[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Tristan von Neumann]

Here's one chromatic Pavan by William Corkine, very beautiful.

Ayres to sing and play, v.1 (1610), f.e1va
http://gerbode.net/sources/Corkine/v_1_1610/lute/pdf/14_pavane_lute.pdf

William Corkine seems to have quite a unique style, unlike everything I 
have tried to play yet.



This other Pavan by Corkine is also very beautiful with some chromatics:
http://gerbode.net/sources/Corkine/v_1_1610/lute/pdf/18_pavane_lute.pdf

and this one from Vol. 2, though no chromatics, just beautifully set.
http://gerbode.net/sources/Corkine/v_2_1612/lute/pdf/29_pavane_lute.pdf





Am 19.12.2017 um 21:37 schrieb G. C.:

So, to summarize, the quest for a list of chromatic works
for lute has upto now given a nice collection of 11 pieces:
Gostena Fantasia 25
Molinaro Fantasia 12
Dowland Forlorne Hope and Farewell
Peter Phillips Dolorosa Pavan
Aegidius #22 Galliard
Picinnini Toccata Cromatica
Castaldi Cromatica Corrente
Gregorio Huwett Fantasia
Nicolas Vallet Fantasya Mendiante
Pietro Paolo Melli Capriccio Chromatico
Bach BWV 997 fuga
All except BWV 997 from ca. 1590 to 1630s?
G.
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I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces
available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips
dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones?
G.

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   Thanks to Alain for spotting a new one!
   As I see it, there should be a chromatic theme that is
   considerable within the piece, not just a chromatic
   modulation or two. The Doni lute book recently
   mentioned seems to have potential entries. :)
   G.
   On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Tristan von Neumann
   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

 That's funny. I played just today from the Cherbury Book (and failed
 mostly, these pieces are quite tricky). I didn't get to this piece.
 Thanks! I had looked at it once, but didn't remember.
 One question:
 What do you people consider "chromatic"? Do you mean with a
 chromatic theme or just with passages that feature more than one
 half tone step in a row?
 For example would you consider m. 15 in the Preamble 2 from
 Newsidler Vol. 2. noteworthy in that regard?

   Am 19.01.2018 um 21:10 schrieb Alain Veylit:

 Goran,
 I think you could add: Fantasia Diomedes - [Cherbury lute book fol.
 38/1] to that list. Apologies if this was already in your list.
 [2]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/files/images/cherbury/
 Cherbury_78.jpg
 Alain
 On 12/19/2017 02:37 PM, G. C. wrote:

   A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial
 chromatic
   pieces:
   15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan
   16. "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of
 chromaticism.
   I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be
 transcribed for
   lute."
   (Christopher Wilke 2013)
   As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata
 8)
   17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?)
   18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic
 bass
   notes (?)
   19. (?) CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21
 of Lutz
   Kirchoff's
   "Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a
 chromatic
   line)
 20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation
 at the
 conclusions of the 1st half. M. RÃÆÃ ¶sel)
 21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation
 gets VERY chro
 matic
 and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or
 even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D.
 Shoskes)
   G.
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Tristan von Neumann]

I just looked, it's a transposed version of the Gostena Fantasy 25.

Sounds good though.

Am 19.01.2018 um 21:10 schrieb Alain Veylit:

Goran,

I think you could add: Fantasia Diomedes - [Cherbury lute book fol. 
38/1] to that list. Apologies if this was already in your list.


http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/files/images/cherbury/Cherbury_78.jpg

Alain


On 12/19/2017 02:37 PM, G. C. wrote:

    A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic
    pieces:
    15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan
    16.   "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism.
    I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed 
for

    lute."
    (Christopher Wilke 2013)
    As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8)
    17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?)
    18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic bass
    notes (?)
    19. (?)   CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of Lutz
    Kirchoff's
    "Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a chromatic
    line)
20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation at the
conclusions of the 1st half. M. Rösel)
21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation gets 
VERY chro

matic
and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or
even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D. Shoskes)

    G.

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Tristan von Neumann]

That's funny. I played just today from the Cherbury Book (and failed 
mostly, these pieces are quite tricky). I didn't get to this piece. 
Thanks! I had looked at it once, but didn't remember.


One question:
What do you people consider "chromatic"? Do you mean with a chromatic 
theme or just with passages that feature more than one half tone step in 
a row?


For example would you consider m. 15 in the Preamble 2 from Newsidler 
Vol. 2. noteworthy in that regard?



Am 19.01.2018 um 21:10 schrieb Alain Veylit:

Goran,

I think you could add: Fantasia Diomedes - [Cherbury lute book fol. 
38/1] to that list. Apologies if this was already in your list.


http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/files/images/cherbury/Cherbury_78.jpg

Alain


On 12/19/2017 02:37 PM, G. C. wrote:

    A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic
    pieces:
    15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan
    16.   "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism.
    I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed 
for

    lute."
    (Christopher Wilke 2013)
    As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8)
    17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?)
    18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic bass
    notes (?)
    19. (?)   CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of Lutz
    Kirchoff's
    "Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a chromatic
    line)
20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation at the
conclusions of the 1st half. M. Rösel)
21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation gets 
VERY chro

matic
and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or
even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D. Shoskes)

    G.

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Alain Veylit]

Goran,

I think you could add: Fantasia Diomedes - [Cherbury lute book fol. 
38/1] to that list. Apologies if this was already in your list.


http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/files/images/cherbury/Cherbury_78.jpg

Alain


On 12/19/2017 02:37 PM, G. C. wrote:

A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic
pieces:
15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan
16.   "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism.
I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed for
lute."
(Christopher Wilke 2013)
As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8)
17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?)
18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic bass
notes (?)
19. (?)   CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of Lutz
Kirchoff's
"Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a chromatic
line)
20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation at the
conclusions of the 1st half. M. Rösel)
21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation gets VERY chro
matic
and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or
even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D. Shoskes)

G.

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Steven Farrelly-Jackson]

   For partial chromatic pieces, I seem to recall that Robert De Visee
   uses chromaticism in his well known D minor  suite for lute (the one
   recorded by Nigel North decades ago), I think in the sarabande. Maybe a
   De Visee specialist could confirm ...

   On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:37 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial
 chromatic
pieces:
15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan
16."Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism.
I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be
 transcribed for
lute."
(Christopher Wilke 2013)
As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8)
17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?)
18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic
 bass
notes (?)
19. (?)CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of
 Lutz
Kirchoff's
"Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a
 chromatic
line)
 20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation
 at the
 conclusions of the 1st half. M. RÃ ¶sel)
 21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation
 gets VERY chro
 matic
 and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or
 even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D.
 Shoskes)
G.
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Tristan von Neumann]

If you count madrigals:

Marenzio's "Venuta era Madonna"
from
Donaueschingen Lute Book Vol. 3 f.31v

some fancy chord progressions for sure.

Am 19.12.2017 um 23:37 schrieb G. C.:

A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic
pieces:
15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan
16.   "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism.
I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed for
lute."
(Christopher Wilke 2013)
As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8)
17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?)
18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic bass
notes (?)
19. (?)   CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of Lutz
Kirchoff's
"Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a chromatic
line)
20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation at the
conclusions of the 1st half. M. Rösel)
21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation gets VERY chro
matic
and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or
even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D. Shoskes)

G.

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic
   pieces:
   15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan
   16.   "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism.
   I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed for
   lute."
   (Christopher Wilke 2013)
   As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8)
   17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?)
   18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic bass
   notes (?)
   19. (?)   CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of Lutz
   Kirchoff's
   "Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a chromatic
   line)
20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation at the
conclusions of the 1st half. M. Rösel)
21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation gets VERY chro
matic
and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or
even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D. Shoskes)

   G.

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Tristan von Neumann]

Let's add Michelagnolo Galilei Corrente 16 (slightly chromatic)

and the other chromatic Gostena Fantasy is No. 7.
(a really nice one indeed, and not as difficult as others in the collection)

Am 19.12.2017 um 21:37 schrieb G. C.:

So, to summarize, the quest for a list of chromatic works
for lute has upto now given a nice collection of 11 pieces:
Gostena Fantasia 25
Molinaro Fantasia 12
Dowland Forlorne Hope and Farewell
Peter Phillips Dolorosa Pavan
Aegidius #22 Galliard
Picinnini Toccata Cromatica
Castaldi Cromatica Corrente
Gregorio Huwett Fantasia
Nicolas Vallet Fantasya Mendiante
Pietro Paolo Melli Capriccio Chromatico
Bach BWV 997 fuga
All except BWV 997 from ca. 1590 to 1630s?
G.
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 10:06 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces
available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips
dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones?
G.

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   14. Kapsberger Corrente 7 for chitarrone
   Is a small performance program emerging? You'll have to be rather
   dextrous though! :D
   G.
   On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:18 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:
  Thanks Eugene!
  Were up to 13 pieces then with Dowland's 2 :)
  G.

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   Thanks Eugene!
   Were up to 13 pieces then with Dowland's 2 :)
   G.
   On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Braig, Eugene <[1]brai...@osu.edu>
   wrote:
   Clarification: at least two toccatas titled "cromatica" by Piccinini,
   III and XII from the first lute book (1623).
   Best,
   Eugene

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Braig, Eugene]

Clarification: at least two toccatas titled "cromatica" by Piccinini, III and 
XII from the first lute book (1623).

Best,
Eugene


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G. C.
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To: Lutelist
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

   So, to summarize, the quest for a list of chromatic works
   for lute has upto now given a nice collection of 11 pieces:
   Gostena Fantasia 25
   Molinaro Fantasia 12
   Dowland Forlorne Hope and Farewell
   Peter Phillips Dolorosa Pavan
   Aegidius #22 Galliard
   Picinnini Toccata Cromatica
   Castaldi Cromatica Corrente
   Gregorio Huwett Fantasia
   Nicolas Vallet Fantasya Mendiante
   Pietro Paolo Melli Capriccio Chromatico
   Bach BWV 997 fuga
   All except BWV 997 from ca. 1590 to 1630s?
   G.
   On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 10:06 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

   I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces
   available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips
   dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones?
   G.

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   So, to summarize, the quest for a list of chromatic works
   for lute has upto now given a nice collection of 11 pieces:
   Gostena Fantasia 25
   Molinaro Fantasia 12
   Dowland Forlorne Hope and Farewell
   Peter Phillips Dolorosa Pavan
   Aegidius #22 Galliard
   Picinnini Toccata Cromatica
   Castaldi Cromatica Corrente
   Gregorio Huwett Fantasia
   Nicolas Vallet Fantasya Mendiante
   Pietro Paolo Melli Capriccio Chromatico
   Bach BWV 997 fuga
   All except BWV 997 from ca. 1590 to 1630s?
   G.
   On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 10:06 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

   I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces
   available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips
   dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones?
   G.

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Rainer]

On 17.12.2017 22:31, G. C. wrote:

Caro Francesco,
Molto bello indeed! I encoded this piece into fronimo today. But...
 _
|_c___|
|_c___|
|_e___|
|_|
|_|
On page 18 of 2nd book, first chord third measure c2-c3-e4   this does
not sound right. Any suggestions?


First book!


And ninth course d# correct? What about 8th course? E natural no?


See the tuning instructions in the index:

La huitiesme au c [of the second course]. La neufieme au b.  La dixie.a la 
cinqiéme.

Rainer



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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   Got it thanks to Ron.
   Incroyable!
   _
   |_c___|
   |_e___|
   |_e___|
   |_|
   |_|
   G.

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   You're right Ralf, I might have gotten a bit carried away, remembering
   (wrongly) and not checking :) Late saturday meanderings... Sorry!
   G

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Ralf Mattes]

 
Am Samstag, 16. Dezember 2017 23:49 CET, "G. C."  schrieb: 
 
>And lets not forget
> 
> [1]FantasÃa que contrahaze la harpa en la manera de Ludovico

That's not a chromatic piece at all - where do you see a chromatic step?

 Cheers, Ralf Mattes

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   Caro Francesco,
   Molto bello indeed! I encoded this piece into fronimo today. But...
_
   |_c___|
   |_c___|
   |_e___|
   |_|
   |_|
   On page 18 of 2nd book, first chord third measure c2-c3-e4   this does
   not sound right. Any suggestions?
   And ninth course d# correct? What about 8th course? E natural no?
   On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 9:30 AM, [1]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it
   <[2]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it> wrote:
  Also Nicolas Vallet, fantasia mediante. Very beautiful
  Francesco

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[John Mardinly]

Forlorne Hope and Farwell by Dowland?

A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.

Francisco Goya



> On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:06 AM, Edward Martin <edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   Yes there is a contemporary tablature of BWV 997, but the fuga and
>   double to the gigue are omitted!   So, you are correct, Mathias!
> 
>   On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:58 AM, [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de
>   <[2]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
>__
>  Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App
>  --- Original-Nachricht ---
>  Von: [3]mathias.roe...@t-online.de
>  Betreff: Re: Chromatic lute works
>  Datum: 17.12.2017, 11:57 Uhr
>  An: Baroque Lute Net
>  Is there a contemporary lute tablature of BWV 997? I was thinking
>   the
>  initial post asked for tablatures.
>  Mathias
>__
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>  Von: G. C.
>  Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
>  Datum: 17.12.2017, 11:46 Uhr
>  An: Liuto Internazionale
>  Yes, how could one have forgotten BWV 997 :)
>  Thanks Ed!
>  G.
>  On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Edward Martin
>  <[1]edvihuela12@[3][4]gmail.com>; wrote:
>  Capriccio Chromatico by Pietro Paolo Melij
>  I am surprised nobody listed the fugue in c minor by JS Bach, BWV
>  997
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Edward Martin]

   Yes there is a contemporary tablature of BWV 997, but the fuga and
   double to the gigue are omitted!   So, you are correct, Mathias!

   On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:58 AM, [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de
   <[2]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:

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  Is there a contemporary lute tablature of BWV 997? I was thinking
   the
  initial post asked for tablatures.
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  Yes, how could one have forgotten BWV 997 :)
  Thanks Ed!
  G.
  On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Edward Martin
  <[1]edvihuela12@[3][4]gmail.com>; wrote:
  Capriccio Chromatico by Pietro Paolo Melij
  I am surprised nobody listed the fugue in c minor by JS Bach, BWV
  997
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt]

...and some more:

Claudio Saracini - 2 Toccatas for archlute in "Le musiche", Venice 1614

Rainer

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Am 17.12.2017 um 12:08 schrieb G. C.:

No, D-Leipzig III.11.5 doesn't contain it?
G.
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:58 AM, [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de
<[2]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:
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   Datum: 17.12.2017, 11:57 Uhr
   An: Baroque Lute Net
   Is there a contemporary lute tablature of BWV 997? I was thinking
the
   initial post asked for tablatures.
   Mathias

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   No, D-Leipzig III.11.5 doesn't contain it?
   G.
   On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:58 AM, [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de
   <[2]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:
  Betreff: Re: Chromatic lute works
  Datum: 17.12.2017, 11:57 Uhr
  An: Baroque Lute Net
  Is there a contemporary lute tablature of BWV 997? I was thinking
   the
  initial post asked for tablatures.
  Mathias

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

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   Is there a contemporary lute tablature of BWV 997? I was thinking the
   initial post asked for tablatures.
   Mathias
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   Yes, how could one have forgotten BWV 997 :)
   Thanks Ed!
   G.
   On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Edward Martin
   <[1]edvihuela12@[3]gmail.com>; wrote:
   Capriccio Chromatico by Pietro Paolo Melij
   I am surprised nobody listed the fugue in c minor by JS Bach, BWV
   997
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[mathias.roe...@t-online.de]

   Is there a contemporary lute tablature of BWV 997? I was thinking the
   initial post asked for tablatures.
   Mathias
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   Yes, how could one have forgotten BWV 997 :)
   Thanks Ed!
   G.
   On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Edward Martin
   <[1]edvihuela12@[2]gmail.com>; wrote:
   Capriccio Chromatico by Pietro Paolo Melij
   I am surprised nobody listed the fugue in c minor by JS Bach, BWV
   997
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   Yes, how could one have forgotten BWV 997 :)
   Thanks Ed!
   G.
   On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Edward Martin
   <[1]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Capriccio Chromatico by Pietro Paolo Melij
  I am surprised nobody listed the fugue in c minor by JS Bach, BWV
   997

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Edward Martin]

 Capriccio Chromatico by Pietro Paolo Melij
   I am surprised nobody listed the fugue in c minor by JS Bach, BWV 997

   On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 2:34 AM, Jean-Marie Poirier
   <[1]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

   You mean « la mendiante » Francesco! A nice piece indeed ;-)!
   Best wishes,
   Jean-Marie
   > Le 17 déc. 2017 à 09:30, "[2]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it"
   <[3]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it> a écrit :
   >
   >Also Nicolas Vallet, fantasia mediante. Very beautiful
   >Francesco
   >- Rispondi al messaggio -
   >Da: "Tristan von Neumann" <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
   >A: "lutelist Net" <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   >Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
   >Data: dom, dic 17, 2017 02:22
   >
   > Also Spinacino's Ricercar 17 from Volume 1.
   >
   > It's not chromatic per se, but cadences on 12 tones are quite
   impressive.
   >
   >> Am 16.12.2017 um 22:06 schrieb G. C.:
   >> I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces
   >> available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the
   Phillips
   >> dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones?
   >> G.
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Jean-Marie Poirier]

You mean « la mendiante » Francesco! A nice piece indeed ;-)!
Best wishes,
Jean-Marie

> Le 17 déc. 2017 à 09:30, "tribi...@arcetri.astro.it" 
> <tribi...@arcetri.astro.it> a écrit :
> 
>   Also Nicolas Vallet, fantasia mediante. Very beautiful
>   Francesco
>   - Rispondi al messaggio -
>   Da: "Tristan von Neumann" <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
>   A: "lutelist Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>   Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
>   Data: dom, dic 17, 2017 02:22
> 
> Also Spinacino's Ricercar 17 from Volume 1.
> 
> It's not chromatic per se, but cadences on 12 tones are quite impressive.
> 
>> Am 16.12.2017 um 22:06 schrieb G. C.:
>>I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces
>>available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips
>>dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones?
>>G.
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[tribi...@arcetri.astro.it]

   Also Nicolas Vallet, fantasia mediante. Very beautiful
   Francesco
   - Rispondi al messaggio -
   Da: "Tristan von Neumann" <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
   A: "lutelist Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
   Data: dom, dic 17, 2017 02:22

Also Spinacino's Ricercar 17 from Volume 1.

It's not chromatic per se, but cadences on 12 tones are quite impressive.

Am 16.12.2017 um 22:06 schrieb G. C.:
> I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces
> available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips
> dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones?
> G.
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Tristan von Neumann]

Also Spinacino's Ricercar 17 from Volume 1.

It's not chromatic per se, but cadences on 12 tones are quite impressive.

Am 16.12.2017 um 22:06 schrieb G. C.:

I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces
available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips
dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones?
G.

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Tristan von Neumann]

"No, let chromatic tunes"

Really. No kidding.

Am 17.12.2017 um 01:09 schrieb G. C.:

Dear Jelma,
which ones?
G.
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Jelma van Amersfoort
<[1]jel...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are very chromatic lute songs by John Danyel.
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   Dear Jelma,
   which ones?
   G.
   On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Jelma van Amersfoort
   <[1]jel...@gmail.com> wrote:
   There are very chromatic lute songs by John Danyel.
   Jelma

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Jelma van Amersfoort]

There are very chromatic lute songs by John Danyel.

Jelma

> On 16 Dec 2017, at 22:06, G. C.  wrote:
> 
>   I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces
>   available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips
>   dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones?
>   G.
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   Thanks for Hewitt and Picinnini Eugene
   Castaldi definitely counts :)
   G.
   On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Braig, Eugene <[1]brai...@osu.edu>
   wrote:

 How 'bout the Gregorio Huwett fantasia (the more famous one recorded
 by Bream, O'Dette, etc.)?   (I really like that one.)   . . . or
 Piccinini's couple works titled "Toccata Cromatica"?   . . . or even
 Castaldi's " Cromatica Corrente"?   (Does chitarrone count?)
 Eugene

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Braig, Eugene]

How 'bout the Gregorio Huwett fantasia (the more famous one recorded by Bream, 
O'Dette, etc.)?  (I really like that one.)  . . . or Piccinini's couple works 
titled "Toccata Cromatica"?  . . . or even Castaldi's " Cromatica Corrente"?  
(Does chitarrone count?)

Eugene


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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

   :) an old friend of mine! Specifics please Susan.
   G.
   On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Susan Sandman
   <[1]susan.sand...@gmail.com> wrote:

   Vincenzo Galilei.
   It's hard, but has delightfully chromatic harmony.
   On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:52 PM G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

And Gesualdo for sure, if there were any Gesualdo pieces
 available.
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Tristan von Neumann]

I can't find it right now, but one other Gostena Fantasy has some 
chromatic steps.


Also, Gregorius Howet has one with a slightly chromatic theme.

In the Donaueschingen Lutebook there are some madrigal intavolations 
with more extravagant harmonies.


Am 16.12.2017 um 22:29 schrieb Miles Dempster:

Here’s one…

Fantasia XXV by Gio. Battista dalla Gostena

from
Intavolatura di Liuto di Simone Molinaro - Libro Primo (1599)

Miles





On Dec 16, 2017, at 4:06 PM, G. C.  wrote:

   I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces
   available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips
   dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones?
   G.

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[Susan Sandman]

   Sorry, I meant Michelangelo  Galilei. The piece I tried was Toccata 8.
   On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:59 PM G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

:) an old friend of mine! Specifics please Susan.
G.
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Susan Sandman
<[1][2]susan.sand...@gmail.com> wrote:
Vincenzo Galilei.
It's hard, but has delightfully chromatic harmony.
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:52 PM G. C. <[2][3]kalei...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 And Gesualdo for sure, if there were any Gesualdo pieces
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 Kapsberger?
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   :) an old friend of mine! Specifics please Susan.
   G.
   On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Susan Sandman
   <[1]susan.sand...@gmail.com> wrote:

   Vincenzo Galilei.
   It's hard, but has delightfully chromatic harmony.
   On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:52 PM G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

And Gesualdo for sure, if there were any Gesualdo pieces
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Susan Sandman]

   Vincenzo Galilei.
   It's hard, but has delightfully chromatic harmony.
   On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:52 PM G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

And Gesualdo for sure, if there were any Gesualdo pieces
 available.
Kapsberger?
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   And Gesualdo for sure, if there were any Gesualdo pieces available.
   Kapsberger?

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   And lets not forget

[1]FantasÃa que contrahaze la harpa en la manera de Ludovico

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   I suppose, Molinaro's own fantasia 12 also qualifies?
   G.

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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[G. C.]

   Thanks Miles!
   G.

   On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Miles Dempster
   <[1]miles.demps...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Here's oneâ¦
 Fantasia XXV by Gio. Battista dalla Gostena
 from
 Intavolatura di Liuto di Simone Molinaro - Libro Primo (1599)
 Miles

   > On Dec 16, 2017, at 4:06 PM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:
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   >I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces
   >available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the
   Phillips
   >dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones?
   >G.
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Miles Dempster]

Here’s one…

Fantasia XXV by Gio. Battista dalla Gostena

from
Intavolatura di Liuto di Simone Molinaro - Libro Primo (1599) 

Miles




> On Dec 16, 2017, at 4:06 PM, G. C.  wrote:
> 
>   I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces
>   available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips
>   dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones?
>   G.
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