[LUTE] Re: lion

2009-07-31 Thread David van Ooijen
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Bernd Haegemann wrote:
> Does the collected wisdom have some idea abot lute
> pieces connected with lions?

Daphne comes to mind: 'lion nor tigers doth thee follow'

I can send you music and text if you like.

Is there a lion in the song of songs?



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> NOT the intabulation of "The lion sleeps tonight" by
> Johan Anton Löwi.
>
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> Bernd
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[LUTE] Re: lion

2009-07-31 Thread David van Ooijen
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Peter Nightingale wrote:
>> Is there a lion in the song of songs?
>
> If they are home there might be several:
>
>  Song of Solomon 4:8 (King James Version)
>
>  Come with me from Lebanon, my spouse, with me from Lebanon: look from
>  the top of Amana, from the top of Shenir and Hermon, from the lions'
>  dens, from the mountains of the leopards.

Daniel! You can play all of Ludus Danielus.

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[LUTE] Re: lion

2009-07-31 Thread Mathias Rösel
>>> Is there a lion in the song of songs?

> > If they are home there might be several:
> >
> >  Song of Solomon 4:8 (King James Version)
> >
> >  Come with me from Lebanon, my spouse, with me from Lebanon: look from
> >  the top of Amana, from the top of Shenir and Hermon, from the lions'
> >  dens, from the mountains of the leopards.

> Daniel! You can play all of Ludus Danielus.

So it was a dance? (Dan. 6)
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[LUTE] Re: lion

2009-07-31 Thread Peter Martin
   "The lion in the lute" is a striking image from Wallace Stevens' poem
   The Blue Guitar, inspired by Picasso, and the inspiration for Michael
   Tippett's sonata The Blue Guitar for solo guitar.  I don't think the
   sonata would quite work on lute, though
   P

   2009/7/31 Bernd Haegemann <[1...@symbol4.de>

 Does the collected wisdom have some idea abot lute
 pieces connected with lions?
 NOT the intabulation of "The lion sleeps tonight" by
 Johan Anton Loewi.
 thanks!
 Bernd
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[LUTE] Re: lion

2009-08-01 Thread David van Ooijen
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM, "Mathias
Rösel" wrote:
>> Daniel! You can play all of Ludus Danielus.
>
> So it was a dance? (Dan. 6)

Medieval version of the Lion King.

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[LUTE] Re: lion

2009-08-01 Thread Mathias Rösel
"David van Ooijen"  schrieb:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM, "Mathias
> Rösel" wrote:
> >> Daniel! You can play all of Ludus Danielus.
> >
> > So it was a dance? (Dan. 6)
> 
> Medieval version of the Lion King.

The main prob with this MedMus was the curtain (Dan. 6:18), certainly?
That's when Babylonian luters would enter the stage, I suppose.
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[LUTE] Re: lion

2009-08-01 Thread David van Ooijen
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:44 AM, "Mathias
Rösel" wrote:
> "David van Ooijen"  schrieb:
>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM, "Mathias
>> Rösel" wrote:
>> >> Daniel! You can play all of Ludus Danielus.
>> >
>> > So it was a dance? (Dan. 6)
>>
>> Medieval version of the Lion King.
>
> The main prob with this MedMus was the curtain (Dan. 6:18), certainly?
> That's when Babylonian luters would enter the stage, I suppose.

I had to look that up:

Then the king went to his palace, and passed the night fasting;
neither were instruments of musick brought before him: and his sleep
went from him.

Tuning Babylonion luters, perhaps, as the score will say Liuto Tacet, surely?

I played the Ludus Danielus year ago. Can't remember any of us dressed
up as lions, though.

David


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[LUTE] Re: lion

2009-08-01 Thread Sauvage Valéry
There is a medieval song : Ja nuns hons pris , by King Richard "Lion
Heart"... Could be arranged for lute...
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[LUTE] Re: lion

2009-08-01 Thread David van Ooijen
2009/8/1 Sauvage Valéry :
> There is a medieval song : Ja nuns hons pris , by King Richard "Lion
> Heart"... Could be arranged for lute...

Very good! Didn't Blondel de Nesle sing for Richard? Here's the myth
in the Wikipedia version:

"...after Richard I of England was arrested and held for ransom in
1192, he was found by the minstrel Blondel, whom he saw from his
window, and to whom he sang a verse of a song they both knew. Later
versions of the story related that Blondel went from castle to castle,
singing a particular song that only he and Richard knew, and that the
imprisoned Richard replied with the second verse - thus identifying
where he was imprisoned."

There are some _beautiful_ songs by Blondel. I arranged his 'L'Amour
dont sui espris' as a lute solo.

David

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[LUTE] Re: lion

2009-08-01 Thread Mathias Rösel
> >> >> Daniel! You can play all of Ludus Danielus.

> >> > So it was a dance? (Dan. 6)

> >> Medieval version of the Lion King.

> > The main prob with this MedMus was the curtain (Dan. 6:18), certainly?
> > That's when Babylonian luters would enter the stage, I suppose.

What I had in mind was this. "And a stone was brought, and laid upon the
mouth of the den; and the king sealed it with his own signet, and with
the signet of his lords; that nothing might be changed concerning
Daniel." (Dan. 6:18 http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt3406.htm )

> Tuning Babylonion luters, perhaps, as the score will say Liuto Tacet, surely?

Quickly tuning like Francesco da Milano was tuning, I imagine, as Daniel
later eplains what happened to him and the lions (6:23). BTW Babylonian
was my fault, should read Persian, as Darius is the related king.

> I played the Ludus Danielus year ago. Can't remember any of us dressed
> up as lions, though.

Ludus Danielis, that is? This one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj_K1zxJ_gM or rather this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWjlrRLUOoQ ?
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[LUTE] Re: lion

2009-08-01 Thread Mathias Rösel
> Ludus Danielis, that is? This one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgBa6oS7vNw ?



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[LUTE] Re: lion

2009-08-01 Thread David van Ooijen
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:56 AM, "Mathias
Rösel" wrote:
>> >> >> Daniel! You can play all of Ludus Danielus.
>
>> >> > So it was a dance? (Dan. 6)
>
>> >> Medieval version of the Lion King.
>
>> > The main prob with this MedMus was the curtain (Dan. 6:18), certainly?
>> > That's when Babylonian luters would enter the stage, I suppose.
>
> What I had in mind was this. "And a stone was brought, and laid upon the
> mouth of the den; and the king sealed it with his own signet, and with
> the signet of his lords; that nothing might be changed concerning
> Daniel." (Dan. 6:18 http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt3406.htm )

My numbering is different! (King James, 1847 edition) In my Dutch
Bible it's like you said. Wow, I had no idea there were differences.

> was my fault, should read Persian, as Darius is the related king.

Babylonian mix up of words, no doubt.


> Ludus Danielis, that is?

I stand corrected. I just found my music (20 years ago ...). including
a cheating score I hid behind a stage prop. I'm lousy at playing by
heart ...

Thanks for all the clips, the one from the Harp Consort comes closest.

David
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