[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
If you meant http://masaccio.livejournal.com then go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1711kupetzky.jpg RT - Original Message - From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" ; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > Maybe the painter was messing with us Or he originally did two identical > paintings only one of them had some errors we were supposed to spot. And > the > "correct" painting is hidden in an attic in Dusseldorf...Yeah that's it! > > Anyhow, Roman, You have a really cool picture on your video site of a > lautespieler (13 course/rider/reflex pegbox) with a great hat and coat. > Can > I get a larger format download of that? > Dale > - Original Message - > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:15 PM > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >>I am not 100% convinced. Mme Keyserlinck was not a run-of-the-mill cutie, >> but a noted virtuosa. >> RT >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "David Van Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >> "Roman >> Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:06 PM >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >>>I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an >>> instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini >>> sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we >>> probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top >>> course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 >>> courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: >>>>Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? >>>> Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string spacing >>>> to >>>>accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long >>>>fingerboard >>>>with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies and >>>>gentlemen. >>>> She's still cute. >>>> Dale >>>>- Original Message - >>>>From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>>"Dale >>>>Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM >>>>Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>> >>>> >>>>> There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. >>>>> RT >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM >>>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Okay, >>>>>>If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the >>>>>> string >>>>>> spacing compressed > toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not >>>>>> >>>>> from >>>>>> it. Just me? >>>>>>Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for >>>>>> 18th >>>>>> century west & central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step >>>>>> on >>>>>> anyone's toes here. Might be "the thing" for "air lute") >>>>>> Dale >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed >>>>>> Durbrow" >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM &
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
I have no idea which video site that may be. RT - Original Message - From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" ; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > Maybe the painter was messing with us Or he originally did two identical > paintings only one of them had some errors we were supposed to spot. And > the > "correct" painting is hidden in an attic in Dusseldorf...Yeah that's it! > > Anyhow, Roman, You have a really cool picture on your video site of a > lautespieler (13 course/rider/reflex pegbox) with a great hat and coat. > Can > I get a larger format download of that? > Dale > - Original Message - > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:15 PM > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >>I am not 100% convinced. Mme Keyserlinck was not a run-of-the-mill cutie, >> but a noted virtuosa. >> RT >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "David Van Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >> "Roman >> Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:06 PM >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >>>I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an >>> instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini >>> sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we >>> probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top >>> course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 >>> courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: >>>>Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? >>>> Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string spacing >>>> to >>>>accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long >>>>fingerboard >>>>with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies and >>>>gentlemen. >>>> She's still cute. >>>> Dale >>>>- Original Message - >>>>From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>>"Dale >>>>Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM >>>>Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>> >>>> >>>>> There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. >>>>> RT >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM >>>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Okay, >>>>>>If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the >>>>>> string >>>>>> spacing compressed > toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not >>>>>> >>>>> from >>>>>> it. Just me? >>>>>>Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for >>>>>> 18th >>>>>> century west & central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step >>>>>> on >>>>>> anyone's toes here. Might be "the thing" for "air lute") >>>>>> Dale >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed >>>>>> Durbrow" >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM >>>>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >&
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
Maybe the painter was messing with us Or he originally did two identical paintings only one of them had some errors we were supposed to spot. And the "correct" painting is hidden in an attic in Dusseldorf...Yeah that's it! Anyhow, Roman, You have a really cool picture on your video site of a lautespieler (13 course/rider/reflex pegbox) with a great hat and coat. Can I get a larger format download of that? Dale - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >I am not 100% convinced. Mme Keyserlinck was not a run-of-the-mill cutie, > but a noted virtuosa. > RT > > - Original Message - > From: "David Van Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > "Roman > Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:06 PM > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >>I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an >> instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini >> sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we >> probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top >> course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 >> courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. >> >> David >> >> >> At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: >>>Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? >>> Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string spacing >>> to >>>accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long >>>fingerboard >>>with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies and >>>gentlemen. >>> She's still cute. >>> Dale >>>- Original Message - >>>From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>"Dale >>>Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM >>>Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>> >>> >>>> There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. >>>> RT >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM >>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>> >>>> >>>>> Okay, >>>>>If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string >>>>> spacing compressed > toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not >>>>> >>>> from >>>>> it. Just me? >>>>>Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for >>>>> 18th >>>>> century west & central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step >>>>> on >>>>> anyone's toes here. Might be "the thing" for "air lute") >>>>> Dale >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM >>>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Dear List, >>>>>> I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful >>>>>> lady. >>>>>> I >>>>>> think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and >>>>>> the >>>>>> distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers >>>>>> of a >>>>>> young lady. >>>>>> do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are >>>>>> wound >>>>>> with copper? >>>>>> I counte
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
I am not 100% convinced. Mme Keyserlinck was not a run-of-the-mill cutie, but a noted virtuosa. RT - Original Message - From: "David Van Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an > instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini > sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we > probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top > course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 > courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. > > David > > > At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: >>Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? >> Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string spacing >> to >>accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long >>fingerboard >>with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies and >>gentlemen. >> She's still cute. >> Dale >>- Original Message - >>From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>"Dale >>Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM >>Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >>> There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. >>> RT >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>> >>> >>>> Okay, >>>>If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string >>>> spacing compressed > toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not >>>> >>> from >>>> it. Just me? >>>>Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for >>>> 18th >>>> century west & central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step >>>> on >>>> anyone's toes here. Might be "the thing" for "air lute") >>>> Dale >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM >>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear List, >>>>> I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful >>>>> lady. >>>>> I >>>>> think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the >>>>> distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers >>>>> of a >>>>> young lady. >>>>> do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are >>>>> wound >>>>> with copper? >>>>> I counted 13 frets - not unusual. >>>>> >>>>> regards from austria, >>>>> peter >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM >>>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for >>>>> reality.Which >>>>> makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. >>>>> Too >>>>> bad, >>>>> she's probably dead by now. >>>>> Dale >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "baroque lute list" >>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM >>>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside >>>>>> the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully >>>>>> upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, >>>>>> keeping >>>>>> the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. >>>>>> I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary >>>>>> Burwel. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> > > > -- > The Smokehouse, > 6 Whitwell Road, > Norwich, NR1 4HB > England. > > Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > >
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. David At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: >Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? > Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string spacing to >accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long fingerboard >with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies and >gentlemen. > She's still cute. > Dale >- Original Message - >From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dale >Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM >Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >> There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. >> RT >> - Original Message - >> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >>> Okay, >>>If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string >>> spacing compressed > toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not >> from >>> it. Just me? >>>Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for 18th >>> century west & central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step on >>> anyone's toes here. Might be "the thing" for "air lute") >>> Dale >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>> >>> >>>> Dear List, >>>> I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful >>>> lady. >>>> I >>>> think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the >>>> distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a >>>> young lady. >>>> do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound >>>> with copper? >>>> I counted 13 frets - not unusual. >>>> >>>> regards from austria, >>>> peter >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM >>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>> >>>> >>>> As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for >>>> reality.Which >>>> makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. Too >>>> bad, >>>> she's probably dead by now. >>>> Dale >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "baroque lute list" >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM >>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>> >>>> >>>>>I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside >>>>> the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully >>>>> upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping >>>>> the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. >>>>> I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary >>>>> Burwel. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
And a 13 or 14 fret neck on a coversion by Widhalm of a lute by Cocho now in Germanisches Nationalmuseum, Nuernberg, MI 55. David At 11:30 -0400 1/4/07, Roman Turovsky wrote: >There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. >RT >- Original Message - >From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM >Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >> Okay, >>If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string >> spacing compressed > toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not > from >> it. Just me? >>Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for 18th >> century west & central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step on >> anyone's toes here. Might be "the thing" for "air lute") > >Dale -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string spacing to accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long fingerboard with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies and gentlemen. She's still cute. Dale - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. > RT > - Original Message - > From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >> Okay, >> If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string >> spacing compressed > toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not > from >> it. Just me? >> Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for 18th >> century west & central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step on >> anyone's toes here. Might be "the thing" for "air lute") >>Dale >> - Original Message - >> From: "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >>> Dear List, >>> I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful >>> lady. >>> I >>> think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the >>> distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a >>> young lady. >>> do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound >>> with copper? >>> I counted 13 frets - not unusual. >>> >>> regards from austria, >>> peter >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>> >>> >>> As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for >>> reality.Which >>> makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. Too >>> bad, >>> she's probably dead by now. >>> Dale >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "baroque lute list" >>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>> >>> >>>>I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside >>>> the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully >>>> upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping >>>> the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. >>>> I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary >>>> Burwel. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > >
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. RT - Original Message - From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > Okay, > If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string > spacing compressed > toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not from > it. Just me? > Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for 18th > century west & central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step on > anyone's toes here. Might be "the thing" for "air lute") >Dale > - Original Message - > From: "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >> Dear List, >> I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful >> lady. >> I >> think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the >> distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a >> young lady. >> do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound >> with copper? >> I counted 13 frets - not unusual. >> >> regards from austria, >> peter >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >> As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for >> reality.Which >> makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. Too >> bad, >> she's probably dead by now. >> Dale >> - Original Message - >> From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "baroque lute list" >> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >>>I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside >>> the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully >>> upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping >>> the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. >>> I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary >>> Burwel. >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
Okay, If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string spacing compressed > toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > Dear List, > I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. > I > think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the > distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a > young lady. > do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound > with copper? > I counted 13 frets - not unusual. > > regards from austria, > peter > > - Original Message - > From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > > As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for > reality.Which > makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. Too > bad, > she's probably dead by now. > Dale > - Original Message - > From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "baroque lute list" > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >>I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside >> the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully >> upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping >> the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. >> I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary >> Burwel. >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > > > > > >
[LUTE] Re: Pesne
On Sunday 01 April 2007 11:38, you wrote: > Dear List, > I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. > I think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the > distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a > young lady. > do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound > with copper? > I counted 13 frets - not unusual. > > regards from austria, > peter > The red color could be from loaded gut strings (mercury or whatever) as can also be seen on the famous mouton painting, although antoine pesne is already late baroque, so perhaps wound strings are possible too. The right hand suggest a low string tension. Nice to see that this hand position is also used for these late baroque lutes. Interesting painting! Not just the lute, the silk dress is also painted very nice. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
Dear List, I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. I think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a young lady. do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound with copper? I counted 13 frets - not unusual. regards from austria, peter - Original Message - From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for reality.Which makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. Too bad, she's probably dead by now. Dale - Original Message - From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "baroque lute list" Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside > the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully > upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping > the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. > I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary > Burwel. > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: Pesne
On Mar 4, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Dale Young wrote: > As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for > reality.Which > makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. > Too bad, > she's probably dead by now. Oh shoot. You popped my fantasy bubble. :-) -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary Burwel. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Pesne
I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary Burwel. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
