[LUTE] Re: weirdest passamezzi
Thanks, Tristan, I took a look, will check them out a bit later. Frankly, any passamezzo with less than 13 variations is fine with me. Can't wait for some groove. -Chris. On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 3:12 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: Well, what did you expect? Maybe you already know all of those... There is some complex rhythmical stuff going on and some quirky chord progressions. Also deliberate coloring of notes by playing them on high frets lower courses etc. Ok, just saying. On 15.05.19 18:38, Ralf Mattes wrote: >Hmm, could you elaborate a bit on why you think those pieces are 'weird'? > To me that's all pretty much what I'd expect ... > BTW - I think there's a typo in those transcriptions - IIRC the library signum for Basel-Universotätsbibliothek > is 'CH-Bu' and not 'C-Bu' (yup, just cecked ...). > >Cheers, RalfD > > Am Mittwoch, 15. Mai 2019 17:26 CEST, Tristan von Neumann <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> schrieb: > >> Playing through Wurstisen Vol. 5 is a lot of fun. >> >> >> Check out these curiosities. Funky Chords and Groovy Rhythms: >> >> >> [3]http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX. 70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/011_passamezzo+saltarello_ af.pdf >> >> [4]http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX. 70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/044_passamezzo_anon.pdf >> >> [5]http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX. 70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/047_passamezzo+saltarello_ anon.pdf >> >> [6]http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX. 70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/072_passamezzo_anon.pdf >> >> [7]http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX. 70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/085_passamezzo+saltarello_ anon.pdf >> >> [8]http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX. 70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/097_passamezzo_anon.pdf >> >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 3. http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/011_passamezzo+saltarello_af.pdf 4. http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/044_passamezzo_anon.pdf 5. http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/047_passamezzo+saltarello_anon.pdf 6. http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/072_passamezzo_anon.pdf 7. http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/085_passamezzo+saltarello_anon.pdf 8. http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/097_passamezzo_anon.pdf 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: weirdest passamezzi
Well, what did you expect? Maybe you already know all of those... There is some complex rhythmical stuff going on and some quirky chord progressions. Also deliberate coloring of notes by playing them on high frets lower courses etc. Ok, just saying. On 15.05.19 18:38, Ralf Mattes wrote: Hmm, could you elaborate a bit on why you think those pieces are 'weird'? To me that's all pretty much what I'd expect ... BTW - I think there's a typo in those transcriptions - IIRC the library signum for Basel-Universotätsbibliothek is 'CH-Bu' and not 'C-Bu' (yup, just cecked ...). Cheers, RalfD Am Mittwoch, 15. Mai 2019 17:26 CEST, Tristan von Neumann schrieb: Playing through Wurstisen Vol. 5 is a lot of fun. Check out these curiosities. Funky Chords and Groovy Rhythms: http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/011_passamezzo+saltarello_af.pdf http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/044_passamezzo_anon.pdf http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/047_passamezzo+saltarello_anon.pdf http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/072_passamezzo_anon.pdf http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/085_passamezzo+saltarello_anon.pdf http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/097_passamezzo_anon.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: ornament in Sturt/ML lute book
Thanks Ron, I don't have a copy at hand of the Boethius ... Is there a clear definition of what a backfall is? I tend to think of it as a descending appogiattura - or pull-off in modern guitar linguo. Alain On 5/15/19 9:54 AM, Ron Andrico wrote: Alain, did you look at Robert Spencer's introductory remarks to the Boethius facsimile? On page xx, he describes your symbol as a backfall. RA __ From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [2] on behalf of Alain Veylit [3] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:26 PM To: Martin Shepherd; Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: ornament in Sturt/ML lute book Thank you Martin, I also found this interesting discussion of lute ornaments on your site: [4]http://www.luteshop.co.uk/dowland/dgraces.html I am wondering if there could be a particular meaning to the 7-shaped sign in Johnson's pavan - if there is one, I have not found it... Alain On 5/15/19 12:36 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: > I think it's a backfall, possibly measured rather than quick. It's > discussed in my article in The Lute (1996). > a > Martin > > On 15/05/2019 01:17, Alain Veylit wrote: >> I just noticed a new (to me) ornament sign in one of Robert >> Johnson's pieces in the ML lute book: it looks like a 7 or a soupir >> and it seems to tie two notes on the same string, from one upper fret >> to a lower one or empty string. >> >> Here is an example where the sign occurs in almost every bar: >> >> [5]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/img/RJohnson-pavan-ML.png >> >> Anyone figured out the exact interpretation of that sign? Slide, pull >> off, other? Does it have a name? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Alain >> >> >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > [7]https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > -- References 1. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com 4. http://www.luteshop.co.uk/dowland/dgraces.html 5. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/img/RJohnson-pavan-ML.png 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
[LUTE] Re: Gamut Music
Thanks for sharing, Ed ! Very interesting video indeed and a nice Canarie on top of it ;-) ! Best, Jean-Marie Le 15/05/2019 à 17:29, Edward Martin a écrit : Dear ones, The local PBS station in northern Minnesota produced a video on Gamut Music, of which I am affiliated. This was recorded 2 months ago, and was aired last month. I hope you find it interesting, as you can see Dan Larson demonstrating finishing touches on a viola d'amore, as well as him doing finishing touches on a lute rose. You can also see some of the Gamut stringmakers in the process of making gut strings, from beginning to completion. As well, I am on the video, playing on an 11-course Frei, 68 cm, in all gut, with silverer gimped strings on 10th and 11th course. For the recording, I played "Canaries" by Ennemond "Vieux" Gaultier I hope you enjoy this. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLKDl0Ww_Tg=youtu.be_sou rce=May+Day+Sale+reminder_campaign=May+Day+Sale_medium=email Best, ed -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLKDl0Ww_Tg=youtu.be_source=May+Day+Sale+reminder_campaign=May+Day+Sale_medium=email To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gamut Music
Great show! Kudos on your playing, Ed. Joseph Mayes From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Edward Martin Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 11:29 AM To: lute net Subject: [LUTE] Gamut Music Dear ones, The local PBS station in northern Minnesota produced a video on Gamut Music, of which I am affiliated. This was recorded 2 months ago, and was aired last month. I hope you find it interesting, as you can see Dan Larson demonstrating finishing touches on a viola d'amore, as well as him doing finishing touches on a lute rose. You can also see some of the Gamut stringmakers in the process of making gut strings, from beginning to completion. As well, I am on the video, playing on an 11-course Frei, 68 cm, in all gut, with silverer gimped strings on 10th and 11th course. For the recording, I played "Canaries" by Ennemond "Vieux" Gaultier I hope you enjoy this. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLKDl0Ww_Tg=youtu.be_sou rce=May+Day+Sale+reminder_campaign=May+Day+Sale_medium=email Best, ed -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLKDl0Ww_Tg=youtu.be_source=May+Day+Sale+reminder_campaign=May+Day+Sale_medium=email To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: weirdest passamezzi
Hmm, could you elaborate a bit on why you think those pieces are 'weird'? To me that's all pretty much what I'd expect ... BTW - I think there's a typo in those transcriptions - IIRC the library signum for Basel-Universotätsbibliothek is 'CH-Bu' and not 'C-Bu' (yup, just cecked ...). Cheers, RalfD Am Mittwoch, 15. Mai 2019 17:26 CEST, Tristan von Neumann schrieb: > Playing through Wurstisen Vol. 5 is a lot of fun. > > > Check out these curiosities. Funky Chords and Groovy Rhythms: > > > http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/011_passamezzo+saltarello_af.pdf > > http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/044_passamezzo_anon.pdf > > http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/047_passamezzo+saltarello_anon.pdf > > http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/072_passamezzo_anon.pdf > > http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/085_passamezzo+saltarello_anon.pdf > > http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/097_passamezzo_anon.pdf > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: ornament in Sturt/ML lute book
I find that interpreting this sign as a backfall or descending appoggiatura sounds pretty convincing in Robert Johnson's pavans. Best, Matthew Le 15 mai 2019 à 17:26, Alain Veylit a écrit : > Thank you Martin, > > I also found this interesting discussion of lute ornaments on your site: > http://www.luteshop.co.uk/dowland/dgraces.html > > I am wondering if there could be a particular meaning to the 7-shaped sign in > Johnson's pavan - if there is one, I have not found it... > > Alain -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: ornament in Sturt/ML lute book
Thank you Martin, I also found this interesting discussion of lute ornaments on your site: http://www.luteshop.co.uk/dowland/dgraces.html I am wondering if there could be a particular meaning to the 7-shaped sign in Johnson's pavan - if there is one, I have not found it... Alain On 5/15/19 12:36 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: I think it's a backfall, possibly measured rather than quick. It's discussed in my article in The Lute (1996). a Martin On 15/05/2019 01:17, Alain Veylit wrote: I just noticed a new (to me) ornament sign in one of Robert Johnson's pieces in the ML lute book: it looks like a 7 or a soupir and it seems to tie two notes on the same string, from one upper fret to a lower one or empty string. Here is an example where the sign occurs in almost every bar: http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/img/RJohnson-pavan-ML.png Anyone figured out the exact interpretation of that sign? Slide, pull off, other? Does it have a name? Thanks, Alain To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
[LUTE] weirdest passamezzi
Playing through Wurstisen Vol. 5 is a lot of fun. Check out these curiosities. Funky Chords and Groovy Rhythms: http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/011_passamezzo+saltarello_af.pdf http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/044_passamezzo_anon.pdf http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/047_passamezzo+saltarello_anon.pdf http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/072_passamezzo_anon.pdf http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/085_passamezzo+saltarello_anon.pdf http://gerbode.net/sources/C-Bu_university_library_basel/ms_F.IX.70_Wurstisen_lute_book/v5_passamezzos/pdf/097_passamezzo_anon.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Gamut Music
Dear ones, The local PBS station in northern Minnesota produced a video on Gamut Music, of which I am affiliated. This was recorded 2 months ago, and was aired last month. I hope you find it interesting, as you can see Dan Larson demonstrating finishing touches on a viola d'amore, as well as him doing finishing touches on a lute rose. You can also see some of the Gamut stringmakers in the process of making gut strings, from beginning to completion. As well, I am on the video, playing on an 11-course Frei, 68 cm, in all gut, with silverer gimped strings on 10th and 11th course. For the recording, I played "Canaries" by Ennemond "Vieux" Gaultier I hope you enjoy this. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLKDl0Ww_Tg=youtu.be_sou rce=May+Day+Sale+reminder_campaign=May+Day+Sale_medium=email Best, ed -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLKDl0Ww_Tg=youtu.be_source=May+Day+Sale+reminder_campaign=May+Day+Sale_medium=email To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: ornament in Sturt/ML lute book
I think it's a backfall, possibly measured rather than quick. It's discussed in my article in The Lute (1996). Martin On 15/05/2019 01:17, Alain Veylit wrote: I just noticed a new (to me) ornament sign in one of Robert Johnson's pieces in the ML lute book: it looks like a 7 or a soupir and it seems to tie two notes on the same string, from one upper fret to a lower one or empty string. Here is an example where the sign occurs in almost every bar: http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/img/RJohnson-pavan-ML.png Anyone figured out the exact interpretation of that sign? Slide, pull off, other? Does it have a name? Thanks, Alain To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
