dplay-2Dthe-2Dlute-2Dbetter-2D1834681431&d=DwIDAg&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=IP3Z7QOY_oVUI6WxQ1n4vg7iJcrF4fbNXcHZoJCVtDw&s=Tqw_688xil0gX4-cFgaAeR1oqR1TkxsZh8QRfKMeGAs&e=
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> Danny
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Funky Chords in Lute Literature

[guy_and_liz Smith]

No lute versions that I’m aware of, I’m afraid. I know them from the vocal 
versions. I’d love to see some intabulations as well, but I suspect that they 
would be quite difficult.

Guy

Sent from my iPad

> On May 11, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Tristan von Neumann  
> wrote:
> 
> OMG you have lute pieces by Gesualdo? Please, where can I find the tabs!
> 
> Sorry, could not resist. :) Yes I know, his madrigals are very daring,
> also those of Scipione Lacorcia, and Michelangelo Rossi.
> 
> But this is vocal music of which we don't have any intabulations, or do
> you know any?
> 
> I meant specific lute literature, like Passamezzi or Ricercars, or at
> least contemporary intabulations like those of Phalèse.
> 
> Which passages astonish you whenever you play them?
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11.05.19 23:12, guy_and_liz Smith wrote:
>> Just about anything by Gesualdo. His harmony sometimes sounds almost 20th 
>> century. 
>> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimslp.org%2Fwiki%2FCategory%3AGesualdo%252C_Carlo&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf104061058be46129e1508d6d656c4f8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636932065501121459&sdata=TMSJudsCCQkfd%2FfmxQHKFztJhp9u9mWLFFi5QwJJpiw%3D&reserved=0.
>>  If you want to go straight to the source, there are a number of facsimiles 
>> under the Collections tab.
>> 
>> Guy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf 
>> Of Tristan von Neumann
>> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 2:03 PM
>> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>> Subject: [LUTE] Funky Chords in Lute Literature
>> 
>> I just stumbled across this little gem of a Passamezzo found in Vol. 5
>> of the Wurstisen Lute Book and instantly had to record it.
>> 
>> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftristanvonneumann.bandcamp.com%2Ftrack%2F46-passamezzo-f-d-d-wurstisen-lute-book-vol-5&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf104061058be46129e1508d6d656c4f8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636932065501121459&sdata=ZIGUVVslEAlelkVQgmn4Cjrqg55uoN3bwcWnb4oH48E%3D&reserved=0
>> 
>> 
>> The interesting thing about it is the use of power chords. I am sure
>> this would sound great on an Electric Guitar. If someone wants to try.
>> 
>> This reminds me of a question I wanted to ask:
>> 
>> Do you know of any other pieces that make use of "modern" slide
>> techniques that sound funky?
>> 
>> Also, funky chords are appreciated.
>> 
>> I always found many French chansons very funky especially in the cadences.
>> 
>> Any other interesting pieces?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: Funky Chords in Lute Literature

[Tristan von Neumann]

OMG you have lute pieces by Gesualdo? Please, where can I find the tabs!

Sorry, could not resist. :) Yes I know, his madrigals are very daring,
also those of Scipione Lacorcia, and Michelangelo Rossi.

But this is vocal music of which we don't have any intabulations, or do
you know any?

I meant specific lute literature, like Passamezzi or Ricercars, or at
least contemporary intabulations like those of Phalèse.

Which passages astonish you whenever you play them?



On 11.05.19 23:12, guy_and_liz Smith wrote:

Just about anything by Gesualdo. His harmony sometimes sounds almost 20th 
century. https://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Gesualdo%2C_Carlo. If you want to go 
straight to the source, there are a number of facsimiles under the Collections 
tab.

Guy

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Tristan von Neumann
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 2:03 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Funky Chords in Lute Literature

I just stumbled across this little gem of a Passamezzo found in Vol. 5
of the Wurstisen Lute Book and instantly had to record it.

https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftristanvonneumann.bandcamp.com%2Ftrack%2F46-passamezzo-f-d-d-wurstisen-lute-book-vol-5&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf7f4760f6c0e40e7ae4908d6d6547e87%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636932055714307336&sdata=8qf3QHd3B2VPqU%2BPysAxASnBGwXSQT%2BkFnZqU7QJIV8%3D&reserved=0


The interesting thing about it is the use of power chords. I am sure
this would sound great on an Electric Guitar. If someone wants to try.

This reminds me of a question I wanted to ask:

Do you know of any other pieces that make use of "modern" slide
techniques that sound funky?

Also, funky chords are appreciated.

I always found many French chansons very funky especially in the cadences.

Any other interesting pieces?






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[LUTE] Re: Funky Chords in Lute Literature

[guy_and_liz Smith]

Just about anything by Gesualdo. His harmony sometimes sounds almost 20th 
century. https://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Gesualdo%2C_Carlo. If you want to go 
straight to the source, there are a number of facsimiles under the Collections 
tab.

Guy

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Tristan von Neumann
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 2:03 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Funky Chords in Lute Literature

I just stumbled across this little gem of a Passamezzo found in Vol. 5
of the Wurstisen Lute Book and instantly had to record it.

https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftristanvonneumann.bandcamp.com%2Ftrack%2F46-passamezzo-f-d-d-wurstisen-lute-book-vol-5&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf7f4760f6c0e40e7ae4908d6d6547e87%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636932055714307336&sdata=8qf3QHd3B2VPqU%2BPysAxASnBGwXSQT%2BkFnZqU7QJIV8%3D&reserved=0


The interesting thing about it is the use of power chords. I am sure
this would sound great on an Electric Guitar. If someone wants to try.

This reminds me of a question I wanted to ask:

Do you know of any other pieces that make use of "modern" slide
techniques that sound funky?

Also, funky chords are appreciated.

I always found many French chansons very funky especially in the cadences.

Any other interesting pieces?






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[LUTE] Funky Chords in Lute Literature

[Tristan von Neumann]

I just stumbled across this little gem of a Passamezzo found in Vol. 5
of the Wurstisen Lute Book and instantly had to record it.

https://tristanvonneumann.bandcamp.com/track/46-passamezzo-f-d-d-wurstisen-lute-book-vol-5


The interesting thing about it is the use of power chords. I am sure
this would sound great on an Electric Guitar. If someone wants to try.

This reminds me of a question I wanted to ask:

Do you know of any other pieces that make use of "modern" slide
techniques that sound funky?

Also, funky chords are appreciated.

I always found many French chansons very funky especially in the cadences.

Any other interesting pieces?






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[LUTE] Re: Vincent Dumestre's theorbo?

[Mathias Rösel]

This portrait shows him with a short, single strung, lutelike theorbo:
https://youtu.be/WaRuAuE_x1o 
Mathias



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag 
von Tim Miller
Gesendet: Samstag, 11. Mai 2019 20:42
An: Lutelist
Betreff: [LUTE] Vincent Dumestre's theorbo?

Hi all,

Does anyone know anything about Vincent Dumestre’s current theorbo? Like a 
lot of French players (Monteilhet, Belloq, etc.), he’s been using smaller 
theorbos for a long time, but this one seems to have a flat back and more 
guitar-like sides. You can see it clearly in some pics on Poème Harmonique’s 
Facebook page: 
https://www.facebook.com/LePoemeHarmoniqueVincentDumestre/posts/2180175768725297
 


I’m curious about the maker, and if Vincent has discussed it anywhere. 

Cheers,
Tim
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[LUTE] Vincent Dumestre's theorbo?

[Tim Miller]

Hi all,

Does anyone know anything about Vincent Dumestre’s current theorbo? Like a 
lot of French players (Monteilhet, Belloq, etc.), he’s been using smaller 
theorbos for a long time, but this one seems to have a flat back and more 
guitar-like sides. You can see it clearly in some pics on Poème Harmonique’s 
Facebook page: 
https://www.facebook.com/LePoemeHarmoniqueVincentDumestre/posts/2180175768725297
 


I’m curious about the maker, and if Vincent has discussed it anywhere. 

Cheers,
Tim
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[LUTE] Herbert of Cherbury

[G. C.]

   By all means, don't miss tomorrow's BBC Radio 3 show on Herbert of
   Cherbury
   [1]https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb

   --

References

   Visible links:
   1. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb

   Hidden links:
   3. 
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[LUTE] Re: How to improve lute performance

[Christopher Stetson]

   "...not a guitar but doing its best."
   Thanks, Danny.

   On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 10:22 AM Daniel Shoskes
   <[1]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Never thought to use a bot, but gamers seem to have found the
 solution
 [2]https://kotaku.com/mordhau-players-are-using-bots-to-play-the-lut
 e-better-1834681431
 Danny
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   2. 
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   3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: How to improve lute performance

[Jurgen Frenz]

this confirms that there is large fascination for our beloved instrument in the 
large public


--
“Close your eyes. Fall in love. Stay there.”

Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rumi

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On Saturday, May 11, 2019 9:18 PM, Daniel Shoskes  
wrote:

> Never thought to use a bot, but gamers seem to have found the solution
>
> https://kotaku.com/mordhau-players-are-using-bots-to-play-the-lute-better-1834681431
>
> Danny
>
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[LUTE] De Temporum Fine Postludia II

[Roman Turovsky]

   Dear friends,
   The “De Temporum Fine Postludia II” CD has just been released
   electronically!
   The physical CDs will be available next week!
   Full track previews!
   Enjoy-
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   RT

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[LUTE] How to improve lute performance

[Daniel Shoskes]

Never thought to use a bot, but gamers seem to have found the solution

https://kotaku.com/mordhau-players-are-using-bots-to-play-the-lute-better-1834681431

Danny



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[LUTE] Re: PS to Re: De Visee

[Martyn Hodgson]

   It is - but the long recits are tricky!  The only modern edition by
   Degrada
   ( [1]https://www.amazon.com/Dirindina-Full-Score-F-Degrada/dp/063407079
   7 )
   is, naturally, in Italian but there is a literal (practically
   unsingable) English translation in the introduction..
   So much of the drama/comedy lies in these recits that it's vital the
   audience understands them and I'm pessimistic of an English provincial
   audience following Italian. Accordingly I'm doing the work in English
   in a good idiomatic translation by John Flinders which follows the
   recit musical setting . I toyed with the idea of having the recits in
   English and the arias, duets etc in Italian (a known, if rare,
   historical practice) but plumped for all in English.
   The Degrada score has umpteen page turns and not practical for the
   strings - hence why I'm having to write out these parts.  Ah well -
   back to the grindstone.
   Incidentally, it's only around 40 mins long, so the first half of the
   show is Pergolesi's Stabat Mater...  Thus the show is entitled
   'Sacred and Profane - the two faces of Naples'  ,  which may be
   stretching the Neapolitan link a bit, but hopefully attract the
   punters..
   rgds
   M

   On Friday, 10 May 2019, 19:48:53 BST, Lex Eisenhardt
wrote:
   La Dirindina! That must be great fun.
   Best wishes, Lex
   -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
   Van: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
   Namens Martyn Hodgson
   Verzonden: vrijdag 10 mei 2019 16:27
   Aan: 'Lute List' <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Lex Eisenhardt
   <[5]lex.eisenha...@gmail.com>
   Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: PS to Re: De Visee
 Dear Lex,
 I really don't want to keep going over this same ground all the time
   -
 I do have other more pressing things to do (like writing out string
 parts for the first rehearsal of La Dirindina tomorrow)!  But this is
 what I wrote earlier:  'So you know: my own practice on the period
 guitar is to have the RH nails just so long as to provide support to
 the 'nibble' end of the plucking finger.'
 Whether you personally classify this as playing with or without nails
 is entirely up to you.
 regards
 Martyn
 On Friday, 10 May 2019, 14:58:18 BST, Lex Eisenhardt
 <[6]lex.eisenha...@gmail.com> wrote:
 Thanks Martyn.
 Somehow including 'lute players' makes a difference, as now it is
   clear
 that it was not just about 'modern guitar players'. It's still a
 sensitive issue.
 Actually, I read all of your mail. I just wondered what your choice
   for
 no nails was based on.
 Best wishes, Lex
 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
 Van: [1][7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [mailto:[2][8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
 Namens Martyn Hodgson
 Verzonden: vrijdag 10 mei 2019 15:45
 Aan: 'Lute List' <[3][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Lex Eisenhardt
 <[4][10]lex.eisenha...@gmail.com>
 Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: PS to Re: De Visee
   Dear Lex,
   You don't seem to have been able to read all of my earlier PS email
   which, in fact, mentions my own practice - for what it's
   worth...
   Also I'm happy to clarify your query about modern players:
   'Much of it consists of simple assertion by a variety of
 modern
   guitar and lute players  giving their own personal preferences with
 the
   occasional early source mentioned. So not exactly overwhelming
 evidence
   for the historical practice - either way...'.
   regards
   Martyn
   On Friday, 10 May 2019, 14:34:59 BST, Lex Eisenhardt
   <[5][11]lex.eisenha...@gmail.com> wrote:
   A variety of modern guitar players? Hoppy, Nigel, Jose-Miguel and
 Paul?
   The historical sources mentioned by Rebours and Sweeny are roughly
 the
   same, and their inferences differ little indeed.
   Even if the alternative explanation of the anecdote is correct, it
   still does not prove that Corbetta did not use his nails. Do I
   understand it correctly that your choice to play without nails is
 based
   on the assumption that most (prominent) guitarists did not, and
   that
   that was normal practice? Or is it just a personal aesthetic
   choice?
   From what you say, I deduce that you also don't use nails on the
   theorbo.
   Although we have to be careful with it, I think that personal
   experience (and also taste) can make a valid contribution to the
   discussion about tone production. like it was back then too. If
   anything has become clear in recent times, it is that we must guard
   against considering a limited number (by definition) of sources as
   a
   comprehensive reflection of historical reality. We have the task of
   connecting the dots ourselves.
   In the 17th century there probably was little need to take into
 account
   the