[LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889
Have also a look to this here: http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Thesis/Tunings%20Survey/TuningsS.html <http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Thesis/Tunings%20Survey/TuningsS.html> or in German: http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Abhandlung/Accords/Accords.html <http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Abhandlung/Accords/Accords.html> scrll down to the end of the page. There are PDFs of the database of tunings (Stimmungsdatenbank) which Iâm working on since years. Becaue of techical problems with an update of my homepage editor I have to convert the whole site to Joomla - and I hope to have the possibility to show databases (also the Pièces en Accords Nouveaux = PAN) in a much better form. Enjoy! Andreas > Am 20.04.2019 um 18:25 schrieb Alain Veylit : > > Dire qu'il ete enrhumé pendant 2 bons siecles!! Pas etonnant qu'il soit > devenu ordinaire... normal, quoi ... Bizarrement, le ton becarre > enrhume a 2 Fa dieses ... > > Du coup, j'ai fait une recherche sur Google pour "arume", qui ne donne > rien du tout... > > R.P. Goy donne des tableaux tres complets des accords nouveaux a > [1]http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/DownloadD/files/Abhandlung_Goy.pdf > . Merci a lui pour ce travail. > > On 4/20/19 1:19 AM, Jean-Marie POIRIER wrote: > > > Ton Arumé (or enrhumé) is nothing but the baroque d minor tuning > actually ;-) ! > > > Best, > > > Jean-Marie > > > > >> Message du 20/04/19 05:24 >> De : "Alain Veylit" [2] >> A : [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> Copie à : >> Objet : [LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889 >> >> Talking about moutarde, Peter Steur's site has under no. 11 in > that >> collection: Almande (ton Arume) (J.Mercure, CLFMer II N��1) a-moll >> - GB-LbmBotnia / 92v. >> >> I think it should be ton enrhum�� (not arume). Enrhum�� in French > is to >> have a cold and consequently speaking with a stuffed nose... > something >> that mustard was supposed to help cure, BTW. Another way of saying > an >> unusual tuning was also: a cordes avalees, literally "with > swallowed >> strings", but I am sure they did not mean it literally - cat-gut > is not >> that good to eat, even though it is sheep... >> >> Even if Arume is properly transcribed from the MS, it might help > to >> have the correct spelling added to help with searching for pieces > in >> that particular tuning (or set of tunings ...). Just a suggestion. >> >> Alain >> >> Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2019 4:27 am >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889 >> Hi Ed, >> I don't know if this helps but Peter Steur and Markus Lutz provide > the >> incipit. Maybe you could contact them to see if they have a copy. >> > [1][1][4]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotn > ia=e >> ng=all >> The MANUSCRIPT SOURCES IN TABLATURE site gives the following >> concordance of this piece in the Jagiellonian Library: >> Cordon bleu [ou La nouvelle Moutarde] >> PL-Kj Mus. ms. 40626, f. 17v-18 >> Best, >> Matthew >> Le 18 avr. 2019 ���� 00:15, Edward Martin > [2][5]<[2]edvihuel...@gmail.com> a >> ��������crit : >>> Dear Ones, >>> I am in search of a particular piece in a particular source. I >> would >>> like to s "Cordon Bleu" which appears on f. 99r. >>> I cannot seem to find this on line. Can anyone provide it to me? >>> Thanks! >>> Ed >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> [3][3][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> -- >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. > [4][7]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia; > lang=eng& >> instr=all >> 2. [5][8]mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com >> 3. [6][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. > [10]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia > ng=e >> 2. mailto:[[11]2]edvihuel...@gmail.com >> 3. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> 4. > [13]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia > ng=eng=all >> 5. [14]mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com >> 6. [15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> > > -- > > References > > 1. http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/DownloadD/files/Abhandlung_Goy.pdf > 2. mailto:al..
[LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889
Dire qu'il ete enrhumé pendant 2 bons siecles!! Pas etonnant qu'il soit
devenu ordinaire... normal, quoi ... Bizarrement, le ton becarre
enrhume a 2 Fa dieses ...
Du coup, j'ai fait une recherche sur Google pour "arume", qui ne donne
rien du tout...
R.P. Goy donne des tableaux tres complets des accords nouveaux a
[1]http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/DownloadD/files/Abhandlung_Goy.pdf
. Merci a lui pour ce travail.
On 4/20/19 1:19 AM, Jean-Marie POIRIER wrote:
Ton Arumé (or enrhumé) is nothing but the baroque d minor tuning
actually ;-) !
Best,
Jean-Marie
> Message du 20/04/19 05:24
> De : "Alain Veylit" [2]
> A : [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Copie à :
> Objet : [LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889
>
> Talking about moutarde, Peter Steur's site has under no. 11 in
that
> collection: Almande (ton Arume) (J.Mercure, CLFMer II N��1) a-moll
> - GB-LbmBotnia / 92v.
>
> I think it should be ton enrhum�� (not arume). Enrhum�� in French
is to
> have a cold and consequently speaking with a stuffed nose...
something
> that mustard was supposed to help cure, BTW. Another way of saying
an
> unusual tuning was also: a cordes avalees, literally "with
swallowed
> strings", but I am sure they did not mean it literally - cat-gut
is not
> that good to eat, even though it is sheep...
>
> Even if Arume is properly transcribed from the MS, it might help
to
> have the correct spelling added to help with searching for pieces
in
> that particular tuning (or set of tunings ...). Just a suggestion.
>
> Alain
>
> Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2019 4:27 am
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889
> Hi Ed,
> I don't know if this helps but Peter Steur and Markus Lutz provide
the
> incipit. Maybe you could contact them to see if they have a copy.
>
[1][1][4]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotn
ia=e
> ng=all
> The MANUSCRIPT SOURCES IN TABLATURE site gives the following
> concordance of this piece in the Jagiellonian Library:
> Cordon bleu [ou La nouvelle Moutarde]
> PL-Kj Mus. ms. 40626, f. 17v-18
> Best,
> Matthew
> Le 18 avr. 2019 ���� 00:15, Edward Martin
[2][5]<[2]edvihuel...@gmail.com> a
> ��������crit :
> > Dear Ones,
> > I am in search of a particular piece in a particular source. I
> would
> > like to s "Cordon Bleu" which appears on f. 99r.
> > I cannot seem to find this on line. Can anyone provide it to me?
> > Thanks!
> > Ed
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > To get on or off this list see list information at
> > [3][3][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> --
>
> --
>
> References
>
> 1.
[4][7]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia;
lang=eng&
> instr=all
> 2. [5][8]mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com
> 3. [6][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
>
> --
>
> References
>
> 1.
[10]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia
ng=e
> 2. mailto:[[11]2]edvihuel...@gmail.com
> 3. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 4.
[13]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia
ng=eng=all
> 5. [14]mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com
> 6. [15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
>
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References
1. http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/DownloadD/files/Abhandlung_Goy.pdf
2. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com
3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
4. https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=e
5. mailto:[2]edvihuel...@gmail.com
6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
7. https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=eng;
8. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com
9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
10. https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=e
11. mailto:2]edvihuel...@gmail.com
12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
13.
https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=eng=all
14. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com
15. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889
Ton Arumé (or enrhumé) is nothing but the baroque d minor tuning
actually ;-) !
Best,
Jean-Marie
> Message du 20/04/19 05:24
> De : "Alain Veylit"
> A : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Copie à :
> Objet : [LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889
>
> Talking about moutarde, Peter Steur's site has under no. 11 in
that
> collection: Almande (ton Arume) (J.Mercure, CLFMer II N��1)
a-moll
> - GB-LbmBotnia / 92v.
>
> I think it should be ton enrhum�� (not arume).
Enrhum�� in
French is to
> have a cold and consequently speaking with a stuffed nose...
something
> that mustard was supposed to help cure, BTW. Another way of saying
an
> unusual tuning was also: a cordes avalees, literally "with
swallowed
> strings", but I am sure they did not mean it literally - cat-gut
is not
> that good to eat, even though it is sheep...
>
> Even if Arume is properly transcribed from the MS, it might help
to
> have the correct spelling added to help with searching for pieces
in
> that particular tuning (or set of tunings ...). Just a suggestion.
>
> Alain
>
> Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2019 4:27 am
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889
> Hi Ed,
> I don't know if this helps but Peter Steur and Markus Lutz provide
the
> incipit. Maybe you could contact them to see if they have a copy.
>
[1][1]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia;
lang=e
> ng=all
> The MANUSCRIPT SOURCES IN TABLATURE site gives the following
> concordance of this piece in the Jagiellonian Library:
> Cordon bleu [ou La nouvelle Moutarde]
> PL-Kj Mus. ms. 40626, f. 17v-18
> Best,
> Matthew
> Le 18 avr. 2019 ���� 00:15, Edward Martin
[2]<[2]edvihuel...@gmail.com> a
> ��������crit :
> > Dear Ones,
> > I am in search of a particular piece in a particular source. I
> would
> > like to s "Cordon Bleu" which appears on f. 99r.
> > I cannot seem to find this on line. Can anyone provide it to me?
> > Thanks!
> > Ed
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > To get on or off this list see list information at
> > [3][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> --
>
> --
>
> References
>
> 1.
[4]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia
g=eng&
> instr=all
> 2. [5]mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com
> 3. [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
>
> --
>
> References
>
> 1.
https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=e
> 2. mailto:[2]edvihuel...@gmail.com
> 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 4.
https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=e
ng=all
> 5. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com
> 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
>
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[LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889
Talking about moutarde, Peter Steur's site has under no. 11 in that collection: Almande (ton Arume) (J.Mercure, CLFMer II N°1) a-moll - GB-LbmBotnia / 92v. I think it should be ton enrhumé (not arume). Enrhumé in French is to have a cold and consequently speaking with a stuffed nose... something that mustard was supposed to help cure, BTW. Another way of saying an unusual tuning was also: a cordes avalees, literally "with swallowed strings", but I am sure they did not mean it literally - cat-gut is not that good to eat, even though it is sheep... Even if Arume is properly transcribed from the MS, it might help to have the correct spelling added to help with searching for pieces in that particular tuning (or set of tunings ...). Just a suggestion. Alain Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2019 4:27 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889 Hi Ed, I don't know if this helps but Peter Steur and Markus Lutz provide the incipit. Maybe you could contact them to see if they have a copy. [1][1]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=e ng=all The MANUSCRIPT SOURCES IN TABLATURE site gives the following concordance of this piece in the Jagiellonian Library: Cordon bleu [ou La nouvelle Moutarde] PL-Kj Mus. ms. 40626, f. 17v-18 Best, Matthew Le 18 avr. 2019 ÃÆ 00:15, Edward Martin [2]<[2]edvihuel...@gmail.com> a ÃÆécrit : > Dear Ones, > I am in search of a particular piece in a particular source. I would > like to s "Cordon Bleu" which appears on f. 99r. > I cannot seem to find this on line. Can anyone provide it to me? > Thanks! > Ed > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- References 1. [4]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=eng; instr=all 2. [5]mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 3. [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=e 2. mailto:[2]edvihuel...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=eng=all 5. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889
You're making me hungry. An alternate title for "Cordon Bleu" is "La moutarde nouvelle." When you check Steur, go to concordance Nr, 1466 (Conc_1466) which lists four sources. PL-Kj mus ms 40626, f. 17v-18 for guitar is available from the LSA Facsimile Collection (titled "La moutarde"). LSA also has Balcarre's Lute Book, p. 125, and GB-Lbm 16889 (Lbm Botnia), fol. 99r. At LSA I can't find B-Gu 3898-2 (f. 18v) at Gent Uni. --AJN -Original Message- From: Matthew Daillie To: lute net Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2019 4:27 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889 Hi Ed, I don't know if this helps but Peter Steur and Markus Lutz provide the incipit. Maybe you could contact them to see if they have a copy. [1]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=e ng=all=20 The MANUSCRIPT SOURCES IN TABLATURE site gives the following concordance of this piece in the Jagiellonian Library: Cordon bleu [ou La nouvelle Moutarde] PL-Kj Mus. ms. 40626, f. 17v-18 Best, Matthew Le 18 avr. 2019 à 00:15, Edward Martin <[2]edvihuel...@gmail.com> a écrit : > Dear Ones, > I am in search of a particular piece in a particular source. I would > like to s "Cordon Bleu" which appears on f. 99r. > I cannot seem to find this on line. Can anyone provide it to me? > Thanks! > Ed > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- References 1. https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=eng=all=20 2. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889
Hi Ed, I don't know if this helps but Peter Steur and Markus Lutz provide the incipit. Maybe you could contact them to see if they have a copy. https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=eng=all=20 The MANUSCRIPT SOURCES IN TABLATURE site gives the following concordance of this piece in the Jagiellonian Library: Cordon bleu [ou La nouvelle Moutarde] PL-Kj Mus. ms. 40626, f. 17v-18 Best, Matthew Le 18 avr. 2019 à 00:15, Edward Martin a écrit : > Dear Ones, > I am in search of a particular piece in a particular source. I would > like to s "Cordon Bleu" which appears on f. 99r. > I cannot seem to find this on line. Can anyone provide it to me? > Thanks! > Ed > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
