[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-27 Thread howard posner


> On May 27, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Ed Durbrow  wrote:
> 
> I visited a violin and ukelele maker here in Japan who used a plant as 
> sandpaper. He grew it right outside the door.

Yes, he’s famous for taking wood and nearly-finished instruments and rubbing 
them up against that pine tree outside his door, but most luthiers find that 
technique inefficient.



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[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-27 Thread Ed Durbrow
I visited a violin and ukelele maker here in Japan who used a plant as 
sandpaper. He grew it right outside the door.

On May 28, 2019, at 1:29 AM, George Torres  wrote:

> remember
> 
>>   you that also plants exist which were used for thousands
>>> of
> 
>   years to
> 
>>   polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum

Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/








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[LUTE] Re: 19-century guitar after Johann Georg Stauffer for sale

2019-05-27 Thread Braig, Eugene
Oddly, I can see the links in my own reply.  Never mind.

E


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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu  On Behalf Of Braig, 
Eugene
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 3:44 PM
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: 19-century guitar after Johann Georg Stauffer for sale

I'd like to see, but the links didn't translate to the lute list.

Best,
Eugene


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Birula
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 11:19 AM
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Subject: [LUTE] 19-century guitar after Johann Georg Stauffer for sale

   [1]Dear Friends, due to some concept changes, we decided to sell this
   wonderful guitar. We would like it to go to someone who needs a great
   romatic guitar and will make a good use of it.
   Here is the recording of it :
   [2]Augustin Barrios Mangore, Aire de Zamba, Anna Kowalska - 19th
   century guitar www.luteduo.com

[youtube.png]

 Augustin Barrios Mangore, Aire de Zamba, Anna Kowalska - 19th century gu...

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   Warmest wishes, Anna & Anton
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[LUTE] Re: 19-century guitar after Johann Georg Stauffer for sale

2019-05-27 Thread Braig, Eugene
I'd like to see, but the links didn't translate to the lute list.

Best,
Eugene


-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu  On Behalf Of Anton 
Birula
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 11:19 AM
To: Lute List 
Subject: [LUTE] 19-century guitar after Johann Georg Stauffer for sale

   [1]Dear Friends, due to some concept changes, we decided to sell this
   wonderful guitar. We would like it to go to someone who needs a great
   romatic guitar and will make a good use of it.
   Here is the recording of it :
   [2]Augustin Barrios Mangore, Aire de Zamba, Anna Kowalska - 19th
   century guitar www.luteduo.com

[youtube.png]

 Augustin Barrios Mangore, Aire de Zamba, Anna Kowalska - 19th century gu...

   below you find a fb link to album with pics.
   Warmest wishes, Anna & Anton
   [3]Lute and guitar players

   [facebook.png]

   Lute and guitar players

Lute can refer generally to any plucked string instrument with a neck
(either fretted or unfretted) and a deep r...

   --

References

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   1. 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/145519975494892/permalink/2270038826376319/
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   3. 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/145519975494892/permalink/2270038826376319/

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[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-27 Thread George Torres
John and Antonio,

Sorry for the late response, but with the end of the school year upon us, I 
hadn’t the opportunity to consult my sources that led me to my comment that 
Sor used a nail on his thumb.  I was in error abut that, but not about Sor 
using nails for special effect.  Antonio, thanks for alerting me to that quote. 
 Funny, if you had looked at the text just before the one you quoted in his 
method, you would've see the following.

>From his method (1830):

“Comme le hautbois a un son tout-à-fait nasal, non seulement j’attaque la 
corde le plus près que possible du chevalet, mais je courbe mes doigts, et 
j’emploie le peu d’ongle que j’ai pour les attaquer: c’est le seul cas 
où j’ai cru pouvoir m’en servir sans inconvénient.” (21)

Translation by A. Merrick:

"As the hautboy has quite a nasal sound, I not only touch the strings as near 
as possible to the bridge but I curve my fingers and use the little nail that I 
possess to set them in vibration and this is the only case which I have thought 
myself able to employ the nail without inconvenience." (16-17)

The quote "Never in my life have I heard a guitarist whose playing was, 
supportable if he played with the nails…” refers to exclusive nail playing, 
as Aguado had practiced (that is, until he met Sor, after which the former 
began to use only flesh for the thumb).  So it’s pretty clear from the quote 
that Sor kept his nails very short, so as to employ the fleshy part of the 
fingertip in almost all of his playing.  Nevertheless, based on Sor’s own 
words, we cannot say that he never used the nails of the right hand in playing.

Cheers,
Jorge


> On May 9, 2019, at 12:37 AM, John Mardinly  wrote:
> 
> My suspicion would be that the nails Sor heard were just not prepared well.
> 
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> Classical Guitarist/Lutenist
> 
>> On May 8, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Antonio Corona  wrote:
>> 
>>  Sor's words:
>>  Never in my life have I heard a guitarist whose playing was
>>  supportable, if he played with the nails. The nails can produce but
>>  very few gradations in the quality of the sound: the piano passages can
>>  never be singing, nor the fortes sufficiently full. Their performance
>>  is, to mine, what the harpsichord was in comparison to the
>>  pianoforteâthe piano passages were always jingling, and, in the fortes,
>>  the noise of the keys predominated over the sound of the wires. It is
>>  necessary that the performance of Mr. Aguado should have so many
>>  excellent qualities as it possesses, to excuse his employment of the
>>  nails ; and he himself would have condemned the use of them if he had
>>  not attained such a degree of agility, nor found himself beyond the
>>  time of life in which we are able to contend against the bend of the
>>  fingers acquired by a long habitude.
>>  Best wishes,
>>  Antonio
>>__
>> 
>>  From: George Torres 
>>  To: Roman Turovsky 
>>  Cc: magnus andersson ; Martyn Hodgson
>>  ; Lute List ; Monica
>>  Hall 
>>  Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019, 11:45
>>  Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
>>  Sor reportedly used a nail on his thumb, for special effect, after
>>  meeting Aguado, who did play with nails.
>>> On May 8, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Roman Turovsky <[1]r.turov...@gmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fernando Sor.
>>> RT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/8/2019 9:35 AM, magnus andersson wrote:
  Do we have any evidence of any historical guitar or theorbo
>>  player who
  explicitly played without fingernails?
 
  [1]Skickat frÃÆÃ ¥n Yahoo Mail fÃÆÃ ¶r iPhone
 
  Den onsdag, maj 8, 2019, 3:20 em, skrev Martyn Hodgson
  <[2]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
 
Hear! hear!.
 
And just because some theorbo players used nails by no means
>>  that De
 
Visee did. This is, of course, how modern myths
>>  start
 
Martyn
 
On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, 11:09:58 BST, Monica Hall
 
<[2][3]mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
 
Corbetta didn't have to pay his musicians out of his own pocket
>>  -
 
that's just another myth. The relevant source states that
 
Every foreign musician who performed at court in Turin was
>>  given 500
 
Thlr. and Madame Royale wished to show her generosity by not
 
withholding anything [from Signor Corbetta].
 
Madame Royale was the mother of Victor Amadeus, the ruler of
>>  Savoy at
 
the time when Corbetta visited the town to perform.
 
We don't actually know whether De Visee played with his nails.
 
Monica
 
> On 07 May 2019 at 22:20 magnus andersson
 
<[1][3][4]maan7...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
 
> 
 
> 
 
>  Dear collective wisdom,
 
>  From what I have understood, it seems like manicure has
>>  been
 
around
 

[LUTE] 19-century guitar after Johann Georg Stauffer for sale

2019-05-27 Thread Anton Birula
   [1]Dear Friends, due to some concept changes, we decided to sell this
   wonderful guitar. We would like it to go to someone who needs a great
   romatic guitar and will make a good use of it.
   Here is the recording of it :
   [2]Augustin Barrios Mangore, Aire de Zamba, Anna Kowalska - 19th
   century guitar www.luteduo.com

[youtube.png]

 Augustin Barrios Mangore, Aire de Zamba, Anna Kowalska - 19th century gu...

   below you find a fb link to album with pics.
   Warmest wishes, Anna & Anton
   [3]Lute and guitar players

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[LUTE] BEMF Fringe Concert

2019-05-27 Thread Eric Hansen
   Lute Listers,
   This is to announce a Boston Early Music Festival Fringe Concert by my
   trio, Entwyned Early Music.   We'll be playing on Wednesday, June 12,
   2019 at 2:00 p.m. at The College Club of Boston, 44 Commonwealth
   Avenue, Boston, MA. Here are particulars about the program:
   Grounds Abound: Catchy Chords and Righteous Riffs
   Repeated chord patterns called Grounds were a force for musical unity
   from the 16th and into the 17th century. The three musicians in
   Entwyned Early Music play traverso, harp, Baroque guitar, lutes, and
   viola da gamba to run down the grounds from England, Italy, and Spain
   from about 1550 till about 1700, featuring historic written-out
   improvisations plus ideas of their own. Entwyned will also explore
   theme and variations in a delightful set of curious Scotts tunes.
   The actual program is [1]here.
   I'll hope to see you there!
   Best to all,
   Eric
   --
   Eric Hansen
   Librarian & lutenist

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References

   1. http://entwynedearlymusic.org/docs/EEM Program.pdf


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