[LUTE] Re: nylglut strings advice wanted
Stuart, you can find advice at Aquila FAQ; but I will copy the relevant texts. Anthony http://www.aquilacorde.com/faqi.htm FAQ Aquila 26) What is Nylgut and why is it white? "In theory a gut string and a Nylgut one should have the same diameter. But since nylgut is quite 'stretchy' we advise using a slightly thicker diameter. Pull carefully but resolutely and repeatedly the string with your fingers while tuning it for the first time (see faq 31). Concerning the 'cutting effect' follow the suggestions given for gut strings at faq 20. " (I suppose the diameter should be chosen as for Venice, which is also stretchy: "Because of its nature a Venice string stretches noticeably more than a regular high twist string, which leads, under equal stress, to a somewhat thinner diameter. Hence the necessity to use a thicker starting diameter: under working stress it will settle to a diameter similar to that of a regular string's and will eventually lead to the same working tension. In practice the correct diameter of an equivalent Venice string is obtained by multiplying the plain high twist string diameter by 1.07. ") 31) What should I do when I put a new string on? Once checked that all points of contact are smooth and free from sharp edges, when tuning a string for the first time, pull it with your fingers until it stays in tune: moderately the trebles and wound strings but with a bit more energy the thicker ones. This applies to both gut and synthetic strings, especially to Nylgut: AH Le 22 févr. 09 à 11:27, Stuart Walsh a écrit : I'm about to try out some nylglut strings. I seem to remember someone saying that you should only get them partially in tension at first, then leave them for a while and then very slowly get them to pitch. Any advice? Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: nylglut strings advice wanted
Hi, all, While I'm certainly not one of the string nerds, and I don't remember who gave that advice, I find that it's helpful, indeed necessitated, by the behavior of the strings, to follow that advice with any nylon strings. I frankly don't know how the new-strings-every-two-weeks classical guitarists put up with it. Personally, I just cultivate an appreciation of old-string tone. However, I wouldn't say "very slowly", at least not by my standards. A couple of days, I'd say. I usually bring them to a tone or so low, let them sit overnight, then bring them to pitch. I also have to repeat the last step several times before they're stable. As I implied above, though, it doesn't happen very often. Good luck, Chris. >>> Stuart Walsh 2/22/2009 5:27 AM >>> I'm about to try out some nylglut strings. I seem to remember someone saying that you should only get them partially in tension at first, then leave them for a while and then very slowly get them to pitch. Any advice? Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: nylglut strings advice wanted
Stuart-- I problem I've found with nylgut is that it seems to remain elastic throughout its life. That is, if you should lose significant tension due to something like peg slippage, you'll be starting all over again in getting the string up to a stable pitch. One thing I like about gut is that it is quick in attaining pitch and easy to regain stable pitch. Regards, Leonard Williams /[ ] / \ | * | \_=_/ On 2/22/09 8:56 AM, "Christopher Stetson" wrote: > Hi, all, > While I'm certainly not one of the string nerds, and I don't remember who gave > that advice, I find that it's helpful, indeed necessitated, by the behavior of > the strings, to follow that advice with any nylon strings. I frankly don't > know how the new-strings-every-two-weeks classical guitarists put up with it. > Personally, I just cultivate an appreciation of old-string tone. > However, I wouldn't say "very slowly", at least not by my standards. A couple > of days, I'd say. I usually bring them to a tone or so low, let them sit > overnight, then bring them to pitch. I also have to repeat the last step > several times before they're stable. > As I implied above, though, it doesn't happen very often. > Good luck, > Chris. > Stuart Walsh 2/22/2009 5:27 AM >>> > I'm about to try out some nylglut strings. I seem to remember someone > saying that you should only get them partially in tension at first, then > leave them for a while and then very slowly get them to pitch. > Any advice? > > Stuart > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
[LUTE] Re: nylglut strings advice wanted
Leonard Williams wrote: Stuart-- I problem I've found with nylgut is that it seems to remain elastic throughout its life. That is, if you should lose significant tension due to something like peg slippage, you'll be starting all over again in getting the string up to a stable pitch. One thing I like about gut is that it is quick in attaining pitch and easy to regain stable pitch. Regards, Leonard Williams /[ ] / \ | * | \_=_/ Thanks - and to all who all have offered advice. Stuart On 2/22/09 8:56 AM, "Christopher Stetson" wrote: Hi, all, While I'm certainly not one of the string nerds, and I don't remember who gave that advice, I find that it's helpful, indeed necessitated, by the behavior of the strings, to follow that advice with any nylon strings. I frankly don't know how the new-strings-every-two-weeks classical guitarists put up with it. Personally, I just cultivate an appreciation of old-string tone. However, I wouldn't say "very slowly", at least not by my standards. A couple of days, I'd say. I usually bring them to a tone or so low, let them sit overnight, then bring them to pitch. I also have to repeat the last step several times before they're stable. As I implied above, though, it doesn't happen very often. Good luck, Chris. Stuart Walsh 2/22/2009 5:27 AM >>> I'm about to try out some nylglut strings. I seem to remember someone saying that you should only get them partially in tension at first, then leave them for a while and then very slowly get them to pitch. Any advice? Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1964 - Release Date: 02/21/09 11:05:00
[LUTE] Re: nylglut strings advice wanted
Well Leonard, I have had my lutes strung in nylgut since 2000. After the first two weeks of any new string I have fitted, they have been stable. All the elasticity has gone out of them and they are 'stretched-out'. They behave as any other music string, where the tautness defines the pitch. I use an electronic-tuner and rarely have I needed to re-tune nylgut strings. Once a month I might check all the strings, but they rarely need any adjustment. This would indicate there is no loss from stretch (elasticity). The only effect seems to be temperature change from cold to warm. It gradually tightens the copper-wound strings. I just tweak them down by ear until they are in tune with the octaves. The opposite thing then happens when the temperature drops, the copper wounds then need to be tweaked up to the octaves. Which is saying the plain nylguts are unaffected by changes in temperature. Indoors here I have probably a minimum of 13C overnight, to maximum of 22C during the day. If I only play at one certain time - e.g., evening, there is no change in the tuning from the same time the day before. Is this something others experience? Ron UK -Original Message- From: Stuart Walsh [mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com] Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:21 PM To: Leonard Williams Cc: Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: nylglut strings advice wanted Leonard Williams wrote: > Stuart-- > I problem I've found with nylgut is that it seems to remain elastic > throughout its life. That is, if you should lose significant tension due to > something like peg slippage, you'll be starting all over again in getting > the string up to a stable pitch. One thing I like about gut is that it is > quick in attaining pitch and easy to regain stable pitch. > > Regards, > Leonard Williams > >/[ ] >/ \ > | * | > \_=_/ > > > Thanks - and to all who all have offered advice. Stuart > On 2/22/09 8:56 AM, "Christopher Stetson" wrote: > > >> Hi, all, >> While I'm certainly not one of the string nerds, and I don't remember who gave >> that advice, I find that it's helpful, indeed necessitated, by the behavior of >> the strings, to follow that advice with any nylon strings. I frankly don't >> know how the new-strings-every-two-weeks classical guitarists put up with it. >> Personally, I just cultivate an appreciation of old-string tone. >> However, I wouldn't say "very slowly", at least not by my standards. A couple >> of days, I'd say. I usually bring them to a tone or so low, let them sit >> overnight, then bring them to pitch. I also have to repeat the last step >> several times before they're stable. >> As I implied above, though, it doesn't happen very often. >> Good luck, >> Chris. >> >> >>>>> Stuart Walsh 2/22/2009 5:27 AM >>> >>>>> >> I'm about to try out some nylglut strings. I seem to remember someone >> saying that you should only get them partially in tension at first, then >> leave them for a while and then very slowly get them to pitch. >> Any advice? >> >> Stuart >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1964 - Release Date: 02/21/09 11:05:00 > >
