[LUTE] Re: Lineage of early Guitars
>Incidentaly Fuenllana's 5-course vihuela has the same interval pattern as >the baroque guitar and the classical guitar without a 6th string. ..assuming that bourdons were not employed. This possibility could significantly change punteado melodies. Personally, I'm not unquestionably convinced by the employment of unison tuning on the fifth and sixth courses as it pertains to the vihuela. Supposedly more controversial is the possibility of unison tuning on the fourth course. Sorry to further "stir the puddin'." Fred To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lineage of early Guitars
- Original Message - From: Joshua Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:00 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lineage of early Guitars To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > There's got to be some relation between my > Classical Guitar and Lutes > and such. Because with the right tuning, I get the > same pitches as a > Lute or Vihuela. (capo 3rd fret). -- Capotasto at three is popular, but really pretty inconsequential. Pitch was much more plastic and less standardized until recent times. The more substantial difference between guitars in their common standard tunings and lute-like things of so-called renaissance tuning is the position of the third in relation to the highest string. Best, Eugene -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lineage of early Guitars
There's got to be some relation between my Classical Guitar and Lutes and such. Because with the right tuning, I get the same pitches as a Lute or Vihuela. (capo 3rd fret). -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lineage of early Guitars
- Original Message - From: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lutelist" Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lineage of early Guitars Aside from octave stringing on the 4th and 5th cources, was not Francisco Gerau's tuning identical to strings 5 thru 1 of the "modern" guutar? Surely Gerau was not the first to use this non-reentrant tuning for the baroque guitar. No - indeed he wasn't! Different ways of stringing the guitar were used throughout the 17th century. But better not to start going into that yet again. Different methods of stringing don't make that much difference to the music - in spite of what many people think. The point is that you must have high octave strings on the 4th and 5th courses for music to make sense which is why it doesn't work on a classical guitar. The low octave strings (bourdons) are an optional extra. Incidentaly Fuenllana's 5-course vihuela has the same interval pattern as the baroque guitar and the classical guitar without a 6th string. Monica Gary - Original Message - From: "Monica Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Joshua Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:12 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lineage of early Guitars This is really an impossible question short of writing a book on the subject. However - received wisdom I think is that the vihuela could originally be played with a bow, a plectrum or finger style - to whit vihuela de arco vihuela de penola vihuela de mano. However "guitars" or instruments called "guitarra" seem to have existed alongside the vihuela and it is not altogether clear whether this was simply a vihuela with fewer strings or derived from a different prototype. Be that as it may, the present day classical guitar is probably not a direct descendent of the vihuela - because in between you get my good friend "the baroque guitar" which had only five courses and a re-entrant tuning and was all the rage in the 17th and early 18th century. About the middle of the 18th century someone had the bright idea of putting a sixth course on it - or back on it ...and the rest... as they say ...is history. Hope that's helpful and I don't spark off a whole correspndence from people who disagree with my "History of the guitar in a nutshell". Monica - Original Message - From: "Joshua Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Lineage of early Guitars Guys, I have read various sources on the web about the relation of the Vihuela to other stringed instruments. I am looking for information on the lineage of the modern Acoustic Guitars. I read on one site that the Vihuela was once a bowed instrument, is the Classical and Flamenco Guitars you see today direct relatives of the Vihuela, or are there other instruments that influenced them first? Josh -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 4:08 PM
[LUTE] Re: Lineage of early Guitars
Aside from octave stringing on the 4th and 5th cources, was not Francisco Gerau's tuning identical to strings 5 thru 1 of the "modern" guutar? Surely Gerau was not the first to use this non-reentrant tuning for the baroque guitar. Gary - Original Message - From: "Monica Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Joshua Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:12 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lineage of early Guitars This is really an impossible question short of writing a book on the subject. However - received wisdom I think is that the vihuela could originally be played with a bow, a plectrum or finger style - to whit vihuela de arco vihuela de penola vihuela de mano. However "guitars" or instruments called "guitarra" seem to have existed alongside the vihuela and it is not altogether clear whether this was simply a vihuela with fewer strings or derived from a different prototype. Be that as it may, the present day classical guitar is probably not a direct descendent of the vihuela - because in between you get my good friend "the baroque guitar" which had only five courses and a re-entrant tuning and was all the rage in the 17th and early 18th century. About the middle of the 18th century someone had the bright idea of putting a sixth course on it - or back on it ...and the rest... as they say ...is history. Hope that's helpful and I don't spark off a whole correspndence from people who disagree with my "History of the guitar in a nutshell". Monica - Original Message - From: "Joshua Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Lineage of early Guitars Guys, I have read various sources on the web about the relation of the Vihuela to other stringed instruments. I am looking for information on the lineage of the modern Acoustic Guitars. I read on one site that the Vihuela was once a bowed instrument, is the Classical and Flamenco Guitars you see today direct relatives of the Vihuela, or are there other instruments that influenced them first? Josh -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 4:08 PM
