[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute
James, Please don't worry about it. That is fine. Sounds like I was not so far off in my understanding. Certainly the world of lute is new to me, but I was having a bit of a panic attack in that I'm about 1/3 to 1/2 done building this thing and suddenly feared there was something REALLY major that I was missing in my understanding. Sometimes I lose myself in the details and drift away from the bigger picture. Thanks for drawing me back in. And yes, I agree that I think I would like with the F at A440 for a richer sound. I have my mandolins for a brighter sound if that's what I'm in the mood for. Thanks again, Paul -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of James Jackson Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:09 PM To: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute My huge apologies to Paul and everyone else - I really embarrassed myself there - Paul emailed me personally and my last reply to Paul was intended to be emailed directly and my stupid email set up automatically CC'ed it to everyone on the list. So, to Paul, I really do apologise and everyone else too. Made a little bit of a fool of myself there. James. On 3 January 2013 02:51, James Jackson <[1]weirdgeor...@googlemail.com> wrote: From: James Jackson [mailto:[2]weirdgeor...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 2:49 PM To: Paul Daverman Cc: [3]lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [LUTE-BUILDER] Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute Hi Paul, I'll be honest, a scale of 65cm would be much more suited for a pitch of F at AD0 - I think you'll find with a lute that is a little larger, like this one, will sound so much better at that pitch. The whole instrument will resonate better if you string it at the pitch it was designed for, as I highly doubt the original instrument was ever tuned to the equivalent of G at AD0, more likely the instrument was at F at modern pitch. James On 1 January 2013 20:02, Paul Daverman <[4]daverman.p...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: I am building a 10 cs. lute per Robert Lundberg's plans (10-cs Renaissance Lute, Dieffopruchar 1612). I am to the point where I have begun looking at strings so that I have an idea of diameters, etc. As this is my first lute build, I am looking at Nylgut and am looking to tune to AD0. One of the suppliers to which I have inquired has said that in A440 tuning, they have no strings at 65cm length that can take the tension for the chanderelle (and that no gut could either.) He said that the instrument was probably meant for A92 and while he could supply strings in either tuning, I'd have to look elsewhere for a string for the chanderelle if I chose A440. I am wondering if any of you can talk to this topic. Would I be over stressing the lute if I tune to the modern tuning of A440? Would A392 have been the intended tuning or maybe A415? What other repercussions of tuning one way vs. another should I know about? My music theory is a bit poor - is the difference between going from A440 tuning to A392 really any different that transposing down a (??) major second? Any word to help get all this straight in my mind would be appreciated. While I understand that "pitch" is all relative, I'm having a difficult time getting my arms around the practical understanding of what I should do for stringing. Thanks. Paul -- To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:weirdgeor...@googlemail.com 2. mailto:weirdgeor...@googlemail.com 3. mailto:lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:daverman.p...@sbcglobal.net 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE-BUILDER] Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute
I am building a 10 cs. lute per Robert Lundberg's plans (10-cs Renaissance Lute, Dieffopruchar 1612). I am to the point where I have begun looking at strings so that I have an idea of diameters, etc. As this is my first lute build, I am looking at Nylgut and am looking to tune to AD0. One of the suppliers to which I have inquired has said that in A440 tuning, they have no strings at 65cm length that can take the tension for the chanderelle (and that no gut could either.) He said that the instrument was probably meant for A92 and while he could supply strings in either tuning, I'd have to look elsewhere for a string for the chanderelle if I chose A440. I am wondering if any of you can talk to this topic. Would I be over stressing the lute if I tune to the modern tuning of A440? Would A392 have been the intended tuning or maybe A415? What other repercussions of tuning one way vs. another should I know about? My music theory is a bit poor - is the difference between going from A440 tuning to A392 really any different that transposing down a (??) major second? Any word to help get all this straight in my mind would be appreciated. While I understand that "pitch" is all relative, I'm having a difficult time getting my arms around the practical understanding of what I should do for stringing. Thanks. Paul -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Neck veneer inlay
Thank you much for the suggestions! -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Hartig Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:12 PM To: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Neck veneer inlay I don't know if anyone has responded privately yet, but I just noticed that David Van Edwards has a new feature on his site where one can see the current project he is working on, which just so happens to include images of him doing a neck veneer inlay: [1]https://picasaweb.google.com/113751643198470818818/WhatIAmBuildingAt TheMoment?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite AMH At 06:37 PM 11/26/2011, Paul Daverman wrote: I am wondering if anyone has any words of guidance concerning inlay on the veneer for the back of the lute neck. My hunch is that it wouldn't work well to do the inlay while the veneer is still flat. But I'm also not too sure of how you'd go about inlay on a curved surface. Anyone have experience with this? Paul -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://picasaweb.google.com/113751643198470818818/WhatIAmBuildingAtTheMomen t?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE-BUILDER] Neck veneer inlay
I am wondering if anyone has any words of guidance concerning inlay on the veneer for the back of the lute neck. My hunch is that it wouldn't work well to do the inlay while the veneer is still flat. But I'm also not too sure of how you'd go about inlay on a curved surface. Anyone have experience with this? Paul -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE-BUILDER] Re:
Okay. You've all talked me out of the western red cedar for the sound board. As this will be my first lute, I don't really feel the need to "experiment". Thank you all for the comments and advice! Now...what to do with that nice piece of cedar I stumbled upon? Thanks, Paul -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Does anyone have experience using western red cedar for the lute sound board? (I'm building a 10-cs Ren. Dieffopruchar.) I'm guessing it would need to be thicker than a spruce top. However, I'm not sure how much thicker I should expect it to be. Thanks, Paul -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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I have two questions -both related to Robert Lundberg's book on Historical Lute Construction - that perhaps some of you veteran lute builders can comment on. First. In his Practicum 1, he shows the steps to making a lute mould. The last photo in this chapter shows a mould completely smooth and rounded. No mention is made regarding placing facets/flats corresponding to the ribs which will later be assembled on it. In subsequent chapters, moulds are shown with what appears to be the facets constructed on the mould. Is facet/no facet an option based on preference? I can think of possible advantages to either, but I have no actual experience to know. Any thoughts? Second. Does anyone know where templates for floral inlay (such as on a neck) can be obtained? I would like to try this type of inlay, but don't think I'm artistic enough to create my own. Thanks for your thoughts! -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE-BUILDER] What to build.
I am considering building a lute. Unfortunately, I have little knowledge of the lute other that hearing the wonderful, mellow tone of the lute on various recordings. I see there are plans available for building various types of lutes. Does any one know of a resource that has a list of the various types of lutes and a sound sampling of each type? So far, I have built a dulcimer (hammered), two mandolins, and am currently working on a violin. (I also built two ukuleles for the kids, but somehow it doesn't seem like those count.) I am looking to build a plucked instrument with a richer, more mellow sound than the mandolins. Any ideas on what type of lute? Thanks for any suggestions. Paul -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
