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[LUTE] Re: Capirola translation

2020-09-27 Thread Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.

So maybe like this?

--Sarge

On 9/26/2020 14:53, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote:
> I was responding to this: "Vidal obviously forgot to write the
> beginning of the pavan, and adds the bars at the end of the piece."
>
> Like I said, it makes more sense to me, musically, to play that
> section only before the preceding bars are repeated, but I admit that
> the wording of the Vidal's instructions seem to support the assumption
> quoted above.
>
> Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 27.9.2020 klo 0.07:
>> Did you mean like this?
>> --Sarge
>>
>> On 9/25/2020 09:13, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote:
>>> Â Â Â  Thank you! Interestingly that "beginning" does make more sense
>>> to me
>>> Â Â Â  when played only when the piece is repeated. It makes me wonder if
>>> Â Â Â  Vidal really meant that this last strain is played as a
>>> beginning of
>>> Â Â Â  the piece on both times or only on the second time.
>>>
>>> Â Â Â  G. C. kirjoitti 25.9.2020 klo 12.52:
>>>
>>> Â Â Â  4. End of nr. 29 Padoana ala francesa: torna da capo ex q?;
>>> Questo so
>>> Â Â Â  il principio d dita padoana [16 bars] va seguitando
>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â  poi la dita padoan in principio
>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â  "Go to the beginning from here. This is the beginning of the
>>> said
>>> Â Â Â  pavan [16 bars] then follows the said pavan from the
>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â  beginning"
>>> Â Â Â  [As to 4. Vidal obviously forgot to write the beginning of the
>>> pavan,
>>> Â Â Â  and adds the bars at the end of the piece. A closer look at the
>>> end of
>>> Â Â Â  the piece in the facsimile shows this clearly, with a crossing
>>> out of
>>> Â Â Â  the three first chords of the piece, and then the instructions
>>> quoted
>>> Â Â Â  above]
>>>
>>> Â Â Â  Virus-free. [1]www.avast.com
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>>> Â Â Â  On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:50 PM Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
>>> Â Â Â  <[2]jlaju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Â Â Â Â Â  Can anyone give me a translation of the texts on folio 48r of the
>>> Â Â Â Â Â  Capirola MS (the third page of Padoana alla Francese No. 2) or
>>> Â Â Â Â Â  explain
>>> Â Â Â Â Â  what they mean?
>>> Â Â Â Â Â  -- Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
>>> Â Â Â Â Â  To get on or off this list see list information at
>>> [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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>>> Â Â Â  2. mailto:jlaju...@gmail.com
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>>
>
>

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[LUTE] Re: Capirola translation

2020-09-26 Thread Jussi-Pekka Lajunen

I was responding to this: "Vidal obviously forgot to write the beginning 
of the pavan, and adds the bars at the end of the piece."


Like I said, it makes more sense to me, musically, to play that section 
only before the preceding bars are repeated, but I admit that the 
wording of the Vidal's instructions seem to support the assumption 
quoted above.


Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 27.9.2020 klo 0.07:

Did you mean like this?
--Sarge

On 9/25/2020 09:13, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote:

    Thank you! Interestingly that "beginning" does make more sense to me
    when played only when the piece is repeated. It makes me wonder if
    Vidal really meant that this last strain is played as a beginning of
    the piece on both times or only on the second time.

    G. C. kirjoitti 25.9.2020 klo 12.52:

    4. End of nr. 29 Padoana ala francesa: torna da capo ex q?; 
Questo so

    il principio d dita padoana [16 bars] va seguitando
   poi la dita padoan in principio
   "Go to the beginning from here. This is the beginning of the said
    pavan [16 bars] then follows the said pavan from the
   beginning"
    [As to 4. Vidal obviously forgot to write the beginning of the 
pavan,
    and adds the bars at the end of the piece. A closer look at the 
end of
    the piece in the facsimile shows this clearly, with a crossing 
out of
    the three first chords of the piece, and then the instructions 
quoted

    above]

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    On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:50 PM Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
    <[2]jlaju...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Can anyone give me a translation of the texts on folio 48r of the
  Capirola MS (the third page of Padoana alla Francese No. 2) or
  explain
  what they mean?
  -- Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
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[LUTE] Re: Capirola translation

2020-09-26 Thread Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.

Did you mean like this?
--Sarge

On 9/25/2020 09:13, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote:
> Thank you! Interestingly that "beginning" does make more sense to me
> when played only when the piece is repeated. It makes me wonder if
> Vidal really meant that this last strain is played as a beginning of
> the piece on both times or only on the second time.
>
> G. C. kirjoitti 25.9.2020 klo 12.52:
>
> 4. End of nr. 29 Padoana ala francesa: torna da capo ex q?; Questo so
> il principio d dita padoana [16 bars] va seguitando
>poi la dita padoan in principio
>"Go to the beginning from here. This is the beginning of the said
> pavan [16 bars] then follows the said pavan from the
>beginning"
> [As to 4. Vidal obviously forgot to write the beginning of the pavan,
> and adds the bars at the end of the piece. A closer look at the end of
> the piece in the facsimile shows this clearly, with a crossing out of
> the three first chords of the piece, and then the instructions quoted
> above]
>
> Virus-free. [1]www.avast.com
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:50 PM Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
> <[2]jlaju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   Can anyone give me a translation of the texts on folio 48r of the
>   Capirola MS (the third page of Padoana alla Francese No. 2) or
>   explain
>   what they mean?
>   -- Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
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>   [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
> --
>
> References
>
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[LUTE] Re: Capirola translation

2020-09-25 Thread Jussi-Pekka Lajunen

   Thank you! Interestingly that "beginning" does make more sense to me
   when played only when the piece is repeated. It makes me wonder if
   Vidal really meant that this last strain is played as a beginning of
   the piece on both times or only on the second time.

   G. C. kirjoitti 25.9.2020 klo 12.52:

   4. End of nr. 29 Padoana ala francesa: torna da capo ex q?; Questo so
   il principio d dita padoana [16 bars] va seguitando
  poi la dita padoan in principio
  "Go to the beginning from here. This is the beginning of the said
   pavan [16 bars] then follows the said pavan from the
  beginning"
   [As to 4. Vidal obviously forgot to write the beginning of the pavan,
   and adds the bars at the end of the piece. A closer look at the end of
   the piece in the facsimile shows this clearly, with a crossing out of
   the three first chords of the piece, and then the instructions quoted
   above]

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   On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:50 PM Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
   <[2]jlaju...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Can anyone give me a translation of the texts on folio 48r of the
 Capirola MS (the third page of Padoana alla Francese No. 2) or
 explain
 what they mean?
 -- Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
 To get on or off this list see list information at
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[LUTE] Re: Capirola Zoology

2020-07-27 Thread Tristan von Neumann

That doesn't mean artists can correctly draw exotic animals...

[1]https://www.zmescience.com/other/medieval-elephant-56720/

On 27.07.20 15:24, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier wrote:

The African continent has been travelled to since the middle ages..

Le ï¿½dim. 26 juil. 2020 Ã ï¿½11:48, Tristan von Neumann
<[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> a Ã©crit ï¿½:

Just preparinig to print my own facsimile of Capirola...
I was wondering: most animals look really realistic (yes I know,
there's
Griffons and Unicorns too and those do not exist).
How did the illuminator (Mr. Vidal?) know how a Giraffe looks?
[3]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Capirola_lute
book.jpg
The guy holding the leash also doesn't seem to be European.
Is there any information about travels?
The pictures just look too good, especially in the light of other
animal
representations of the time when people had not actually seen very
much
of exotic animals.
(When depictions of an Elephant looked more like this:
[4]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Deinoth
erium.png/1280px-Deinotherium.png)
Or maybe Giraffes and Monkeys were held in private Zoos?
Where would that be?
Anyway, this book is highly enjoyable and it might finally teach me
how
to sight-read Italian tabs...
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