[LUTE] Re: To repeat or not to repeat
Dear Rainer it is Fantasia 34, I checked Chiesa and Schrade editions. I forgot to say that in the triple time section (look at bar 72) the repetition lacks the divisions found at the beginning, so it is not easily recognizable. The music anyway is basically the same. Best, andrea Il giorno lun 25 feb 2019 alle ore 17:15 Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> ha scritto: Dear Andrea, On 24.02.2019 23:03, Andrea Damiani wrote: > Dear Rainer > > I play this piece since many years and I never realized it could be a mistake, perhaps because this fantasia sounds for me like a âbattle' piece and the repetition allows to make some different dynamic effects. > > Anyway I found an other occurrence of repetition in MIlan, albeit a bit more hidden: in the fantasia 34 the first 25 measures are repeated, in proporcion de tres semibreves, from bar 76. Difficult to say if he is asking for a different accentuation. > Which piece do you call fantasia 34? According to Jacobs and Chieasa it is the piece on O1r. However, it does not match you description?!? Best wishes, Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: To repeat or not to repeat
Dear Rainer I play this piece since many years and I never realized it could be a mistake, perhaps because this fantasia sounds for me like a âbattle' piece and the repetition allows to make some different dynamic effects. Anyway I found an other occurrence of repetition in MIlan, albeit a bit more hidden: in the fantasia 34 the first 25 measures are repeated, in proporcion de tres semibreves, from bar 76. Difficult to say if he is asking for a different accentuation. Best whishes Andrea Il giorno sab 23 feb 2019 alle ore 11:45 Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> ha scritto: Dear lute netters, I think I posted this already 20 years ago - I cannot remember. In Milan's fantasia 22 (Maestro, G2r-G3v) bars 107-167 are (apart from s a single misprinted note) an exact copy of bars 41-101. I wonder if this is really intended. Of course, as we know from the errata list at the end of the book, Milan obviously checked the whole book for errors and why should he have missed such an error. On the other hand 60 repeated bars... I am not aware of a similar case in other fantasias. Any opinions? Best wishes, Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo
Dear Diego I can add: F. Gasparini: L'oracolo del fato (Garland facsimile) T. Albinoni: Il nascimento dell'Aurora (unfortunately I have not the music, I played it many years ago, the ms. should be in Wien) G.B. Pergolesi: La morte di San Giovanni (I haven't this any more...) F.B. Conti: David (I can find this out but need some time...) Andrea 2015-02-03 10:57 GMT+01:00 Diego Cantalupi [1]tio...@gmail.com: Dear friends, For a project in the Conservatorio where I teach I'm collecting some arias with obbligato lute and theorbo. At the moment I have all the Bach music, all the HACURndel, some Vivaldi, a cantata by Ferrandini and (the funny) Zandonai. Do you have any other suggestions? What I'm looking for is not lute as an obbligato continuo instrument, but as a solo instrument (like Bach's Johannespassion). Greetings, Diego Inviato da iPad To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:tio...@gmail.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: free places
In any case this is the correct link: [1]http://www.conservatoriosantacecilia.it/ammissioni-ed-iscrizi oni,1208.html Unfortunately there is not any information in English. The bachelor's degree course is three years long and an upper school degree s needed for admission. The master is two years long and a music bachelor degree or any other university degree is needed for admission. Deadline for application: 5th september Admission examination: 28th september best, Andrea 2013/8/8 Andrea Damiani [2]andreadelli...@gmail.com Hello everybody, I would like to inform that there are some free places in my lute class at Conservatorio Santa Cecilia, Rome Here the details. Andrea [1][3]http://www.conservatoriosantacecilia.it/ammissioni-ed-iscrizio ni,120 8.html -- References 1. [4]http://www.conservatoriosantacecilia.it/ammissioni-ed-iscrizioni, 1208.html To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.conservatoriosantacecilia.it/ammissioni-ed-iscrizioni,1208.html 2. mailto:andreadelli...@gmail.com 3. http://www.conservatoriosantacecilia.it/ammissioni-ed-iscrizioni,120 4. http://www.conservatoriosantacecilia.it/ammissioni-ed-iscrizioni,1208.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] free places
Hello everybody, I would like to inform that there are some free places in my lute class at Conservatorio Santa Cecilia, Rome Here the details. Andrea [1]http://www.conservatoriosantacecilia.it/ammissioni-ed-iscrizioni,120 8.html -- References 1. http://www.conservatoriosantacecilia.it/ammissioni-ed-iscrizioni,1208.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Lutenist proud
Dear friends, I seem to remember having read somewhere a story about a French lutenist (Vieux Gautier perhaps) playing before some king: the king praises his playing but adds something like It is a pity he doesnt play the guitar provoking the lutenists anger. Does anybody can help me finding the quotation (if didnt dream about this story)? Thank you in advance Andrea -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lutenist proud
Thank you Mathias: this helps me in remembering that the source could perhaps be found in: Lionel de La Laurencie, Le Luthiste Jacques Gaultier, (Revue Musicale, January 1904) I think I had this article but can't find it anymore Andrea Il giorno 29/ago/2012, alle ore 18.59, Jorge Torres ha scritto: It figures that it would be a Spanish king! =) Would anyone have a source for this fact? Jorge On Aug 29, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Mathias Rösel wrote: Dear friends, I seem to remember having read somewhere a story about a French lutenist (Vieux Gautier perhaps) playing before some king: the king praises his playing but adds something like “It is a pity he doesn’t play the guitar” provoking the lutenist’s anger. Does anybody can help me finding the quotation (if didn’t dream about this story)? That is about Jacques Gaultier, playing before the Spanish king in 1630. Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baron concerto for lute and recorder
Thans to everybody for the information! Andrea Il giorno 12/giu/11, alle ore 22:43, henk...@matuka.nl ha scritto: Hey Andrea, I suppose that would be the Brussels Manuscript http://www.alamirefoundation.org/en/publications/ernst-gottlieb-baron-sylvius-leopold-weiss-music-lute-%E2%80%A6-brussel-koninklijke-bibliotheek http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Musiques/Les_compositeurs/Ernst_Gottlieb_Baron/Baron.htm Regards, Henk-Jan de Jong On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:31:03 +0200, Andrea Damiani wrote: Dear friends do you know anything about the source of the Baron d minor Concerto for lute and recorder published by Seicento Ed? No information is available in this edition and the lute part sounds very much as if it were Weiss. Any help? Thanks a lot Andrea To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Baron concerto for lute and recorder
Dear friends do you know anything about the source of the Baron d minor Concerto for lute and recorder published by Seicento Ed? No information is available in this edition and the lute part sounds very much as if it were Weiss. Any help? Thanks a lot Andrea To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bloody French
Hello, some clarification from Italy: Gia molti anni sono che in Bologna, si faceuano liuti di bonta molto eccelenti o FOSSE [not sosie] l'esser fatti di forma lunga à similitudine di pera, o fosse l'hauer le coste larghe, che l'vno fa dolce, e l'altro armonioso; fosse... fosse... in this case should not be meant in really dubitative sense, can be translated as BOTH... AND... L'UNO is referred to the pear shape, L'ALTRO to the large ribs: the former makes [the sound] sweet, the latter harmonious Best, Andrea Il giorno 02/mag/08, alle ore 00:33, Benjamin Narvey ha scritto: Dear Gernot and Duncan, Thank you both SO MUCH for your help; I was able to get the gist of it, but I really wanted to know more precisely what was being said - or rather, more precisely what it was that I was misunderstanding Unfortunately, in the LS journal translation by Stanley Buetens, this particular section is left out since it is somehow considered to be outside the scope of this article (p. 15). Aaaargh. You're brilliant!!! (; Big THANKS again! Best wishes, Benjamin 2008/5/1 Duncan Midwinter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: More or less this is what it says... It has already been a long time since excellent lutes were built in Bologna, and maybe for their long shape similar to a pear that make them sweet, maybe for their wide ribs? that make them harmonious, anyway, for their goodness they were kept in high esteem and in particular by the French that came to Bologna on purpose to bring them to France paying for them any amount they were asked. In this way now you can find a very small number of them. And also very big lutes were built and they were much valued in Bologna to play passiemezi, arias, other similar pieces in concert with other small lutes. Duncan Midwinter -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Benjamin Narvey Luthiste: http://www.luthiste.com --
[LUTE] Re: Piccinini notation query
I think the dot on the left of the crotchet means that it takes some value from the preceding tactus. It could be: minim - 3semiquavers - 1semiquaver tied to the crotchet. or: minim - semiquavers triplet - dotted crotchet. The first seems to sound more natural. Il giorno 02/dic/07, alle ore 15:25, Rob ha scritto: What do you think Piccinini is indicating here? http://www.rmguitar.info/temp.htm Bar 2 and similar: minim.triplet semiquavers.crotchet? Rob MacKillop www.rmguitar.info -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Denss facsimile
Thanks to everybody who gave advise about Denss! Andrea Il giorno 28/ott/07, alle ore 11:48, wolfgang wiehe ha scritto: Hello, you can order it via seicento http://www.seicentomusic.de/ 3623 Denss, AdrianFlorilegium omnis...(1594) 48,00 € Greetings wolfgang -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Richard Corran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Oktober 2007 09:17 An: Andrea Damiani; Lute Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Denss facsimile I have a facsimile published by Dr. Bernd Chr. Becker, Koln, 1994. It wasn't expensive - in fact really very cheap, but is clear and based on the copy in the Stadt- und Universitatsbibliothek Koln, 1an WC II 3.What I can't find, quickly, is his address. Can anyone else help? Richard Corran On 27 Oct 2007, at 16:14, Andrea Damiani wrote: Hello, I am trying to find a complete facsimile of Adrian Denss Florilegium (I have the selection from TREE ed). Anybody can help me? Thanks, Andrea To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Denss facsimile
Hello, I am trying to find a complete facsimile of Adrian Denss Florilegium (I have the selection from TREE ed). Anybody can help me? Thanks, Andrea To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gorzanis 1570
Hello, try to order the book from: http://www.lastanzadellamusica.com/ they should be able to find it. Andrea Il giorno 28/mar/07, alle ore 05:43, Alfonso Marin ha scritto: Dear All, I am looking for a facsimile edition of the following book by Gorzanis, Giacomo: Il primo libro di napolitane che si cantano et sonano in leuto published in 1570. It is for voice and lute. The original is in the Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale di Firenze but they don't offer reproduction services. However in their website they have listed what appears to be a modern edition and facsimile of the book. This is the reference: Gorzanis, Giacomo Il primo libro di napolitane che si cantano et sonano in leuto / Iacomo Gorzanis ; trascrizione in notazione moderna di Giuliano Balestra Roma : [s. n.], 2001 (Roma. : Aurelia 72). [28] c. ; 32 cm Con la ripr. facs. dell'ed. del 1570. - In testa al front.: Ministero per i beni e le attivit=E0 culturali; Centro culturale Fernando Sor I have researched for the book on the internet and found no matches. Could anyone help me to locate this book? Thanks very much in advance, Best wishes to all, Alfonso Marin -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
Re: Gianoncelli ornaments 1650
Mathias Roesel wrote: So, I'd say that combinations of trills or mordents with appogiature from above or below were European, not only French. BTW in French baroque lute music, mordents or trills do _not_ always start from upper notes. Have a look into Jacques Gallot's table of ornaments (1670). -- Best wishes, Dear Mathias, I have here my Minkoff copy of Gallot's Pieces de luth but I can'find any clue to main note trills. Can you please show me where it is? I can just find common ornaments like tremblement, martellement (this is obviously from the main note) and chute. Thank you, Andrea -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
