[LUTE] Re: New nylgut and KF basses
Val- Thank you for sharing this with us; I have been very interested in the new nylgut, but last time I tried to purchase them, they were unavailable in the USA. First impression- I like the sound very much on all courses except the chanterelle- that one string sounds too bright, and out of character with all the rest. Your playing seems fine; comfortable, relaxed- full, but not pushing too hard. Maybe that lute wants a different string on the 1st course? The instrument for which I need the new nylgut is my Harris-Barber Chambure copy vihuela; it has a very rich but subdued sound (Compared to my lutes). Old white nylgut brings out its potential sound more aggressively than gut, but with enough richness and subtlety still part of the tone picture. However, the chanterelle seems to sing better with nylon. Comparing this instrument to your lute is probably inappropriate; an apples to oranges comparison- not only because it's vihuela vs. lute, but also mine has a doubled chanterelle. That one course was fabulous in gut, but for overall projection the instrument as a whole is better in the right synthetics- old Nylgut 2 - 4, KFG 5 6 w/ng octave on 6. Could you tell us your string length, string diameters tension, pitch standard? Thank you, Dan As an alternative to gut, I try new nylgut and basses Savarez KF on 5-6-7th courses, (for the basses, as Carlos Gonzales told us on the french lute list.) So the only wounded string left here is the 8th course bass (not used on this recording) I keep the old string, as it is now not to bright. Here for a try on two short pieces : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRmYvxgMMvg Val -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New nylgut and KF basses
One other obvious point I should have remembered; the recording process and what I hear on my computer may be distorting the true sound- maybe I'm all wrong about that 1st course- perhaps it must be heard in person. Too bad I can't pop over to your place anytime soon. I will be trying the NewNylgut on all courses if I ever get any. D -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New nylgut and KF basses
I think you're true about the chanterelle, I'll try another one later, this one its too thin I think. I'll give the references later in the evening (I'm busy preparing the meal now...) V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Daniel Winheld Envoyé : jeudi 17 février 2011 17:20 À : Sauvage Valéry Cc : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: New nylgut and KF basses One other obvious point I should have remembered; the recording process and what I hear on my computer may be distorting the true sound- maybe I'm all wrong about that 1st course- perhaps it must be heard in person. Too bad I can't pop over to your place anytime soon. I will be trying the NewNylgut on all courses if I ever get any. D -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New nylgut and KF basses
-Message d'origine- Could you tell us your string length, string diameters tension, pitch standard? Thank you, Dan Here are the infos : Strings : NNG (new nylgut Aquila) KF (Savarez KF) Lute string length 60 cm, A 440 The references of the KF are from luthier Carlos Gonzales (Spain) and for the NNG, calcul made by luthier Wolfgang Früh, in Paris. 1: NNG 38 (too thin I think I'll try 40 next time) tension = 3.33kg 2: NNG 48 t = 2.98 kg 3: NNG 64 t = 2.97 kg 4: NNG 79 t = 2.85 5 : KF 84, NNG 52 t = 2.43 , 2.77 (I'll try to change the 84 KF by the NNG next time) 6: KF 116, NNG 70 t = 2.60, 2.82 7: KF 127, NNG 79 t = 2.47, 2.85 8: Kurchner copper KN 5185, NNG 94 t = 2.76, 2.86 (will try to change the KN by a Savarez KF, but I'm afraid it will be too big fot the bridge and peg holes ???) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New nylgut and KF basses
Thanks for the info, I will compare it with the values usually used by lutenists here in Brazil and let you know about the possible deviations I may find! How do you like the sound of new nylgut compared to the old nylgut ? And compared to other strings? Thanks, Ernesto Em 17/02/2011, às 17:02, Sauvage Valéry escreveu: -Message d'origine- Could you tell us your string length, string diameters tension, pitch standard? Thank you, Dan Here are the infos : Strings : NNG (new nylgut Aquila) KF (Savarez KF) Lute string length 60 cm, A 440 The references of the KF are from luthier Carlos Gonzales (Spain) and for the NNG, calcul made by luthier Wolfgang Früh, in Paris. 1: NNG 38 (too thin I think I'll try 40 next time) tension = 3.33kg 2: NNG 48 t = 2.98 kg 3: NNG 64 t = 2.97 kg 4: NNG 79 t = 2.85 5 : KF 84, NNG 52 t = 2.43 , 2.77 (I'll try to change the 84 KF by the NNG next time) 6: KF 116, NNG 70 t = 2.60, 2.82 7: KF 127, NNG 79 t = 2.47, 2.85 8: Kurchner copper KN 5185, NNG 94 t = 2.76, 2.86 (will try to change the KN by a Savarez KF, but I'm afraid it will be too big fot the bridge and peg holes ???) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New nylgut and KF basses
-Message d'origine- I didn't know that KF went thicker than about .85 or .90, at .95 and thicker I only have KFG (carbon fiber gut) which I use on the vihuela 5th 6th course, and diapasons on the archlute. Is your KF clear, or somewhat off-white, almost beige in color and cloudy? Have fun with the new strings. Dan 84 is clear, 116 and 127 are cloudy (usually used for harps, but very nice as bourdons on lutes !!!) I'll try .42 and .40 and will tell here ;-) Val To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New nylgut and KF basses
On instruments with bridge and peg holes too small for heavier gauge strings, Val, I've found it an easy procedure to enlarge them with a small hobby drill. A very small drill that can be turned with the fingers, and accepts various size drills. On Feb 17, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Sauvage Valéry wrote: -Message d'origine- Could you tell us your string length, string diameters tension, pitch standard? Thank you, Dan Here are the infos : Strings : NNG (new nylgut Aquila) KF (Savarez KF) Lute string length 60 cm, A 440 The references of the KF are from luthier Carlos Gonzales (Spain) and for the NNG, calcul made by luthier Wolfgang Früh, in Paris. 1: NNG 38 (too thin I think I'll try 40 next time) tension = 3.33kg 2: NNG 48 t = 2.98 kg 3: NNG 64 t = 2.97 kg 4: NNG 79 t = 2.85 5 : KF 84, NNG 52 t = 2.43 , 2.77 (I'll try to change the 84 KF by the NNG next time) 6: KF 116, NNG 70 t = 2.60, 2.82 7: KF 127, NNG 79 t = 2.47, 2.85 8: Kurchner copper KN 5185, NNG 94 t = 2.76, 2.86 (will try to change the KN by a Savarez KF, but I'm afraid it will be too big fot the bridge and peg holes ???) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New nylgut and KF basses
You are probably talking about a pin vise, which is available from machinists supplies (and probably from Amazon.com). I've used an even simpler approach: wrap several turns of adhesive tape around the shaft of an appropriately sized drill. That's even skinnier than a pin vise and gives you enough grip to enlarge a bridge hole. Worked for me when I converted the basses on my Lundberg 8-course from wound strings to gimped gut. Guy -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Mast Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 1:14 PM To: Sauvage Valéry Cc: 'Daniel Winheld'; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: New nylgut and KF basses On instruments with bridge and peg holes too small for heavier gauge strings, Val, I've found it an easy procedure to enlarge them with a small hobby drill. A very small drill that can be turned with the fingers, and accepts various size drills. On Feb 17, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Sauvage Valéry wrote: -Message d'origine- Could you tell us your string length, string diameters tension, pitch standard? Thank you, Dan Here are the infos : Strings : NNG (new nylgut Aquila) KF (Savarez KF) Lute string length 60 cm, A 440 The references of the KF are from luthier Carlos Gonzales (Spain) and for the NNG, calcul made by luthier Wolfgang Früh, in Paris. 1: NNG 38 (too thin I think I'll try 40 next time) tension = 3.33kg 2: NNG 48 t = 2.98 kg 3: NNG 64 t = 2.97 kg 4: NNG 79 t = 2.85 5 : KF 84, NNG 52 t = 2.43 , 2.77 (I'll try to change the 84 KF by the NNG next time) 6: KF 116, NNG 70 t = 2.60, 2.82 7: KF 127, NNG 79 t = 2.47, 2.85 8: Kurchner copper KN 5185, NNG 94 t = 2.76, 2.86 (will try to change the KN by a Savarez KF, but I'm afraid it will be too big fot the bridge and peg holes ???) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New nylgut and KF basses
-Message d'origine- How do you like the sound of new nylgut compared to the old nylgut ? And compared to other strings? Thanks, Ernesto I like better the new ones, I find it warmer and less noisy under the fingers. Warmer too compare to the KF I used before. A little bit brighter than gut for the first courses (as said on another post, I'll try thicker chanterelle later) I think it is a good compromise to gut, with un-wounded basses. I'm waiting for loaded nylgut basses Mimmo is experiencing now... V. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
