[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
> In einer eMail vom 29.10.2006 17:31:41 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit > schreibt > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > >> And so does Karamazov. And I prefer EK's brynza to ALK's wensleydale. >> RT > > Someone told me once that Paul O'Dette original name was Paul Audet. > Not sure or very interested if this is true, but if he had changed his > name > to Odettski then I am sure Roman would like his playing :) > > Mark In fact, the most memorable performance he had was in an item called Czarina's Dumpsky. RT == http://polyhymnion.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
On Sunday, Oct 29, 2006, at 08:28 America/Los_Angeles, Roman Turovsky wrote: >> There's a long list of prominent performers who know him for >> precisely that. Start with Paul O'Dette and Ellen Hargis. You can >> start trashing them as well, of course, but I'd suggest not going >> there. > I have gone there before, and so did others. I'm aware that fools often go where musicians fear to tread. I was suggesting that *you* not go there now, particularly when you seem to be in your mid-level rhetorical overkill mode. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
On Sunday, Oct 29, 2006, at 08:43 America/Los_Angeles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Someone told me once that Paul O'Dette original name was Paul Audet. I believe Paul's grandfather changed the name because he was tired of hearing it pronounced "Ah-day". Paul has actually used the old spelling on a at least one Naxos recording. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
In einer eMail vom 29.10.2006 17:31:41 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > And so does Karamazov. And I prefer EK's brynza to ALK's wensleydale. > RT Someone told me once that Paul O'Dette original name was Paul Audet. Not sure or very interested if this is true, but if he had changed his name to Odettski then I am sure Roman would like his playing :) Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
> Ah, the passive voice... > > On Saturday, Oct 28, 2006, at 08:24 America/Los_Angeles, Roman Turovsky > wrote: > >> ALK is >> not exactly known for depth of musical understanding > > There's a long list of prominent performers who know him for precisely > that. Start with Paul O'Dette and Ellen Hargis. You can start > trashing them as well, of course, but I'd suggest not going there. I have gone there before, and so did others. > >> or even scholarly appropriateness. >> He is a fabulous entertainer and a competent performer > > "There are continuo players, and then there's Andrew Lawrence-King." > -- Paul O'Dette. There are some even better. There are even SOLOISTS out there. >> who >> uses the same manner from troubadours to Teddy Bear's Picnic. > > He does have his own style. And so does Karamazov. And I prefer EK's brynza to ALK's wensleydale. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
Ah, the passive voice... On Saturday, Oct 28, 2006, at 08:24 America/Los_Angeles, Roman Turovsky wrote: > ALK is > not exactly known for depth of musical understanding There's a long list of prominent performers who know him for precisely that. Start with Paul O'Dette and Ellen Hargis. You can start trashing them as well, of course, but I'd suggest not going there. > or even scholarly appropriateness. > He is a fabulous entertainer and a competent performer "There are continuo players, and then there's Andrew Lawrence-King." -- Paul O'Dette. > who > uses the same manner from troubadours to Teddy Bear's Picnic. He does have his own style. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
"Post Bachist" may be too glib. I was referring to musicians who take Bach as the beginning of "real music". Many of these musicians regard lute music, at least pre-Bach, as inferior and regard those who love it as quirky. Gary - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? In einer eMail vom 29.10.2006 09:13:54 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Many post Bachists regard an interest in lute music and early music in general, this way, i.e. asserting the superiority of what is inferior. What does a post Bachist believe and what does a Bachist believe? Could you please give me an example of "asserting the superiority of what is inferior". best wishes Mark -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 3:15 PM -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
In einer eMail vom 29.10.2006 09:13:54 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Many post Bachists regard an interest in lute music and early music in > general, this way, i.e. asserting the superiority of what is inferior. > What does a post Bachist believe and what does a Bachist believe? Could you please give me an example of "asserting the superiority of what is inferior". best wishes Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
Beauty indeed is, if it is in the eye of the holder because the eye and the beholder are. I'm sorry, I don't see the circularity of my statement. If you want to assert the objective superiority of some music, can you tell me how you determine said superiority? How does one establish that some music is objectively superior? Gary - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lutelist" Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > Gary, > > --- gary digman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Of course we make distinctions. Which is what we do > > when we say we prefer > > one piece of music over another. > > This is the type of circular argument that gets kids > Fs on their gradeschool book reports: "I liked it > because it was good." Preference is only preference. > > > > But, it seems to > > me, to assert that one > > piece of music is objectively superior to another is > > to impugn the taste of > > one who prefers the supposedly inferior music. This > > I think easily lends > > itself to elitism and snobbery. > > > Not at all. The superior music is not always the > thing that is prefered. We're talking about judging > the work itself, not the listener's preference. And > we can recognize the existence of personal preference > without raising it to the level of law. One can enjoy > a lot of different styles for a variety of reasons; > some of it better than others, all of it worthy of > being. > > > > I think beauty is truly in the eye (or ear) of the > > beholder. > > > > Then there is no such thing as beauty. > > Chris > > > > > > > Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com > (http://www.yahoo.com/preview) > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 3:15 PM > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
If some music is objectively superior to some other piece of music, it seems to me, one should be able to articulate in what it's superiority consists. I get the impression complexity by itself is not enough to establish superiority. Of course I think that the music I find worthy of interest is better than some other music, because I'm not interested in that other music. You may agree with me or not. Whether you do or not does not mean I'm not still interested. Many post Bachists regard an interest in lute music and early music in general, this way, i.e. asserting the superiority of what is inferior. Gary - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? However it would be a mistake to confuse or conflate these two notions. The second is not only infinitely worse than the first, but often acts in reverse fashion, alleging the inferiority of the superior (cf. Mark Wheeler). RT I don't quite understand that if I believe one music style is not superior to another, how I can be "alleging the inferiority of the superior". Please tell me which music style I have said is inferior ? My ALK quote simply said that he didn't like the extreme rubato that classical musicians often use and preffered the "tightness" of a rock band. That does not mean that he thinks classical music is bad, just that he prefers another way of performing renaissance music. It seems that you have a problem with rock music and accepting it as an artistic language. Do you view it as inferior ? Maybe inferior to baroque pastische ? Mark > > I think beauty is truly in the eye (or ear) of the beholder. > > Gary > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 7:19 AM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > > > >> >> But to not make distinctions - decisions about which >> of things has more merit - is to go against deeply >> ingrained human desires and experiences. It is >> actually no less than denying one's own self. >> >> Do you have trouble making a decision between a >> well-cooked meal and a poorly cooked one? I'll bet >> you don't! (I've had more of the former.) Can you >> say that whole types of approaches to food preparation >> are much better than others - say, fast-food >> McDonald's vs. a slow-food gourmet restaurant? I >> _hope_ you can. And I'll bet you don't think highly >> of people who don't take the mental effort to >> appreciate the distinction between a Big Mac and a >> Beef Wellington. I know which I prefer. Still, I'll >> admit to eating (and even being able to swallow) >> McDonald's a couple of times a year. >> >> Yes indeed, Bach's music is better than Led >> Zeppelin's, _far_ better, in fact. But not just >> because it is more complex. (Otherwise, we'd have to >> give the award of "best music" to Boulez or Babbitt or >> some obscure logarithmist.) >> >> I would argue that Bach's music is among the best >> works of art that the human race has _ever_ produced, >> regardless of time, place, or society. But that >> doesn't mean that his music is the absolute best at >> everything, nor does it invalidate other types of >> music. I would doubt that a Bach fugue would relate >> to the specific everyday experieces of the inner-city >> street thug, for instance - that's where hip-hop came >> from. But beyond the banal accidents of day to day >> life, deep in the soul of that person, there is >> something in the music of Bach that speaks to the soul >> in ways that a hip-hop ditty never, ever can; now or >> in a million years. >> >> Yes, better. >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> __ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: > 10/27/2006 3:15 PM >> >> > > > > ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 3:15 PM --
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
>> The interesting thing about ALK performance was that he was playing to > >> accompany dancers and > the sort of performances that can be found on the >> > Sting CD with it's romantic rubato would be >> impossible for a dancer to use. > Are you suggesting that IN DARKNESS is a dance tune??? > > We were talking about "can she excuse", dear Roman. But as always you > never stick to the facts. > Mark Its derivation in a galliard doesn't make it any more a "dance tune" than any Bach's tune with a "dance" title. RT == http://polyhymnion.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
>> As we have no recorded performances of renaissance music and the romantic >> tradition is also not >> representative of renaissance performance, rock music performance that >> places more emphasis on > the "beat" is maybe closer to the way a >> renaissance musician may have played. But in the end we > have no proof, >> but dancers do need a steady beat. > So you think this qualifies as proof??? How about Hoppy Smith, which has > never been even remotely steady, in his beat? > > If you would read what I wrote, then you would notice that I said "in the > end we have no proof". > Even if Hoppy's beat is all Hoppy, doesn't make a > lot of differance to my view of renaissance > music. Maybe he is at our concert in "Basler Lauten Abende" series next > year, i can ask him what > he thinks about the renaissance groove. > Mark You cannot invoke the same argument negatively for one musiciam and positively for the other, because that smacks of a double standard. RT == http://polyhymnion.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > However it would be a mistake to confuse or conflate these two notions. > The > second is not only infinitely worse than the first, but often acts in > reverse fashion, alleging the inferiority of the superior (cf. Mark > Wheeler). > RT > > I don't quite understand that if I believe one music style is not superior > to another, how I can be "alleging the inferiority of the superior". > Please tell me which music style I have said is inferior ? That of Karamazov/Sting. > My ALK quote simply said that he didn't like the extreme rubato that > classical musicians often use > and preffered the "tightness" of a rock > band. Which sounds like BS, because L'Europa Galante or Il Giardino Armonico are certainly tighter than any R&R band. And besides, given the original context of the ALK quote, was there any indication that Karamazov and Sting were accompanying dances? >That does not mean that he thinks classical music is bad, just that he >prefers another way of > performing renaissance music. Which in his case is as arbitrary as anyone else's, ecpecially since ALK is not exactly known for depth of musical understanding or even scholarly appropriateness. He is a fabulous entertainer and a competent performer who uses the same manner from troubadours to Teddy Bear's Picnic. > It seems that you have a problem with rock music and accepting it as an > artistic language. > Do you view it as inferior ? Certainly not. KCrimson and Morphine most certainly not. > Maybe inferior to baroque pastische ? That is one thing that cannot be achieved by dress up and nail laquer. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
However it would be a mistake to confuse or conflate these two notions. The second is not only infinitely worse than the first, but often acts in reverse fashion, alleging the inferiority of the superior (cf. Mark Wheeler). RT I don't quite understand that if I believe one music style is not superior to another, how I can be "alleging the inferiority of the superior". Please tell me which music style I have said is inferior ? My ALK quote simply said that he didn't like the extreme rubato that classical musicians often use and preffered the "tightness" of a rock band. That does not mean that he thinks classical music is bad, just that he prefers another way of performing renaissance music. It seems that you have a problem with rock music and accepting it as an artistic language. Do you view it as inferior ? Maybe inferior to baroque pastische ? Mark > > I think beauty is truly in the eye (or ear) of the beholder. > > Gary > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 7:19 AM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > > > >> >> But to not make distinctions - decisions about which >> of things has more merit - is to go against deeply >> ingrained human desires and experiences. It is >> actually no less than denying one's own self. >> >> Do you have trouble making a decision between a >> well-cooked meal and a poorly cooked one? I'll bet >> you don't! (I've had more of the former.) Can you >> say that whole types of approaches to food preparation >> are much better than others - say, fast-food >> McDonald's vs. a slow-food gourmet restaurant? I >> _hope_ you can. And I'll bet you don't think highly >> of people who don't take the mental effort to >> appreciate the distinction between a Big Mac and a >> Beef Wellington. I know which I prefer. Still, I'll >> admit to eating (and even being able to swallow) >> McDonald's a couple of times a year. >> >> Yes indeed, Bach's music is better than Led >> Zeppelin's, _far_ better, in fact. But not just >> because it is more complex. (Otherwise, we'd have to >> give the award of "best music" to Boulez or Babbitt or >> some obscure logarithmist.) >> >> I would argue that Bach's music is among the best >> works of art that the human race has _ever_ produced, >> regardless of time, place, or society. But that >> doesn't mean that his music is the absolute best at >> everything, nor does it invalidate other types of >> music. I would doubt that a Bach fugue would relate >> to the specific everyday experieces of the inner-city >> street thug, for instance - that's where hip-hop came >> from. But beyond the banal accidents of day to day >> life, deep in the soul of that person, there is >> something in the music of Bach that speaks to the soul >> in ways that a hip-hop ditty never, ever can; now or >> in a million years. >> >> Yes, better. >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> __ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: > 10/27/2006 3:15 PM >> >> > > > > ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com --
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
Gary, --- gary digman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Of course we make distinctions. Which is what we do > when we say we prefer > one piece of music over another. This is the type of circular argument that gets kids Fs on their gradeschool book reports: "I liked it because it was good." Preference is only preference. > But, it seems to > me, to assert that one > piece of music is objectively superior to another is > to impugn the taste of > one who prefers the supposedly inferior music. This > I think easily lends > itself to elitism and snobbery. > Not at all. The superior music is not always the thing that is prefered. We're talking about judging the work itself, not the listener's preference. And we can recognize the existence of personal preference without raising it to the level of law. One can enjoy a lot of different styles for a variety of reasons; some of it better than others, all of it worthy of being. > I think beauty is truly in the eye (or ear) of the > beholder. > Then there is no such thing as beauty. Chris Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
I think when you come at this issue by way of Bach you are forgetting that Bach is an icon. I know of no composer who has been more studied, more defined, more argued about, and more used to define musical form in the Universities of Western Culture than Bach. Does this make him the best? Hell's Bells I don't know. Bach was the reason I got interested in polyphonic music which led to the Lute and its literature. Like it or not Bach is the corner stone of Modern Music. We should also be aware that most music history programs, at least when I went to school, ignored everything before Bach except Palestrina and The Catholic Chants. They ignored instrumental music before the advent of the piano, relegating everything else into the category of archaic and irrelevant oddities along with the composers that wrote music for those oddities. So in a sense the phrase that history belongs to the victor seems to play into this as well. - Original Message - From: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lutelist" Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:18 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > Dear Chris; > > It seems to me that every criterion you've given for asserting the > superior > merit of Bach's music to just about everything else is subjective, and, > yet, > you seem to be asserting some sort of objective superiority to Bach's > music. > So far, to my mind, complexity is the only objective criterion that has > been > discussed. If complexity is the criterion for asserting superiority, than > I > would agree Bach is superior to most pop/rock, but Frank Zappa has written > some pretty complex rock. What objective criteria are there for assessing > the objective superiority of one composer's music over another's other > than > complexity? > > Of course we make distinctions. Which is what we do when we say we prefer > one piece of music over another. But, it seems to me, to assert that one > piece of music is objectively superior to another is to impugn the taste > of > one who prefers the supposedly inferior music. This I think easily lends > itself to elitism and snobbery. > > I think beauty is truly in the eye (or ear) of the beholder. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 7:19 AM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > > > >> >> But to not make distinctions - decisions about which >> of things has more merit - is to go against deeply >> ingrained human desires and experiences. It is >> actually no less than denying one's own self. >> >> Do you have trouble making a decision between a >> well-cooked meal and a poorly cooked one? I'll bet >> you don't! (I've had more of the former.) Can you >> say that whole types of approaches to food preparation >> are much better than others - say, fast-food >> McDonald's vs. a slow-food gourmet restaurant? I >> _hope_ you can. And I'll bet you don't think highly >> of people who don't take the mental effort to >> appreciate the distinction between a Big Mac and a >> Beef Wellington. I know which I prefer. Still, I'll >> admit to eating (and even being able to swallow) >> McDonald's a couple of times a year. >> >> Yes indeed, Bach's music is better than Led >> Zeppelin's, _far_ better, in fact. But not just >> because it is more complex. (Otherwise, we'd have to >> give the award of "best music" to Boulez or Babbitt or >> some obscure logarithmist.) >> >> I would argue that Bach's music is among the best >> works of art that the human race has _ever_ produced, >> regardless of time, place, or society. But that >> doesn't mean that his music is the absolute best at >> everything, nor does it invalidate other types of >> music. I would doubt that a Bach fugue would relate >> to the specific everyday experieces of the inner-city >> street thug, for instance - that's where hip-hop came >> from. But beyond the banal accidents of day to day >> life, deep in the soul of that person, there is >> something in the music of Bach that speaks to the soul >> in ways that a hip-hop ditty never, ever can; now or >> in a million years. >> >> Yes, better. >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> __ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: > 10/27/2006 3:15 PM >> >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: > 10/27/2006 > >
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
> It seems to me that every criterion you've given for asserting the > superior > merit of Bach's music to just about everything else is subjective, and, > yet, > you seem to be asserting some sort of objective superiority to Bach's > music. > So far, to my mind, complexity is the only objective criterion that has > been > discussed. If complexity is the criterion for asserting superiority, than > I > would agree Bach is superior to most pop/rock, but Frank Zappa has written > some pretty complex rock. What objective criteria are there for assessing > the objective superiority of one composer's music over another's other > than > complexity? > > Of course we make distinctions. Which is what we do when we say we prefer > one piece of music over another. But, it seems to me, to assert that one > piece of music is objectively superior to another is to impugn the taste > of > one who prefers the supposedly inferior music. This I think easily lends > itself to elitism and snobbery. However it would be a mistake to confuse or conflate these two notions. The second is not only infinitely worse than the first, but often acts in reverse fashion, alleging the inferiority of the superior (cf. Mark Wheeler). RT > > I think beauty is truly in the eye (or ear) of the beholder. > > Gary > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 7:19 AM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > > > >> >> But to not make distinctions - decisions about which >> of things has more merit - is to go against deeply >> ingrained human desires and experiences. It is >> actually no less than denying one's own self. >> >> Do you have trouble making a decision between a >> well-cooked meal and a poorly cooked one? I'll bet >> you don't! (I've had more of the former.) Can you >> say that whole types of approaches to food preparation >> are much better than others - say, fast-food >> McDonald's vs. a slow-food gourmet restaurant? I >> _hope_ you can. And I'll bet you don't think highly >> of people who don't take the mental effort to >> appreciate the distinction between a Big Mac and a >> Beef Wellington. I know which I prefer. Still, I'll >> admit to eating (and even being able to swallow) >> McDonald's a couple of times a year. >> >> Yes indeed, Bach's music is better than Led >> Zeppelin's, _far_ better, in fact. But not just >> because it is more complex. (Otherwise, we'd have to >> give the award of "best music" to Boulez or Babbitt or >> some obscure logarithmist.) >> >> I would argue that Bach's music is among the best >> works of art that the human race has _ever_ produced, >> regardless of time, place, or society. But that >> doesn't mean that his music is the absolute best at >> everything, nor does it invalidate other types of >> music. I would doubt that a Bach fugue would relate >> to the specific everyday experieces of the inner-city >> street thug, for instance - that's where hip-hop came >> from. But beyond the banal accidents of day to day >> life, deep in the soul of that person, there is >> something in the music of Bach that speaks to the soul >> in ways that a hip-hop ditty never, ever can; now or >> in a million years. >> >> Yes, better. >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> __ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: > 10/27/2006 3:15 PM >> >> > > > > ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com
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Dear Chris; It seems to me that every criterion you've given for asserting the superior merit of Bach's music to just about everything else is subjective, and, yet, you seem to be asserting some sort of objective superiority to Bach's music. So far, to my mind, complexity is the only objective criterion that has been discussed. If complexity is the criterion for asserting superiority, than I would agree Bach is superior to most pop/rock, but Frank Zappa has written some pretty complex rock. What objective criteria are there for assessing the objective superiority of one composer's music over another's other than complexity? Of course we make distinctions. Which is what we do when we say we prefer one piece of music over another. But, it seems to me, to assert that one piece of music is objectively superior to another is to impugn the taste of one who prefers the supposedly inferior music. This I think easily lends itself to elitism and snobbery. I think beauty is truly in the eye (or ear) of the beholder. Gary - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 7:19 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > > But to not make distinctions - decisions about which > of things has more merit - is to go against deeply > ingrained human desires and experiences. It is > actually no less than denying one's own self. > > Do you have trouble making a decision between a > well-cooked meal and a poorly cooked one? I'll bet > you don't! (I've had more of the former.) Can you > say that whole types of approaches to food preparation > are much better than others - say, fast-food > McDonald's vs. a slow-food gourmet restaurant? I > _hope_ you can. And I'll bet you don't think highly > of people who don't take the mental effort to > appreciate the distinction between a Big Mac and a > Beef Wellington. I know which I prefer. Still, I'll > admit to eating (and even being able to swallow) > McDonald's a couple of times a year. > > Yes indeed, Bach's music is better than Led > Zeppelin's, _far_ better, in fact. But not just > because it is more complex. (Otherwise, we'd have to > give the award of "best music" to Boulez or Babbitt or > some obscure logarithmist.) > > I would argue that Bach's music is among the best > works of art that the human race has _ever_ produced, > regardless of time, place, or society. But that > doesn't mean that his music is the absolute best at > everything, nor does it invalidate other types of > music. I would doubt that a Bach fugue would relate > to the specific everyday experieces of the inner-city > street thug, for instance - that's where hip-hop came > from. But beyond the banal accidents of day to day > life, deep in the soul of that person, there is > something in the music of Bach that speaks to the soul > in ways that a hip-hop ditty never, ever can; now or > in a million years. > > Yes, better. > > Chris > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 3:15 PM > >
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> As we have no recorded performances of renaissance music and the romantic > tradition is also not > representative of renaissance performance, rock music performance that > places more emphasis on > the "beat" is maybe closer to the way a > renaissance musician may have played. But in the end we > have no proof, > but dancers do need a steady beat. So you think this qualifies as proof??? How about Hoppy Smith, which has never been even remotely steady, in his beat? If you would read what I wrote, then you would notice that I said "in the end we have no proof". Even if Hoppy's beat is all Hoppy, doesn't make a lot of differance to my view of renaissance music. Maybe he is at our concert in "Basler Lauten Abende" series next year, i can ask him what he thinks about the renaissance groove. Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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> > The interesting thing about ALK performance was that he was playing to > > accompany dancers and > the sort of performances that can be found on the > > Sting CD with it's romantic rubato would be > impossible for a dancer to use. Are you suggesting that IN DARKNESS is a dance tune??? We were talking about "can she excuse", dear Roman. But as always you never stick to the facts. Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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>I think we need to make a distinction between music styles, it is quite >pointless comparing Bach and Led Zeppelin. > I personally like both and don't know with which method I should make a > judgement. In the end > any judgements about music are always coloured by > the listeners social background and that of > the composer. The idea of a universal genius for all time is an illusion > that in our post-modern > times has little relevance. For a fox in a vineyard: for sure. > > The interesting thing about ALK performance was that he was playing to > accompany dancers and > the sort of performances that can be found on the > Sting CD with it's romantic rubato would be > impossible for a dancer to use. Are you suggesting that IN DARKNESS is a dance tune??? > As we have no recorded performances of renaissance music and the romantic > tradition is also not > representative of renaissance performance, rock music performance that > places more emphasis on > the "beat" is maybe closer to the way a > renaissance musician may have played. But in the end we > have no proof, > but dancers do need a steady beat. So you think this qualifies as proof??? How about Hoppy Smith, which has never been even remotely steady, in his beat? > > You speak of "subtle layers of the interrelations of pitches and > dynamics", I can do this when listening to many rock CD's including the > new My chemical romance CD or Led Zeppelin IV. > > I have just read an interview from Sting for an american early music > magazine where he praises > Dowland for dealing with the subject DEATH, something that modern pop and > rock music does > not. Well he does not have to worry, the new MCR album is a concept album > about mortality and > should sail into the top of the billboard charts. That may very well happen, but any mortality resulting from a chemical romance is insufficiently tragic to become a good basis for art. > > I do not claim that rock music is the only important music in the last 35 > years, but I think that Roman and even sting should be careful about > making blanket statements about a genre that they don't seem to > understand. Make no mistake, we can discern perfectly music from costumed noise (or noyse). Hence I am very fond of Morphine. RT > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Verschickt: Fr., 27.Okt.2006, 16:29 > Thema: Re: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> The ability to play fast or cleaner at at least >> possible somewhat to judge. > Yes, so is faster or cleaner, better? According to > you, no. > >> I was not talking about musicians playing abilities. >> For instance ALK, told me that he rarely listen to >> classical CD's because the >> ensemble playing was often so bad, that his ideal of >> ensemble playing can be >> heard on hard rock CD's. If you have heard him play >> Can She Excuse compared >> with the Sting version, I can see what he means. > > So, in support of your arguement that we shouldn't > make distinctions between styles of music, you give a > example of a musician who believes that the playing in > one style of music is better than another? Then you > finish by implying that his version of a song is > better than Sting's. > >> >> What is the point in judging one musical style >> against another? >> In the end no one will listen if they enjoy >> something else, > > There are many reasons for liking a piece of music and > many levels of enjoying music. Most people only > listen for what they like. But like Ives said "What > has sound to do with music?" I love Bach for a > variety of reasons. On the other hand, while I don't > especially _like_ the surface sound of Webern's music, > I listen to it in another way, appreciating the subtle > layers of the interrelations of pitches and dynamics. > I also like Bill Monroe, but I sure don't apply the > same expectations. > > Chris > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
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On Oct 28, 2006, at 12:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > but dancers do need a steady beat. All of them? I'm thinking of ballet and modern but why not EM dance? (just to play the devil's advocate) :-) Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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I think we need to make a distinction between music styles, it is quite pointless comparing Bach and Led Zeppelin. I personally like both and don't know with which method I should make a judgement. In the end any judgements about music are always coloured by the listeners social background and that of the composer. The idea of a universal genius for all time is an illusion that in our post-modern times has little relevance. The interesting thing about ALK performance was that he was playing to accompany dancers and the sort of performances that can be found on the Sting CD with it's romantic rubato would be impossible for a dancer to use. As we have no recorded performances of renaissance music and the romantic tradition is also not representative of renaissance performance, rock music performance that places more emphasis on the "beat" is maybe closer to the way a renaissance musician may have played. But in the end we have no proof, but dancers do need a steady beat. You speak of "subtle layers of the interrelations of pitches and dynamics", I can do this when listening to many rock CD's including the new My chemical romance CD or Led Zeppelin IV. I have just read an interview from Sting for an american early music magazine where he praises Dowland for dealing with the subject DEATH, something that modern pop and rock music does not. Well he does not have to worry, the new MCR album is a concept album about mortality and should sail into the top of the billboard charts. I do not claim that rock music is the only important music in the last 35 years, but I think that Roman and even sting should be careful about making blanket statements about a genre that they don't seem to understand. best wishes Mark -Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Verschickt: Fr., 27.Okt.2006, 16:29 Thema: Re: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The ability to play fast or cleaner at at least > possible somewhat to judge. Yes, so is faster or cleaner, better? According to you, no. > I was not talking about musicians playing abilities. > For instance ALK, told me that he rarely listen to > classical CD's because the > ensemble playing was often so bad, that his ideal of > ensemble playing can be > heard on hard rock CD's. If you have heard him play > Can She Excuse compared > with the Sting version, I can see what he means. So, in support of your arguement that we shouldn't make distinctions between styles of music, you give a example of a musician who believes that the playing in one style of music is better than another? Then you finish by implying that his version of a song is better than Sting's. > > What is the point in judging one musical style > against another? > In the end no one will listen if they enjoy > something else, There are many reasons for liking a piece of music and many levels of enjoying music. Most people only listen for what they like. But like Ives said "What has sound to do with music?" I love Bach for a variety of reasons. On the other hand, while I don't especially _like_ the surface sound of Webern's music, I listen to it in another way, appreciating the subtle layers of the interrelations of pitches and dynamics. I also like Bill Monroe, but I sure don't apply the same expectations. Chris __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The ability to play fast or cleaner at at least > possible somewhat to judge. Yes, so is faster or cleaner, better? According to you, no. > I was not talking about musicians playing abilities. > For instance ALK, told me that he rarely listen to > classical CD's because the > ensemble playing was often so bad, that his ideal of > ensemble playing can be > heard on hard rock CD's. If you have heard him play > Can She Excuse compared > with the Sting version, I can see what he means. So, in support of your arguement that we shouldn't make distinctions between styles of music, you give a example of a musician who believes that the playing in one style of music is better than another? Then you finish by implying that his version of a song is better than Sting's. > > What is the point in judging one musical style > against another? > In the end no one will listen if they enjoy > something else, There are many reasons for liking a piece of music and many levels of enjoying music. Most people only listen for what they like. But like Ives said "What has sound to do with music?" I love Bach for a variety of reasons. On the other hand, while I don't especially _like_ the surface sound of Webern's music, I listen to it in another way, appreciating the subtle layers of the interrelations of pitches and dynamics. I also like Bill Monroe, but I sure don't apply the same expectations. Chris __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was simply saying that Bach is not better music > than Led Zeppelin, because > it is more complex. In the end I would not say that > any music style is better > than another. > Mark, But to not make distinctions - decisions about which of things has more merit - is to go against deeply ingrained human desires and experiences. It is actually no less than denying one's own self. Do you have trouble making a decision between a well-cooked meal and a poorly cooked one? I'll bet you don't! (I've had more of the former.) Can you say that whole types of approaches to food preparation are much better than others - say, fast-food McDonald's vs. a slow-food gourmet restaurant? I _hope_ you can. And I'll bet you don't think highly of people who don't take the mental effort to appreciate the distinction between a Big Mac and a Beef Wellington. I know which I prefer. Still, I'll admit to eating (and even being able to swallow) McDonald's a couple of times a year. Yes indeed, Bach's music is better than Led Zeppelin's, _far_ better, in fact. But not just because it is more complex. (Otherwise, we'd have to give the award of "best music" to Boulez or Babbitt or some obscure logarithmist.) I would argue that Bach's music is among the best works of art that the human race has _ever_ produced, regardless of time, place, or society. But that doesn't mean that his music is the absolute best at everything, nor does it invalidate other types of music. I would doubt that a Bach fugue would relate to the specific everyday experieces of the inner-city street thug, for instance - that's where hip-hop came from. But beyond the banal accidents of day to day life, deep in the soul of that person, there is something in the music of Bach that speaks to the soul in ways that a hip-hop ditty never, ever can; now or in a million years. Yes, better. Chris __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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> > Sorry, way of judging music by it's ethnic > > background and complexity is > > absurd. Chris said, > Let's follow your reasoning... > > Great! Then I'm just as good a player as Paul > O'Dette! There may be some who would prefer your playing to Paul's, So for them you're better. >Who cares if he plays cleaner, has a finer > touch, etc? Louis Armstrong was criticised by some for continuing to play after his technical abilities began to decline. Wynton Marsalis' response was, "Nuance is the epitome of technique." >I'm after different goals (largely I am) > so we can't possibly say that either of us is > "better," can we? And that's the way it should be. The music's the thing not the player. > As a matter of fact, then, all > non-musicians are inherently better players than any > of us since they are not clouded by the complexities > that we must confront in learning an instrument. Wynton Marsalis also said, "The message of rap seems to be, 'I used to be a thug, but now I'm a musician.'" >As > John Cage might argue, they can make their music > directly by vocal utterances, feet stamping, and > driving cars. That's just as good as Bach, afterall. Cage also said that a garbage truck rolling down the street is music if you have the ears to hear it, but that doesn't mean I want to learn how to drive a garbage truck so I can make some music. > > Seriously, the absurdity lies in saying that since we > often times can't seperate the music from its > historical/cultural/social contexts there's no use in > making any distinction. This like saying that my > house is just as good as the Duomo in Florence. Good for what? > > This is not an open invitation to rate each and every > piece of music, however! > > Note that this has nothing at all to do with likes and > dislikes. (I personally would not like to live in the > Duomo.) I beg to differ. Generally what we think is "better" is what we like and vice versa. >I will concede, for example, that John > Coltrane probably produced "better" music than Led > Zeppelin, but I personally prefer Zep most of the > time. You prefer inferior music? Understand, I'm not saying Led Zeppelin's music is inferior to John Coltrane's. You are. I'm sure John Coltrane's version of Led Zeppelin would still be John Coltrane and Led Zeppelin's version of John Coltrane would still be Led Zeppelin. >But then I prefer Dowland to Zeppelin. Had me worried there for a minute. All the Best, Gary > > Chris > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/478 - Release Date: 10/17/2006 10:45 AM > >
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Dear Mark; Surely, you're aware that more has been happening in music during the last thirty years than what's been happening in rock and popular music. All te Best, Gary - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:21 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > In einer eMail vom 26.10.2006 15:57:50 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > I have. Might have even heard something, but after hearing Siegfried's > > Funeral. Which makes former a bit ludicrous, doesn't it? > > RT > > > > I am not sure how one piece of music makes another ludicrous, > that may be true of a performance of the same music, but we have been down > that road, far too often. > > I would still be interested to know from which "punk" band your "lead > guitarist" is. You don't seemed to be well versed in the music history of the last 30 > years, just a tip the Eagles were not a punk band. > > best wishes > Mark > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/478 - Release Date: 10/17/2006 10:45 AM > >
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Methinks these guys would be equally at home with lutes: http://www.theuppercrust.org/images/crust_pavilion_b&w(jay_elliott).jpg (Holding the Flying V is the Duc D'Istortion) -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > In einer eMail vom 26.10.2006 15:57:50 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit > schreibt > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > >> I have. Might have even heard something, but after hearing Siegfried's >> Funeral. Which makes former a bit ludicrous, doesn't it? >> RT >> > > I am not sure how one piece of music makes another ludicrous, Happens often enough. > > I would still be interested to know from which "punk" band your "lead > guitarist" is. You don't seemed to be well versed in the music history of > the last 30 > years, just a tip the Eagles were not a punk band. Í am certainly not familiar with musical meaning of menacing nail laquer and "Cleopatra" style eye liner. Keep guessing. RT > > best wishes > Mark > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
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In einer eMail vom 26.10.2006 19:20:52 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Great! Then I'm just as good a player as Paul > O'Dette! Who cares if he plays cleaner, has a finer > touch, etc? I'm after different goals (largely I am) > so we can't possibly say that either of us is > "better," can we? As a matter of fact, then, all > non-musicians are inherently better players than any > of us since they are not clouded by the complexities > that we must confront in learning an instrument. As > John Cage might argue, they can make their music > directly by vocal utterances, feet stamping, and > driving cars. That's just as good as Bach, afterall. I was simply saying that Bach is not better music than Led Zeppelin, because it is more complex. In the end I would not say that any music style is better than another. I may not agree with the message, but if it brings that message over it works. The ability to play fast or cleaner at at least possible somewhat to judge. I was not talking about musicians playing abilities. For instance ALK, told me that he rarely listen to classical CD's because the ensemble playing was often so bad, that his ideal of ensemble playing can be heard on hard rock CD's. If you have heard him play Can She Excuse compared with the Sting version, I can see what he means. > > Seriously, the absurdity lies in saying that since we > often times can't seperate the music from its > historical/cultural/social contexts there's no use in > making any distinction. What is the point in judging one musical style against another? In the end no one will listen if they enjoy something else, not even if Roman or Sting says it is complex. That sort of reasoning died out long ago. > > > Note that this has nothing at all to do with likes and > dislikes. (I personally would not like to live in the > Duomo.) I will concede, for example, that John > Coltrane probably produced "better" music than Led > Zeppelin, but I personally prefer Zep most of the > time. But then I prefer Dowland to Zeppelin... > Ijust play what I want to and there is no such thing as "better" music IMHO. Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sorry, way of judging music by it's ethnic > background and complexity is > absurd. Let's follow your reasoning... Great! Then I'm just as good a player as Paul O'Dette! Who cares if he plays cleaner, has a finer touch, etc? I'm after different goals (largely I am) so we can't possibly say that either of us is "better," can we? As a matter of fact, then, all non-musicians are inherently better players than any of us since they are not clouded by the complexities that we must confront in learning an instrument. As John Cage might argue, they can make their music directly by vocal utterances, feet stamping, and driving cars. That's just as good as Bach, afterall. Seriously, the absurdity lies in saying that since we often times can't seperate the music from its historical/cultural/social contexts there's no use in making any distinction. This like saying that my house is just as good as the Duomo in Florence. This is not an open invitation to rate each and every piece of music, however! Note that this has nothing at all to do with likes and dislikes. (I personally would not like to live in the Duomo.) I will concede, for example, that John Coltrane probably produced "better" music than Led Zeppelin, but I personally prefer Zep most of the time. But then I prefer Dowland to Zeppelin... Chris __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Better URL > http://torban.org/Lubov.avi RT - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > The video is fully loaded. > http://torban.org/Liubov.avi > RT > > > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:25 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > > >> In einer eMail vom 26.10.2006 18:14:46 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit >> schreibt >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> >>> Not all musics were created equal. >> >> Sorry, way of judging music by it's ethnic background and complexity is >> absurd. If we follow your reasoning, then why do we play Dowland at all, >> he didn't >> come from eastern europe and his music is not as complex as Bach. So it >> is >> unequal to the later more "complicated music". >> >> I think you should do a bit more research on something before you start >> being >> an expert for it. But I suppose it is the bad infleunce of your "mates". >> >> Mark >> >> >> -- >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> > ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com
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The video is fully loaded. http://torban.org/Liubov.avi RT - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > In einer eMail vom 26.10.2006 18:14:46 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit > schreibt > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > >> Not all musics were created equal. > > Sorry, way of judging music by it's ethnic background and complexity is > absurd. If we follow your reasoning, then why do we play Dowland at all, > he didn't > come from eastern europe and his music is not as complex as Bach. So it is > unequal to the later more "complicated music". > > I think you should do a bit more research on something before you start > being > an expert for it. But I suppose it is the bad infleunce of your "mates". > > Mark > > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
In einer eMail vom 26.10.2006 18:14:46 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Not all musics were created equal. Sorry, way of judging music by it's ethnic background and complexity is absurd. If we follow your reasoning, then why do we play Dowland at all, he didn't come from eastern europe and his music is not as complex as Bach. So it is unequal to the later more "complicated music". I think you should do a bit more research on something before you start being an expert for it. But I suppose it is the bad infleunce of your "mates". Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
>> I am finding increasing difficulty detecting the relevancy of this >> discussion to this list. I like some recent music that doesn't involve >> lutes, and >> some of it is not the same as what others like...and I don't really care >> that >> other tastes differ. Enjoy. >> >> How'bout some discussion to do with lute-related topics? >> >> Eugene > > Hi, > > you are right, the discussion was about Richie Blackmore and renaissance > music, which was remotely lute related and then Roman started his Wagner > Vs. Deep > Purple thing. > > I don't see the point in comparing one genre of music with another, > especially here. Not all musics were created equal. > > Now he seems to see me as the world representative for Gothic, is cooking > up > some sort of video spoof. I did play in a Goth-rock band 15 years ago, but > I > began playing the lute long before that. Gothic is not better than any > other > music genre Exactly. Much worse in fact. > and many people as in the classical world are only interested in the > "image", but there are a lot of nice and honest people as in every scene. Indeed... > > But for your info Roman, at the moment I am more interested in Nu-Rock and > Emo, both are also prone to wearing black nail varnish and eyeliner,but I > think > at the moment these scenes are more interesting musically. So maybe you > can > produce a video series. The video is 80% loaded.. RT > But I expect a bit better research than Edin & Sting have given us. > > best wishes > Mark > > > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
In einer eMail vom 26.10.2006 17:43:40 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I am finding increasing difficulty detecting the relevancy of this > discussion to this list. I like some recent music that doesn't involve > lutes, and > some of it is not the same as what others like...and I don't really care that > other tastes differ. Enjoy. > > How'bout some discussion to do with lute-related topics? > > Eugene Hi, you are right, the discussion was about Richie Blackmore and renaissance music, which was remotely lute related and then Roman started his Wagner Vs. Deep Purple thing. I don't see the point in comparing one genre of music with another, especially here. Now he seems to see me as the world representative for Gothic, is cooking up some sort of video spoof. I did play in a Goth-rock band 15 years ago, but I began playing the lute long before that. Gothic is not better than any other music genre and many people as in the classical world are only interested in the "image", but there are a lot of nice and honest people as in every scene. But for your info Roman, at the moment I am more interested in Nu-Rock and Emo, both are also prone to wearing black nail varnish and eyeliner,but I think at the moment these scenes are more interesting musically. So maybe you can produce a video series. But I expect a bit better research than Edin & Sting have given us. best wishes Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:25 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > In einer eMail vom 26.10.2006 17:20:18 Westeurop=E4ische > Normalzeit schreibt > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > I never knew Rockettes also played instruments. > > RT > > > > It seems you are in a sort of 19th century "reality tunnel". > > Mark I am finding increasing difficulty detecting the relevancy of this discussion to this list. I like some recent music that doesn't involve lutes, and some of it is not the same as what others like...and I don't really care that other tastes differ. Enjoy. How'bout some discussion to do with lute-related topics? Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
This is for your edification, How to be Gothic, nail laquer included, while retaining musicality: 47mb video, available from 1 hour from now, for 3 days: http://torban.org/Liubov.avi RT - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > In einer eMail vom 26.10.2006 16:31:41 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit > schreibt > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > >> =CD am certainly not familiar with musical meaning of menacing nail >> laquer >> and >> "Cleopatra" style eye liner. >> Keep guessing. >> RT >> > > Are you talking about the "look" from Siouxie and Banshee's Singer one of > the > most important early punk bands? I am sure your witty "punk" friend could > tell you who she was. > > I take it you never go to the Opera, don't try it they wear make-up and > costumes :) > > If you want to have a real shock and see what is going on the in the world > outside your little shuttered world then have a look at this. > > http://www.myspace.com/thelist > > There you can see excerpts from a concert of one of the best rock bands > around today. You won't like it, but it may be a good reality check for > you. > > best wishes > Mark > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
In einer eMail vom 26.10.2006 17:20:18 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I never knew Rockettes also played instruments. > RT > It seems you are in a sort of 19th century "reality tunnel". Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
> I take it you never go to the Opera, don't try it they wear make-up and > costumes :) > > If you want to have a real shock and see what is going on the in the world > outside your little shuttered world then have a look at this. > > http://www.myspace.com/thelist > > There you can see excerpts from a concert of one of the best rock bands > around today. You won't like it, but it may be a good reality check for > you. I never knew Rockettes also played instruments. RT ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
In einer eMail vom 26.10.2006 16:31:41 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > =CD am certainly not familiar with musical meaning of menacing nail laquer > and > "Cleopatra" style eye liner. > Keep guessing. > RT > Are you talking about the "look" from Siouxie and Banshee's Singer one of the most important early punk bands? I am sure your witty "punk" friend could tell you who she was. I take it you never go to the Opera, don't try it they wear make-up and costumes :) If you want to have a real shock and see what is going on the in the world outside your little shuttered world then have a look at this. http://www.myspace.com/thelist There you can see excerpts from a concert of one of the best rock bands around today. You won't like it, but it may be a good reality check for you. best wishes Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
> In einer eMail vom 26.10.2006 15:57:50 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit > schreibt > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > >> I have. Might have even heard something, but after hearing Siegfried's >> Funeral. Which makes former a bit ludicrous, doesn't it? >> RT >> > > I am not sure how one piece of music makes another ludicrous, Happens often enough. > > I would still be interested to know from which "punk" band your "lead > guitarist" is. You don't seemed to be well versed in the music history of > the last 30 > years, just a tip the Eagles were not a punk band. Í am certainly not familiar with musical meaning of menacing nail laquer and "Cleopatra" style eye liner. Keep guessing. RT > > best wishes > Mark > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
In einer eMail vom 26.10.2006 15:57:50 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I have. Might have even heard something, but after hearing Siegfried's > Funeral. Which makes former a bit ludicrous, doesn't it? > RT > I am not sure how one piece of music makes another ludicrous, that may be true of a performance of the same music, but we have been down that road, far too often. I would still be interested to know from which "punk" band your "lead guitarist" is. You don't seemed to be well versed in the music history of the last 30 years, just a tip the Eagles were not a punk band. best wishes Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
>> Neither have I, until last Monday. >> RT > > I find that very hard to believe. > Never heard of Deep Purple? I have. Might have even heard something, but after hearing Siegfried's Funeral. Which makes former a bit ludicrous, doesn't it? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
In einer eMail vom 26.10.2006 13:40:18 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Neither have I, until last Monday. > RT I find that very hard to believe. Never heard of Deep Purple? Then you have been missing out on a lot of great music. No wonder you find Edin's playing so innovative, it seems you have missed out on what has been happening in the last 35 years. I would be interested to know who the "leadguitarist with a VERY IMPORTANT R& R band" is, maybe the Osmonds ? best wishes Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
Ut is comforting to not be the lone ranger. ed At 07:38 AM 10/26/2006 -0400, Roman Turovsky wrote: >Neither have I, until last Monday. >RT >- Original Message - From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LuteNet list" > >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:13 PM >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > > >>Sadly, I am out of it now, as I have never heard of R Blackmore. >> >>ed >> >>At 11:37 PM 10/25/2006 +0900, Ed Durbrow wrote: >>>If RB and Sting team up think of the fodder possibilities for the >>>lutenet! >>> >>> >>>On Oct 25, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: >>> >>> > A colleague on a this week's film job, a propmaster, who formerly >>> > was the >>> > leadguitarist with a VERY IMPORTANT R&R band (unnamed for now), >>> > told me >>> > today that RBlackmore plays nothing but lutes these days. >>> > RT >>> >>>Ed Durbrow >>>Saitama, Japan >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>To get on or off this list see list information at >>>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> >>Edward Martin >>2817 East 2nd Street >>Duluth, Minnesota 55812 >>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>voice: (218) 728-1202 >> >> >> > > Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
Neither have I, until last Monday. RT - Original Message - From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LuteNet list" Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > Sadly, I am out of it now, as I have never heard of R Blackmore. > > ed > > At 11:37 PM 10/25/2006 +0900, Ed Durbrow wrote: >>If RB and Sting team up think of the fodder possibilities for the >>lutenet! >> >> >>On Oct 25, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: >> >> > A colleague on a this week's film job, a propmaster, who formerly >> > was the >> > leadguitarist with a VERY IMPORTANT R&R band (unnamed for now), >> > told me >> > today that RBlackmore plays nothing but lutes these days. >> > RT >> >>Ed Durbrow >>Saitama, Japan >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >> >> >> >>-- >> >>To get on or off this list see list information at >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > Edward Martin > 2817 East 2nd Street > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > > >
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
Sadly, I am out of it now, as I have never heard of R Blackmore. ed At 11:37 PM 10/25/2006 +0900, Ed Durbrow wrote: >If RB and Sting team up think of the fodder possibilities for the >lutenet! > > >On Oct 25, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: > > > A colleague on a this week's film job, a propmaster, who formerly > > was the > > leadguitarist with a VERY IMPORTANT R&R band (unnamed for now), > > told me > > today that RBlackmore plays nothing but lutes these days. > > RT > >Ed Durbrow >Saitama, Japan >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > >-- > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
In einer eMail vom 25.10.2006 16:59:39 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > The lute Police would be turning Deep Purple with rage!!! > > DR > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.rastallmusic.com I think it could improve the whole sting Dowland thing quite a lot. Blackmore never plays with another guitarist, so Edin would have to go and as Richie has a much better sense of timing than Edin, some of the SFTL problems would be gone. Anybody who knows anything about Mr. Blackmore knows he is not exactly the easiest person to get along with, especially if you are in his band! A friend of mine who is a massive Deep Purple fan saw a concert where Richie in the middle of the first song threw a bottle of water at Ian Gillan. I would expect a Sting/Blackmore project would not last more than a few hours. For all his bad moods Blackmore is a great musician, "Stargazer" from "Rainbow Rising" is one of the best pieces of Hard Rock ever recorded. best wishes Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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If 'these days' includes a couple years ago, this is not the case. We had an opportunity to perform with him and he played numerous highly amplified guitars, and a hurdy-gurdy. Candice sang & played Rauschpfeife. We played medieval / renaissance bagpipes. It was a learning experience. I never saw him with a lute-like object.=0A=0ABob=0A=0A- Original Message =0AFrom: Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>=0ATo: LuteNet list =0ASent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:37:35 AM=0ASubject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?=0A=0AIf RB and Sting team up think of the fodder possibilities for the =0Alutenet!=0A=0A=0AOn Oct 25, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:=0A=0A> A colleague on a this week's film job, a propmaster, who formerly =0A> was the=0A> leadguitarist with a VERY IMPORTANT R&R band (unnamed for now), =0A> told me=0A> today that RBlackmore plays nothing but lutes these days.=0A> RT=0A=0AEd Durbrow=0ASaitama, Japan=0Aedurbrow! @sea.plala.or.jp=0Ahttp://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/=0A=0A=0A=0A--=0A=0ATo get on or off this list see list information at=0Ahttp://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --
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On Oct 25, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > If RB and Sting team up think of the fodder possibilities for the > lutenet! The lute Police would be turning Deep Purple with rage!!! DR [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rastallmusic.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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If RB and Sting team up think of the fodder possibilities for the lutenet! On Oct 25, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: > A colleague on a this week's film job, a propmaster, who formerly > was the > leadguitarist with a VERY IMPORTANT R&R band (unnamed for now), > told me > today that RBlackmore plays nothing but lutes these days. > RT Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
In einer eMail vom 25.10.2006 01:57:32 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > A colleague on a this week's film job, a propmaster, who formerly was the > leadguitarist with a VERY IMPORTANT R&R band (unnamed for now), told me > today that RBlackmore plays nothing but lutes these days. > RT Sorry, but your friend doesn't probably know what a lute is. Richie plays modern steel string acoustic and modern citterns. Blackmore's Night are much more sucessful here in Europe than America and get quite high in the charts here. For those of you that haven't heard it is sounds a bit like 70's folk rock and the vocals the image of the singer - Candice Night are heavily infleunced by Stevie Nicks. Don't want to knock it at all, it is well played and makes no pretentions of being HIP in any sense of the word. best wishes Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
>> >> A colleague on a this week's film job, a propmaster, who >> formerly >> >> was the >> >> leadguitarist with a VERY IMPORTANT R&R band (unnamed for now), >> >> told me >> >> today that RBlackmore plays nothing but lutes these days. >> >> RT >> > >> > >> > I don't think that's quite right. Isn't Blackmore's Night still >> active?> >> > Eugene >> John, as a Brit, is not given to overstatement... >> So I'd be inclined to believe him. >> He also mentioned long multi-string contraptions. >> RT > > > Blackmore also gave a substantial interview recently talking about his > rather unorthodox mandolin tuning for Blackmore's Night repertoire. I > haven't spent much time digging around this site, but it probably has a > fair amount on Blackmore's recent activity. > http://www.blackmoresnight.com/ > > Eugene Certainly looks active, but I'm sure something will surface, if there is some real game afoot. RT == http://polyhymnion.org/swv Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
- Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:17 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > >> A colleague on a this week's film job, a propmaster, who > formerly > >> was the > >> leadguitarist with a VERY IMPORTANT R&R band (unnamed for now), > >> told me > >> today that RBlackmore plays nothing but lutes these days. > >> RT > > > > > > I don't think that's quite right. Isn't Blackmore's Night still > active?> > > Eugene > John, as a Brit, is not given to overstatement... > So I'd be inclined to believe him. > He also mentioned long multi-string contraptions. > RT Blackmore also gave a substantial interview recently talking about his rather unorthodox mandolin tuning for Blackmore's Night repertoire. I haven't spent much time digging around this site, but it probably has a fair amount on Blackmore's recent activity. http://www.blackmoresnight.com/ Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ?
- Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:54 pm Subject: [LUTE] Blackmore, was : A "normal" voyce ? > A colleague on a this week's film job, a propmaster, who formerly > was the > leadguitarist with a VERY IMPORTANT R&R band (unnamed for now), > told me > today that RBlackmore plays nothing but lutes these days. > RT I don't think that's quite right. Isn't Blackmore's Night still active? Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
