[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But and others...
Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: There is a beautiful one too, for Charles de Gallot (1669) in the de Gallot guitar manuscript from the Bodleian Library, Oxford UK. You can hear it played by Thierry Meunier on the website of our ensemble "Le Trésor d'Orphée" : http://tresordorphee.free.fr/thm.htm Best, Jean-Marie === 12-02-2008 20:44:53 === Sounds lovely - even without the deep bass strings of a lute! Stuart Very enjoyable, Rob. Do you think (Baroque) guitar tombeaux (if that's the plural) have the same mesmeric effect as the lute ones? There is a beautiful one in Campion dedicated to M. de Maltot who apparently passed on to Campion the "Rule of octaves". Monica Stuart This one is very moving, and I hope you enjoy listening to it. I consider it a 'work in progress' recording. You can find it just above the photo of me holding the lute near the bottom of this page: http://www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm Cheers, Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 12-02-2008 Nˆ ¶‰è®‡ß¶¬–+-±ç¥ŠËb�ú+™«b¢v†Ûiÿü0ÁË j»f¢ëayÛ¿Á·?–ë^iÙ¢Ÿø§uìatml= No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1273 - Release Date: 12/02/2008 09:31
[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But and others...
I'm listening to the Lawes suite for two lutes from your website - VERY nice! I love those pieces but have never played them. I must get hold of the Gallot ms... Rob On 13/02/2008, Jean-Marie Poirier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you very much, Rob, for the kind words. Yes, that manuscript > (Oxford, Bodleian Lib. C. 94) is a huge source for seventeenth-century > guitar music. This Tombeau, a Sarabande at p. 128, is great and Thierry - > not I - does play it well. You can hear me play the lute on other pages of > our site, if you feel like it ;-)) > > I put the facsimile of the Tombeau here : > http://tresordorphee.free.fr/divers.htm ; sorry for the quality of the > scan but it conforms to the original Bodleian microfilm... > > All the best, > > Jean-Marie > > PS: by the way, in C94 , there are a few pieces by a "de Gallot d'Irlande" > with a celtic flavour you would probably appreciate ! > > === 12-02-2008 22:25:59 ==> > >Jean-Marie, > > > >That is VERY beautiful. I must get hold of this interesting manuscript. > And > >your playing is first-class. I loved it! > > > >Rob > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://poirierjm.free.fr > 13-02-2008 > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But
Hi Rob, Thanks a lot for the comprehensive information. I am very surprised both by the type of mics and bass strings you used. I never thought this type of Sony cheap ECM mics could give such a good results. Probably they work very well for recording plucked instruments or maybe you found a very good configuration for them. And the basses sound nice - not too long a sustain, a little bit similar to loaded gut, but clearer, more in tune ;-) I think I'll get them instead of my Savarez basses. Thanks again :-) Jaroslaw -Original Message- From: Rob MacKillop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:24 PM To: Jarosław Lipski Cc: baroque lute mailing list Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But Hi Jaroslaw, I have a cheap microphone, a stereo condenser by Sony, the *Sony ECM-MS907*. You can get them for around 50 UKpounds. It's the same as Martin Shepherd's. We also both use Nero Wave Editor which I use for chopping the ends off the files and adding reverb- this time I only added a little, but enough to bring out the natural resonance of the instrument. Martin found that the set up of mic and software did not work so well for him, so he bought the zoom and is getting great results. I'm just lucky that the mic works well with the stock soundcard which came with my Sony laptop. So I just put the mic straight into the laptop and add a touch of reverb. I'm not really into trying to make a CD-quality recording. I don't think there is an inexpensive way to do that. If I wanted to do a CD, I would pay to get it done professionally. However, the quality I get from spending 100 UK pounds is certainly good enough for mp3 downloads on a website. I use nylgut-core fundamentals, the D variety. Here is a list of measurements followed by their tensions (worked out by Martin): Nylgut 1. 46 2. 50 3. 62 4. 75 5. 91 6. 124D + 60 7. 140D + 68 8. 155D + 76 9. 165D + 82 10. 10. 185D + 91 11. 11. 210D + 100D Tensions for Nylgut 1 41 2 34.5 3 30 4 28 5 28.5 6 30 + 28.5 7 30 + 28.5 8 29.5 + 28.5 9 28 + 24 (midway between E and Eb) 10 29 + 28.5 11 30 + 27.5 Glad you like the sound! Rob On 12/02/2008, Jarosław Lipski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rob, > > De Visee sounds really nice even with nylgut. I wonder what you used for > bass fundamentals? Also the quality of the recording is very good. Curious > what mics did you used? No reverb added? > Anyway, thanks for sharing this piece with us. > I am glad your arm is fine :-) > Best wishes > > Jaroslaw > > -Original Message- > From: Rob MacKillop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:54 AM > To: Baroque-Lute > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Tombeau de du But > > I'd like to thank all those people who have written to me over the last > couple of weeks enquiring about my arm. I'm happy to report that it feels > 100 per cent fine. However, I'm not rushing back into playing for as many > hours as I can cram into the day, and restricting myself to half an hour > in > the morning and the same in the evening. > > This morning I managed to record on my Martin Shepherd 11c the beautiful > 'Tombeau de du But' by Robert de Visee. I think someone else on this list > asked the question: did anyone ever write a bad tombeau? I don't think so. > It seemed to bring out the best in them. This one is very moving, and I > hope > you enjoy listening to it. I consider it a 'work in progress' recording. > You > can find it just above the photo of me holding the lute near the bottom of > this page: http://www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm > > Cheers, > > Rob > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But
>Sony makes many good things, but not mikes :) One oft overlooked source of noise is the video camera. If it is a tape based recorder, remove the tape and record to a hard drive or to a laptop using the freeware HDVSPLIT. Windows moviemaker is easy to use for direct capture as well if you re not using HDV. Best $85 mic Studio Projects B1 Best Flash Recorder Fostex FR2 LE dt >After reading on your website what recorder and microphone you use, I got >the same, but with the Sony mic I get a horrible background hiss. Any idea >why? > > > > > >__ >D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" > http://www.doteasy.com > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But and others...
Jean-Marie, That is VERY beautiful. I must get hold of this interesting manuscript. And your playing is first-class. I loved it! Rob On 12/02/2008, Jean-Marie Poirier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There is a beautiful one too, for Charles de Gallot (1669) in the de > Gallot guitar manuscript from the Bodleian Library, Oxford UK. You can hear > it played by Thierry Meunier on the website of our ensemble "Le Tresor > d'Orphee" : http://tresordorphee.free.fr/thm.htm > > Best, > > Jean-Marie > -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But
Rob MacKillop wrote: 'Mesmeric' ...hmm...possibly. I don't know the Campion piece Monica mentioned, but the de Visee piece is certainly very beautiful. I'm quite scared of playing it as it is so hard to get right, physically and otherwise. I'll give it a try, Eugene. Can't promise a 'mesmeric' performance, but hopefully de Visee can sort that part out. Rob Maybe I didn't mean 'mesmeric'! I used to have a D-minor lute and wasn't ever really comfortable with pre-de Visee music - apart from a couple of tombeaux. One was by Dufaut, to Mr Blanrocher (or something like that) and the other was Le Tombeau de l'Enclos by V.G. What I was meaning to say is that you can get sort of mesmerised playing them, especially at a very, very slow pace. It's like your whole biological system slows down too. The guitar has many virtues but I can't imagine it could have the same effect. Stuart -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But and others...
There is a beautiful one too, for Charles de Gallot (1669) in the de Gallot guitar manuscript from the Bodleian Library, Oxford UK. You can hear it played by Thierry Meunier on the website of our ensemble "Le Trésor d'Orphée" : http://tresordorphee.free.fr/thm.htm Best, Jean-Marie === 12-02-2008 20:44:53 === > >> Very enjoyable, Rob. >> >> Do you think (Baroque) guitar tombeaux (if that's the plural) have the >> same mesmeric effect as the lute ones? > >There is a beautiful one in Campion dedicated to M. de Maltot who apparently >passed on to Campion the "Rule of octaves". > >Monica >> >> Stuart >> >> >>> This one is very moving, and I hope >>> you enjoy listening to it. I consider it a 'work in progress' recording. >>> You >>> can find it just above the photo of me holding the lute near the bottom >>> of >>> this page: http://www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> -- >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > >--- >Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. >Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 12-02-2008
[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But
Very enjoyable, Rob. Do you think (Baroque) guitar tombeaux (if that's the plural) have the same mesmeric effect as the lute ones? There is a beautiful one in Campion dedicated to M. de Maltot who apparently passed on to Campion the "Rule of octaves". Monica Stuart This one is very moving, and I hope you enjoy listening to it. I consider it a 'work in progress' recording. You can find it just above the photo of me holding the lute near the bottom of this page: http://www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm Cheers, Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But
At 05:54 AM 2/12/2008, Rob MacKillop wrote: >I'd like to thank all those people who have written to me over the last >couple of weeks enquiring about my arm. I'm happy to report that it feels >100 per cent fine. However, I'm not rushing back into playing for as many >hours as I can cram into the day, and restricting myself to half an hour in >the morning and the same in the evening. > >This morning I managed to record on my Martin Shepherd 11c the beautiful >'Tombeau de du But' by Robert de Visee. I think someone else on this list >asked the question: did anyone ever write a bad tombeau? I don't think so. >It seemed to bring out the best in them. This one is very moving, and I hope >you enjoy listening to it. I consider it a 'work in progress' recording. You >can find it just above the photo of me holding the lute near the bottom of >this page: http://www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm Very, very nice. I'm glad your recovery is coming along in a way that permits you to artfully execute such beautiful music. Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But
Rob MacKillop wrote: I'd like to thank all those people who have written to me over the last couple of weeks enquiring about my arm. I'm happy to report that it feels 100 per cent fine. However, I'm not rushing back into playing for as many hours as I can cram into the day, and restricting myself to half an hour in the morning and the same in the evening. This morning I managed to record on my Martin Shepherd 11c the beautiful 'Tombeau de du But' by Robert de Visee. I think someone else on this list asked the question: did anyone ever write a bad tombeau? I don't think so. It seemed to bring out the best in them. Very enjoyable, Rob. Do you think (Baroque) guitar tombeaux (if that's the plural) have the same mesmeric effect as the lute ones? Stuart This one is very moving, and I hope you enjoy listening to it. I consider it a 'work in progress' recording. You can find it just above the photo of me holding the lute near the bottom of this page: http://www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm Cheers, Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But
No. The Edirol is a self-standing recording device. I record upstairs, and my computer is downstairs. P.S. I've been meaning to comment on your lovely piece "La belle cecille" but just haven't gotten around to it yet. I shall soon. I hope you got lots of positive feedback on it. - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:59 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But Noisy computer fan perhaps? RT - Original Message - From: "Stephen Arndt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jaroslaw Lipski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Rob MacKillop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "baroque lute mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But After reading on your website what recorder and microphone you use, I got the same, but with the Sony mic I get a horrible background hiss. Any idea why? __ D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" http://www.doteasy.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But
Noisy computer fan perhaps? RT - Original Message - From: "Stephen Arndt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jaroslaw Lipski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Rob MacKillop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "baroque lute mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But After reading on your website what recorder and microphone you use, I got the same, but with the Sony mic I get a horrible background hiss. Any idea why? __ D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" http://www.doteasy.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But
Rob, Lutenists the world over breathed a sigh of relief upon learning that you have recovered from your injury and are making music again. You latest recording is breathtakingly beautiful. After reading on your website what recorder and microphone you use, I got the same, but with the Sony mic I get a horrible background hiss. Any idea why? I haven't tried the Nylgut D basses, but I did try the DE and thought they sounded horrible on my lute. I found that very strange since the Nylgut trebles sound so good that they are virtually indistinguishable from gut on this instrument. I tried to find a place to purchase the Nero Wave Editor separately from the other Nero software but could only find it packaged with a host of other things that I don't really want. Many of the websites that offered them at a better price seemed suspicious to me. Does anyone know where I can get the Nero Wave Editor all by itself? Thanks, Stephen Arndt - Original Message - From: "Rob MacKillop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jaroslaw Lipski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "baroque lute mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:23 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But Hi Jaroslaw, I have a cheap microphone, a stereo condenser by Sony, the *Sony ECM-MS907*. You can get them for around 50 UKpounds. It's the same as Martin Shepherd's. We also both use Nero Wave Editor which I use for chopping the ends off the files and adding reverb- this time I only added a little, but enough to bring out the natural resonance of the instrument. Martin found that the set up of mic and software did not work so well for him, so he bought the zoom and is getting great results. I'm just lucky that the mic works well with the stock soundcard which came with my Sony laptop. So I just put the mic straight into the laptop and add a touch of reverb. I'm not really into trying to make a CD-quality recording. I don't think there is an inexpensive way to do that. If I wanted to do a CD, I would pay to get it done professionally. However, the quality I get from spending 100 UK pounds is certainly good enough for mp3 downloads on a website. I use nylgut-core fundamentals, the D variety. Here is a list of measurements followed by their tensions (worked out by Martin): Nylgut 1. 46 2. 50 3. 62 4. 75 5. 91 6. 124D + 60 7. 140D + 68 8. 155D + 76 9. 165D + 82 10. 10. 185D + 91 11. 11. 210D + 100D Tensions for Nylgut 1 41 2 34.5 3 30 4 28 5 28.5 6 30 + 28.5 7 30 + 28.5 8 29.5 + 28.5 9 28 + 24 (midway between E and Eb) 10 29 + 28.5 11 30 + 27.5 Glad you like the sound! Rob On 12/02/2008, Jaros³aw Lipski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rob, De Visee sounds really nice even with nylgut. I wonder what you used for bass fundamentals? Also the quality of the recording is very good. Curious what mics did you used? No reverb added? Anyway, thanks for sharing this piece with us. I am glad your arm is fine :-) Best wishes Jaroslaw -Original Message- From: Rob MacKillop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:54 AM To: Baroque-Lute Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Tombeau de du But I'd like to thank all those people who have written to me over the last couple of weeks enquiring about my arm. I'm happy to report that it feels 100 per cent fine. However, I'm not rushing back into playing for as many hours as I can cram into the day, and restricting myself to half an hour in the morning and the same in the evening. This morning I managed to record on my Martin Shepherd 11c the beautiful 'Tombeau de du But' by Robert de Visee. I think someone else on this list asked the question: did anyone ever write a bad tombeau? I don't think so. It seemed to bring out the best in them. This one is very moving, and I hope you enjoy listening to it. I consider it a 'work in progress' recording. You can find it just above the photo of me holding the lute near the bottom of this page: http://www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm Cheers, Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But
Thanks for this, Rob - I'm glad to see you're back to playing, and playing so well. I didn't know this piece, so it's a real treat to hear it like this. The lute sounds as though it has developed, even in a couple of months. Best wishes, Martin Rob MacKillop wrote: I'd like to thank all those people who have written to me over the last couple of weeks enquiring about my arm. I'm happy to report that it feels 100 per cent fine. However, I'm not rushing back into playing for as many hours as I can cram into the day, and restricting myself to half an hour in the morning and the same in the evening. This morning I managed to record on my Martin Shepherd 11c the beautiful 'Tombeau de du But' by Robert de Visee. I think someone else on this list asked the question: did anyone ever write a bad tombeau? I don't think so. It seemed to bring out the best in them. This one is very moving, and I hope you enjoy listening to it. I consider it a 'work in progress' recording. You can find it just above the photo of me holding the lute near the bottom of this page: http://www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm Cheers, Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But
Very beautiful piece and excellent interpretation too ! This instrument and you sound great. Thanks for this fine mp3, Rob, and very best wishes for a total and fast recovery. Jean-Marie === 12-02-2008 11:54:02 === >This one is very moving, and I hope >you enjoy listening to it. I consider it a 'work in progress' recording. You >can find it just above the photo of me holding the lute near the bottom of >this page: http://www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm > >Cheers, > >Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 12-02-2008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But
Hi Mark, I prefer the sound of gut strings, but I am very dissatisfied with the current state of bass fundamentals and their tuning with their octave neighbours. In short, I got really fed up with playing out of tune. Experimenting with bass courses is an expensive pastime. Mimmo's new bass courses may be just what I am looking for, and I'll get around to checking them out sometime. In the meantime, it became a choice between playing in tune or playing with gut. I like the sound this particular instrument makes with this particular player with nylgut - the playing could be better! - and I was going carzy being out of tune on gut. Playing in tune was more important to me than playing with gut. I've made my choice for the moment, but will no doubt return to gut again in the future. Rob On 12/02/2008, Lute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Rob, > > Thanks fort the Mp3, enjoyed listening to that. > > I see that you have changed your stringing, would be interesting to know > the > background to that. > > All the best > Mark > > > -Ursprungliche Nachricht- > Von: Rob MacKillop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Februar 2008 11:54 > An: Lute List > Betreff: [LUTE] Tombeau de du But > > I'd like to thank all those people who have written to me over the last > couple of weeks enquiring about my arm. I'm happy to report that it feels > 100 per cent fine. However, I'm not rushing back into playing for as many > hours as I can cram into the day, and restricting myself to half an hour > in > the morning and the same in the evening. > > This morning I managed to record on my Martin Shepherd 11c the beautiful > 'Tombeau de du But' by Robert de Visee. I think someone else on this list > asked the question: did anyone ever write a bad tombeau? I don't think so. > It seemed to bring out the best in them. This one is very moving, and I > hope > you enjoy listening to it. I consider it a 'work in progress' recording. > You > can find it just above the photo of me holding the lute near the bottom of > this page: http://www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm > > Cheers, > > Rob > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > --
[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de du But
Dear Rob, Thanks fort the Mp3, enjoyed listening to that. I see that you have changed your stringing, would be interesting to know the background to that. All the best Mark -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Rob MacKillop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Februar 2008 11:54 An: Lute List Betreff: [LUTE] Tombeau de du But I'd like to thank all those people who have written to me over the last couple of weeks enquiring about my arm. I'm happy to report that it feels 100 per cent fine. However, I'm not rushing back into playing for as many hours as I can cram into the day, and restricting myself to half an hour in the morning and the same in the evening. This morning I managed to record on my Martin Shepherd 11c the beautiful 'Tombeau de du But' by Robert de Visee. I think someone else on this list asked the question: did anyone ever write a bad tombeau? I don't think so. It seemed to bring out the best in them. This one is very moving, and I hope you enjoy listening to it. I consider it a 'work in progress' recording. You can find it just above the photo of me holding the lute near the bottom of this page: http://www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm Cheers, Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
