[LUTE] Re: Belle, qui tiens ma vie
I have just realised that the link to Anton's intavolation of Cabezon's "Diferencias sobre La Dama Le Demanda" in the Lute list archive from 2012-01-25 is dead, but fortunately Anton has also uploaded it to IMSLP, as he so often does with his prolific work: https://imslp.org/wiki/Diferencias_sobre_'La_Dama_Le_Demanda'_(Cabez%C3%B3n%2C_Antonio_de) And of course Anton's last name is spelled Höger, I beg pardon for the typo in my previous email. J. Den tors 15 aug. 2019 kl 10:19 skrev Josef Berger : > > Perhaps this helps: > > Antonio de Cabezón (1570) has published a set of variations > (diferencias) called "La dama le demanda" in his OBRAS DE MUSICA PARA > TECLA, ARPA Y VIHUELA (1570): > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_3ZD_5_Erg > https://imslp.org/wiki/Diferencias_sobre_%27La_Dama_Le_Demanda%27_%28Cabez%C3%B3n,_Antonio_de%29#IMSLP330520 > > Anton Högler has intavolated this in 2012 see [LUTE] archive, 2012-01-25 > https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg38983.html > > Also the ground of his "Diferencias sobre la pavana italiana" is very > similar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6OjQ5J4kkk > > According to Maurice Esses, a quite similar (but not identical) > harmonic-metric scheme "is found in a lute piece by Becchi, published > in Venice in 1568, called Madama mi domanda" (Esses 1992: p.629) > > Maurice Esses (1992): Dance and instrumental diferencias in Spain > during the 17th and early 18th centuries. Volume I: History and > background, music and dance. New York: Pendragon Press. > > Den lör 10 aug. 2019 kl 18:35 skrev Rainer : > > > > This doesn't help you but may be intersting: > > > > The piece already appears (decades before Arbeau) in the organ tablature > > book of Jan von Lublin under the title "Zaklolam szÿa tharnem" (??). > > > > It also appears in the so-called "Fitzwilliam Virginal Book" as "Corranto." > > on page 327 set by Byrd. > > > > This version also appears in the Hirsch Lute Book f. 10v > > and in the Kassel lute book (discussed a few day ago) f. 4r "Courante" > > > > Rainer > > > > On 10.08.2019 12:21, Jörg Hilbert wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > does anybody know any lute version of »Belle qui tiens ma vie « > > > (Thinot > > > Arbeau)? > > > Thanks > > > Jörg > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > >
[LUTE] Re: Belle, qui tiens ma vie
That didn't work, alas. Here https://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Arbeau,_Thoinot In the "complete" facsimile of the original "Belle qui tiens" is on folios 30-32v. And the link to modern scores follows. ajn -Original Message- From: Arthur Ness To: pastimesmusic ; harpolekare ; lute Sent: Thu, Aug 15, 2019 10:27 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Belle, qui tiens ma vie Several scores in imslp: [1]https://imslp.org/wiki/OrchÃÃà ©sographie_(Arbeau,_Thoinot) ajn -Original Message- From: RCP <[2]pastimesmu...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> To: Josef Berger <[3]harpolek...@gmail.com>; lute List -- References 1. https://imslp.org/wiki/OrchÃÃà ©sographie_ 2. mailto:pastimesmu...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:harpolek...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Belle, qui tiens ma vie
Several scores in imslp:
https://imslp.org/wiki/Orchésographie_(Arbeau,_Thoinot)
ajn
-Original Message-
From: RCP
To: Josef Berger ; lute List
Sent: Thu, Aug 15, 2019 9:08 am
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Belle, qui tiens ma vie
There is a transcription for lute and melody instrument in 'Easy
Duets
for Two Lutes of a melody instrument and lute' Anne Bailes ed, Tree
Editions, M??nchen
On 8/15/2019 4:16 AM, Josef Berger wrote:
Perhaps this helps:
Antonio de Cabez??n (1570) has published a set of variations
(diferencias) called "La dama le demanda" in his OBRAS DE MUSICA PARA
TECLA, ARPA Y VIHUELA (1570):
[1][1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_3ZD_5_Erg
[2][2]https://imslp.org/wiki/Diferencias_sobre_%27La_Dama_Le_Demanda%27
_%28Cabez%C3
%B3n,_Antonio_de%29#IMSLP330520
Anton H??gler has intavolated this in 2012 see [LUTE] archive,
2012-01-25
[3][3]https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg38983.html
Also the ground of his "Diferencias sobre la pavana italiana" is very
similar. [4][4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6OjQ5J4kkk
According to Maurice Esses, a quite similar (but not identical)
harmonic-metric scheme "is found in a lute piece by Becchi, published
in Venice in 1568, called Madama mi domanda" (Esses 1992: p.629)
Maurice Esses (1992): Dance and instrumental diferencias in Spain
during the 17th and early 18th centuries. Volume I: History and
background, music and dance. New York: Pendragon Press.
Den l??r 10 aug. 2019 kl 18:35 skrev Rainer
[5]<[5]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>:
This doesn't help you but may be intersting:
The piece already appears (decades before Arbeau) in the organ
tablature book of
Jan von Lublin under the title "Zaklolam sz??a tharnem" (??).
It also appears in the so-called "Fitzwilliam Virginal Book" as
"Corranto." on p
age 327 set by Byrd.
This version also appears in the Hirsch Lute Book f. 10v
and in the Kassel lute book (discussed a few day ago) f. 4r "Courante"
Rainer
On 10.08.2019 12:21, J??rg Hilbert wrote:
Dear all,
does anybody know any lute version of Belle qui tiens ma vie
(Thino
t
Arbeau)?
Thanks
Jrg
To get on or off this list see list information at
[6][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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References
1. [7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_3ZD_5_Erg
2.
[8]https://imslp.org/wiki/Diferencias_sobre_'La_Dama_Le_Demanda'_(Cabez
ón,_Antonio_de)#IMSLP330520
3.
[9]https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg38983.html
4. [10]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6OjQ5J4kkk
5. mailto:[11]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de
6. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
--
References
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_3ZD_5_Erg
2. https://imslp.org/wiki/Diferencias_sobre_'La_Dama_Le_Demanda'_(CabezÃ
3. https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg38983.html
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6OjQ5J4kkk
5. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de
6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_3ZD_5_Erg
8. https://imslp.org/wiki/Diferencias_sobre_'La_Dama_Le_Demanda'_
9. https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg38983.html
10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6OjQ5J4kkk
11. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de
12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Belle, qui tiens ma vie
There is a transcription for lute and melody instrument in 'Easy Duets for Two Lutes of a melody instrument and lute' Anne Bailes ed, Tree Editions, M??nchen On 8/15/2019 4:16 AM, Josef Berger wrote: Perhaps this helps: Antonio de Cabez??n (1570) has published a set of variations (diferencias) called "La dama le demanda" in his OBRAS DE MUSICA PARA TECLA, ARPA Y VIHUELA (1570): [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_3ZD_5_Erg [2]https://imslp.org/wiki/Diferencias_sobre_%27La_Dama_Le_Demanda%27_%28Cabez%C3 %B3n,_Antonio_de%29#IMSLP330520 Anton H??gler has intavolated this in 2012 see [LUTE] archive, 2012-01-25 [3]https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg38983.html Also the ground of his "Diferencias sobre la pavana italiana" is very similar. [4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6OjQ5J4kkk According to Maurice Esses, a quite similar (but not identical) harmonic-metric scheme "is found in a lute piece by Becchi, published in Venice in 1568, called Madama mi domanda" (Esses 1992: p.629) Maurice Esses (1992): Dance and instrumental diferencias in Spain during the 17th and early 18th centuries. Volume I: History and background, music and dance. New York: Pendragon Press. Den l??r 10 aug. 2019 kl 18:35 skrev Rainer [5]: This doesn't help you but may be intersting: The piece already appears (decades before Arbeau) in the organ tablature book of Jan von Lublin under the title "Zaklolam sz??a tharnem" (??). It also appears in the so-called "Fitzwilliam Virginal Book" as "Corranto." on p age 327 set by Byrd. This version also appears in the Hirsch Lute Book f. 10v and in the Kassel lute book (discussed a few day ago) f. 4r "Courante" Rainer On 10.08.2019 12:21, J??rg Hilbert wrote: Dear all, does anybody know any lute version of Belle qui tiens ma vie (Thino t Arbeau)? Thanks Jrg To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_3ZD_5_Erg 2. https://imslp.org/wiki/Diferencias_sobre_'La_Dama_Le_Demanda'_(Cabezón,_Antonio_de)#IMSLP330520 3. https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg38983.html 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6OjQ5J4kkk 5. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Belle, qui tiens ma vie
Perhaps this helps: Antonio de Cabezón (1570) has published a set of variations (diferencias) called "La dama le demanda" in his OBRAS DE MUSICA PARA TECLA, ARPA Y VIHUELA (1570): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_3ZD_5_Erg https://imslp.org/wiki/Diferencias_sobre_%27La_Dama_Le_Demanda%27_%28Cabez%C3%B3n,_Antonio_de%29#IMSLP330520 Anton Högler has intavolated this in 2012 see [LUTE] archive, 2012-01-25 https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg38983.html Also the ground of his "Diferencias sobre la pavana italiana" is very similar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6OjQ5J4kkk According to Maurice Esses, a quite similar (but not identical) harmonic-metric scheme "is found in a lute piece by Becchi, published in Venice in 1568, called Madama mi domanda" (Esses 1992: p.629) Maurice Esses (1992): Dance and instrumental diferencias in Spain during the 17th and early 18th centuries. Volume I: History and background, music and dance. New York: Pendragon Press. Den lör 10 aug. 2019 kl 18:35 skrev Rainer : > > This doesn't help you but may be intersting: > > The piece already appears (decades before Arbeau) in the organ tablature book > of Jan von Lublin under the title "Zaklolam szÿa tharnem" (??). > > It also appears in the so-called "Fitzwilliam Virginal Book" as "Corranto." > on page 327 set by Byrd. > > This version also appears in the Hirsch Lute Book f. 10v > and in the Kassel lute book (discussed a few day ago) f. 4r "Courante" > > Rainer > > On 10.08.2019 12:21, Jörg Hilbert wrote: > > Dear all, > > does anybody know any lute version of »Belle qui tiens ma vie « > > (Thinot > > Arbeau)? > > Thanks > > Jörg > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > >
[LUTE] Re: Belle, qui tiens ma vie
The Hirsch lute book has a [1]coranto version of the piece. --Sarge On 8/10/2019 03:21, Jörg Hilbert wrote: Dear all, does anybody know any lute version of ûBelle qui tiens ma vie ë (Thinot Arbeau)? Thanks JÃÆörg To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://gerbode.net/sources/GB-Bl_british_library/ms_M1353_hirsch_lute_book_1595/pdf/22_coranto_on_belle_qui_tiens_ma_vie_anon_ed.pdf 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Belle, qui tiens ma vie
That's indeed interesting. I just checked the Hirsch version which leaves some room for interpretation it seems (no bar lines). But now I realize that Hassler's "Jungfrau Dein schöne Gstalt" is based on the same model. This could even lead to some confusion when the songs are modified to become a dance. On 10.08.19 18:32, Rainer wrote: This doesn't help you but may be intersting: The piece already appears (decades before Arbeau) in the organ tablature book of Jan von Lublin under the title "Zaklolam szÿa tharnem" (??). It also appears in the so-called "Fitzwilliam Virginal Book" as "Corranto." on page 327 set by Byrd. This version also appears in the Hirsch Lute Book f. 10v and in the Kassel lute book (discussed a few day ago) f. 4r "Courante" Rainer On 10.08.2019 12:21, Jörg Hilbert wrote: Dear all, does anybody know any lute version of »Belle qui tiens ma vie « (Thinot Arbeau)? Thanks Jörg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Belle, qui tiens ma vie
This doesn't help you but may be intersting: The piece already appears (decades before Arbeau) in the organ tablature book of Jan von Lublin under the title "Zaklolam szÿa tharnem" (??). It also appears in the so-called "Fitzwilliam Virginal Book" as "Corranto." on page 327 set by Byrd. This version also appears in the Hirsch Lute Book f. 10v and in the Kassel lute book (discussed a few day ago) f. 4r "Courante" Rainer On 10.08.2019 12:21, Jörg Hilbert wrote: Dear all, does anybody know any lute version of »Belle qui tiens ma vie « (Thinot Arbeau)? Thanks Jörg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Belle, qui tiens ma vie
Don't know whether this helps but there is a short coranta for Pandora based on 'Belle qui tiens ma vie ' in Thomas Morley's First book of consort lessons published in 1599. You would need to adapt to the tuning of the lute or adopt scordatura. Best, Matthew Le 10 août 2019 à 12:21, Jörg Hilbert a écrit : > Dear all, > does anybody know any lute version of »Belle qui tiens ma vie « (Thinot > Arbeau)? > Thanks > Jörg -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Belle qui tiens ma vie
here is a facsimile of the pavan: http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=musdi&fileName=219/musdi219.db&recNum=61 w. Original-Nachricht > Datum: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:33:26 - > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > An: "Lute Net" > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Belle qui tiens ma vie > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008, Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > | Of course, you'll want to learn how to dance "Belle qui tiens," as > > well. > > As this is a typical pavan, it is entirely possible for the dancers to > sing while dancing and the band to dance while playing; I have done both. > > -- > Dana Emery > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Belle qui tiens ma vie
| Of course, you'll want to learn how to dance "Belle qui tiens," as well. | See especially | #26, 36 and 40 here: | | http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/dihtml/divideos.html | | =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= - Original Message - From: "damian dlugolecki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:17 AM Subject: [LUTE] Belle qui tiens ma vie | Are there settings of 'Belle qui tiens ma vie' for 6 course lute by any | renaissance | | composers? | | | | DD | | | | -- | | | To get on or off this list see list information at | http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html |
[LUTE] Re: Belle qui tiens ma vie
Sure Leonard, I'd love to see your arrangement. I'm working on one of my own, and am interested to know if there are contemporary versions out there. Thanks Damian Damian-- I can send you an abctab2ps or pdf file of an arrangement I made from the four-part piece in Orchesographie, but it is for lute (chordal) plus a melody instrument (or voice) on top line. Will that suit your needs? Regards, Leonard Williams /[ ] / \ | * | \_=_/ On 8/30/08 2:17 AM, "damian dlugolecki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Are there settings of 'Belle qui tiens ma vie' for 6 course lute by any renaissance composers? DD -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Belle qui tiens ma vie
Damian-- I can send you an abctab2ps or pdf file of an arrangement I made from the four-part piece in Orchesographie, but it is for lute (chordal) plus a melody instrument (or voice) on top line. Will that suit your needs? Regards, Leonard Williams /[ ] / \ | * | \_=_/ On 8/30/08 2:17 AM, "damian dlugolecki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are there settings of 'Belle qui tiens ma vie' for 6 course lute by any > renaissance > > composers? > > > > DD > > > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
