[LUTE] Re: tuners
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Garry Warber garrywar...@hughes.net wrote: Anyone know of an electronic tuner that calibrates to a=392? I have a turbotuner (http://www.turbo-tuner.com/pages/features.htm). A4 can be set anywhere between 220hz and 880hz. You can put your own temperaments into it, set up open tunings for any instrument you please. I have tunings for my viols (including the 7-string) and when I was playing the theorboed LSO at Uconn set two presets, one for the lute open strings, and another for the diapasons. It responds well to lute strings when left on the floor, unless everyone else is playing. Then, any small electret mic (like you can get at radio shack, if they haven't gone totally decadent again) with a 1/4 plug or adapter held near the lute top does a pretty good job of discriminating. ray To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tuners
On Sat, 6 Aug 2011 17:02:07 -0400, William Brohinsky wrote lute@cs.dartmouth.edu On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Garry Warber garrywar...@hughes.net wrote: Anyone know of an electronic tuner that calibrates to a=392? I have a turbotuner (http://www.turbo-tuner.com/pages/features.htm). A4 can be set anywhere between 220hz and 880hz. You can put your own temperaments into it, set up open tunings for any instrument you please. I have tunings for my viols (including the 7-string) and when I was playing the theorboed LSO at Uconn set two presets, one for the lute open strings, and another for the diapasons. It responds well to lute strings when left on the floor, unless everyone else is playing. Then, any small electret mic (like you can get at radio shack, if they haven't gone totally decadent again) with a 1/4 plug or adapter held near the lute top does a pretty good job of discriminating. Yes, an awfully nice tuner - but unfortunately the ST-122 is Out of stock until further notice for at least a year now. Too bad. Cheers, RalfD ray To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- R. Mattes - Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de
[LUTE] Re: tuners
Cleartune, Works nice on my Ipad and Iphone. http://www.bitcount.com/cleartune/ 2011/8/6 Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp: I have a V-SAM too. It also has two user temperament spots. I have one set at G 6th comma mean tone and another at A 6th comma mean tone for Ren lutes. I believe the Violab is sound only where the V-sam can do meter or tone as well as metronome. It isn't perfect though. On Aug 5, 2011, at 11:21 PM, Charles Browne wrote: I use a Peterson Strobe tuner -the V-SAM which only adjusts down to 410 but it also has a control system that allows you to transpose the displayed note by semitones. If I am tuning a 10c lute where the top string is tuned to F (a' = 44hz) by adjusting the transposing knob down by 2 semitones the output will then appear 2 semitones higher and it appears that I am tuning a lute in G. The transposition setting remains until the tuner is turned off or the transposition is corrected. Charles Browne [1]char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [2]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [3]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. mailto:char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk 2. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
[LUTE] Re: tuners
If you are iPhone or iPad user, Cleartune - Chromatic Tuner is available. This application allows you to set A = 392Hz. http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com/2011/08/cleartune-chromatic-tuner.html http://www.bitcount.com/cleartune/features.html * Toshiaki Kakinami E-mail : tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp Blog : http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com * -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Garry Warber Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 7:16 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] tuners Anyone know of an electronic tuner that calibrates to a=392? My KORG does a=415, but only drops to 410... I have found a couple that allow you to calibrate some flats, which the vendor says would do the same thing, but one that calibrates to 392 would ease my suspicions. Garry -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tuners
Fantastic, the cleartune chromatic tuner - gives you a choice of temperaments with a chosen key, very precise and dependable, besides being handily availlable in the iphone... Em 05/08/2011, às 09:07, T.Kakinami escreveu: If you are iPhone or iPad user, Cleartune - Chromatic Tuner is available. This application allows you to set A = 392Hz. http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com/2011/08/cleartune-chromatic-tuner.html http://www.bitcount.com/cleartune/features.html * Toshiaki Kakinami E-mail : tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp Blog : http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com * -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Garry Warber Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 7:16 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] tuners Anyone know of an electronic tuner that calibrates to a=392? My KORG does a=415, but only drops to 410... I have found a couple that allow you to calibrate some flats, which the vendor says would do the same thing, but one that calibrates to 392 would ease my suspicions. Garry -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tuners
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:07:38 +0900, T.Kakinami wrote If you are iPhone or iPad user, Cleartune - Chromatic Tuner is available. This application allows you to set A = 392Hz. Or any Android system. The price of a cheaper Android system plus ClearTune might be cheaper than a fancy traditional tuner box. Cheers, Ralf Mattes http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com/2011/08/cleartune-chromatic-tuner.html http://www.bitcount.com/cleartune/features.html * Toshiaki Kakinami E-mail : tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp Blog : http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com * -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Garry Warber Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 7:16 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] tuners Anyone know of an electronic tuner that calibrates to a=392? My KORG does a=415, but only drops to 410... I have found a couple that allow you to calibrate some flats, which the vendor says would do the same thing, but one that calibrates to 392 would ease my suspicions. Garry -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- R. Mattes - Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de
[LUTE] Re: tuners
Violab tuner will give you al the different a pitches you want and in 10+ different tunings. r -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Garry Warber Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 6:16 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] tuners Anyone know of an electronic tuner that calibrates to a=392? My KORG does a=415, but only drops to 410... I have found a couple that allow you to calibrate some flats, which the vendor says would do the same thing, but one that calibrates to 392 would ease my suspicions. Garry -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tuners
I use a Peterson Strobe tuner -the V-SAM which only adjusts down to 410 but it also has a control system that allows you to transpose the displayed note by semitones. If I am tuning a 10c lute where the top string is tuned to F (a' = 44hz) by adjusting the transposing knob down by 2 semitones the output will then appear 2 semitones higher and it appears that I am tuning a lute in G. The transposition setting remains until the tuner is turned off or the transposition is corrected. Charles Browne char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tuners + Loaded
William I agree with what you say. I have just measured several Duracell batteries, and I see that those dated up to March 2007, with black bases, still fit the Turbo, but the new ones dated 2012, with a blue base, no longer do. However, this would not be a problem if the space as you suggest was larger than necessary, but with support coming from a spongy material. Also the clip on back plate, is a little flimsy, and I fear forcing it closed would dammage the side spigots. As this is an excellent tool, it is a pity that it falls down on this issue. Anthony Le 8 oct. 08 à 17:25, William Brohinsky a écrit : Anthony, Your comments on differences in 9v batteries are well noted: recently my daughter and I had the pleasure of playing pennywhistles and bodhran for Robin Mark, who tours the US doing his Christian/Irish music with 'pickup bands'. When he arrived for our practice (already 2 hours late because of traffic on the Massachusetts toll road) he spent all the time before he had to go teach a seminar messing with his guitar's built-in amplifier. It also uses a 9-volt battery, and he found that the American Duracell batteries were smaller than his European batteries, which had bent the contacts further from the holder box. Someone went out and found fatter batteries here (I didn't see the brand) which pressed their terminals 'properly' against the contacts. It makes me wonder if maybe TurboTuner folk wouldn't like a heads-up on the matter. Personally, I prefer the 9volt battery terminals which clamp right on the terminals and hang on a length of wire, with a holding strategy of a space with some foam, which is immune to the variability of battery manufacturer's physical specs. Ray On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must state that Turbo tuner, through Ralf Johnson has immediately replied that although US Duracell are slightly larger than Energizers, they do not present any problem for the T-122. He supposes that the European variant might be larger. In fact, I have tried several, and some do fit, even if rather tightly. It seems that tollerance in the production of these batteries is not close. I will just avoid Duracell, in the future. Nevertheless, I thought I should mention this problem to potential users. Anthony Le 8 oct. 08 à 16:14, Anthony Hind a écrit : Dear William and All I am also enjoying the T-122. In general, it is far easier to use, when you are thoroughly accustomed to it than the Korg OT-12. However, I have just encountered a problem concerning the battery holder. It seems that all 9v 6LR61 batteries are not equal. Duracell Plus are fatter (deeper) than Energizer, for example, and when I replaced the Energizer with a Duracell, I could not close the cover. I suppose the T-122 has been made with a particular battery in mind. This is unfortunate, as it slightly mars a good tuner. Another slight problem for me is that you do have to remember combinations of keys to reset the reference frequency, temperaments, etc; and in this it seems to use the dreaded mobile phone, as its model. I am definitely mobile-phone challenged, and thus have to keep the manual close to hand. However, most of you just won't have this problem. There is just one other gripe that I have: the tuner allows you to preset open strings for a number of instruments, but it is not possible to simultaneously memorize the open strings, the reference frequency, and the temperament, that you are most likely to use with that instrument. Both these last have to be set independently. You also have to scroll through all the precoded instruments until you get to the one you need. There is no short-cut available, using a number letter or whatever. David Tayler, I htink it was, suggested that the Korg should always be used, when ever possible, with the note out-put mode switched on, just to practice tuning by ear. This does not seem to be available on the T-122. I still tend to use the Korg when I am completely restringing my lutes, but this may be part of the learning process. However, for every day use, the T-122 is so much more accurate, and once you are used to the strobe, which initially is off putting, it is so much more intuitive. This is the first Turbo Tuner model (to my knowledge), so some of these minor problems (for this user) may disappear in the next version. It is still an excellent tuner that should surely be judged by how well the lute sounds after tuning. Although the difference in accuracy with the Korg is beyond most human hearing, when applied to a single string. It does seem to me that the effect can be accumulative. I suppose this has something to do with sympathetic resonances between strings. I seem to remember having read, in a message to this list, something to the effect, that absolute accuracy is not relevant to the lute, as one may want to compensate, by
[LUTE] Re: tuners + Loaded
I must state that Turbo tuner, through Ralf Johnson has immediately replied that although US Duracell are slightly larger than Energizers, they do not present any problem for the T-122. He supposes that the European variant might be larger. In fact, I have tried several, and some do fit, even if rather tightly. It seems that tollerance in the production of these batteries is not close. I will just avoid Duracell, in the future. Nevertheless, I thought I should mention this problem to potential users. Anthony Le 8 oct. 08 à 16:14, Anthony Hind a écrit : Dear William and All I am also enjoying the T-122. In general, it is far easier to use, when you are thoroughly accustomed to it than the Korg OT-12. However, I have just encountered a problem concerning the battery holder. It seems that all 9v 6LR61 batteries are not equal. Duracell Plus are fatter (deeper) than Energizer, for example, and when I replaced the Energizer with a Duracell, I could not close the cover. I suppose the T-122 has been made with a particular battery in mind. This is unfortunate, as it slightly mars a good tuner. Another slight problem for me is that you do have to remember combinations of keys to reset the reference frequency, temperaments, etc; and in this it seems to use the dreaded mobile phone, as its model. I am definitely mobile-phone challenged, and thus have to keep the manual close to hand. However, most of you just won't have this problem. There is just one other gripe that I have: the tuner allows you to preset open strings for a number of instruments, but it is not possible to simultaneously memorize the open strings, the reference frequency, and the temperament, that you are most likely to use with that instrument. Both these last have to be set independently. You also have to scroll through all the precoded instruments until you get to the one you need. There is no short-cut available, using a number letter or whatever. David Tayler, I htink it was, suggested that the Korg should always be used, when ever possible, with the note out-put mode switched on, just to practice tuning by ear. This does not seem to be available on the T-122. I still tend to use the Korg when I am completely restringing my lutes, but this may be part of the learning process. However, for every day use, the T-122 is so much more accurate, and once you are used to the strobe, which initially is off putting, it is so much more intuitive. This is the first Turbo Tuner model (to my knowledge), so some of these minor problems (for this user) may disappear in the next version. It is still an excellent tuner that should surely be judged by how well the lute sounds after tuning. Although the difference in accuracy with the Korg is beyond most human hearing, when applied to a single string. It does seem to me that the effect can be accumulative. I suppose this has something to do with sympathetic resonances between strings. I seem to remember having read, in a message to this list, something to the effect, that absolute accuracy is not relevant to the lute, as one may want to compensate, by ear, for the slight intonation problems due to the differences in thickness and pliability of diapasons versus octaves and treble strings. Surely, nothing would prevent a lutenist from slightly detuning (by ear) once the open strings are tuned to compensate for this (if necessary). In relation to this problem, Gregory Gordon (Lute News Number 79, p. 14) mentions a letter from Chris Coakley stating that bass strings are less stretchy than trebles, and so the pitch-distorting effects of both plucking and pressing down the string on the fret are greater on the bass side. I don't know whether tuning by ear can better help compensate for this sort of difference; however, since I have adopted loaded strings, this bass/treble difference seems far less of a problem. Loaded strings, have quite a thin stretchy Venice core, and I think these two qualities makes them behave closer to the mid Venice strings: their Venice flexibility means that their true vibrating length should be almost identical to that of the other Venice mid strings (which does not seem to be true of either thick bass gut, or for stiff wirewounds); while their high density means that they are only slightly thicker than the Venice mid strings. There is of course a difference in this respect, in relation to trebles and octaves, but it is much less significant than with thick pure gut. As a result the intonation problems implied by G. G. between basses, trebles and octaves, are barely an issue with these strings. Although I can't prove this, I have the intuition that better overall sympathetic behaviour results from using them, and this gives greater sustain, to all voices (not just to the loaded basses). If this is so, then the accumulative effect of perfect tuning via
[LUTE] Re: tuners + Loaded
Dear William and All I am also enjoying the T-122. In general, it is far easier to use, when you are thoroughly accustomed to it than the Korg OT-12. However, I have just encountered a problem concerning the battery holder. It seems that all 9v 6LR61 batteries are not equal. Duracell Plus are fatter (deeper) than Energizer, for example, and when I replaced the Energizer with a Duracell, I could not close the cover. I suppose the T-122 has been made with a particular battery in mind. This is unfortunate, as it slightly mars a good tuner. Another slight problem for me is that you do have to remember combinations of keys to reset the reference frequency, temperaments, etc; and in this it seems to use the dreaded mobile phone, as its model. I am definitely mobile-phone challenged, and thus have to keep the manual close to hand. However, most of you just won't have this problem. There is just one other gripe that I have: the tuner allows you to preset open strings for a number of instruments, but it is not possible to simultaneously memorize the open strings, the reference frequency, and the temperament, that you are most likely to use with that instrument. Both these last have to be set independently. You also have to scroll through all the precoded instruments until you get to the one you need. There is no short-cut available, using a number letter or whatever. David Tayler, I htink it was, suggested that the Korg should always be used, when ever possible, with the note out-put mode switched on, just to practice tuning by ear. This does not seem to be available on the T-122. I still tend to use the Korg when I am completely restringing my lutes, but this may be part of the learning process. However, for every day use, the T-122 is so much more accurate, and once you are used to the strobe, which initially is off putting, it is so much more intuitive. This is the first Turbo Tuner model (to my knowledge), so some of these minor problems (for this user) may disappear in the next version. It is still an excellent tuner that should surely be judged by how well the lute sounds after tuning. Although the difference in accuracy with the Korg is beyond most human hearing, when applied to a single string. It does seem to me that the effect can be accumulative. I suppose this has something to do with sympathetic resonances between strings. I seem to remember having read, in a message to this list, something to the effect, that absolute accuracy is not relevant to the lute, as one may want to compensate, by ear, for the slight intonation problems due to the differences in thickness and pliability of diapasons versus octaves and treble strings. Surely, nothing would prevent a lutenist from slightly detuning (by ear) once the open strings are tuned to compensate for this (if necessary). In relation to this problem, Gregory Gordon (Lute News Number 79, p. 14) mentions a letter from Chris Coakley stating that bass strings are less stretchy than trebles, and so the pitch-distorting effects of both plucking and pressing down the string on the fret are greater on the bass side. I don't know whether tuning by ear can better help compensate for this sort of difference; however, since I have adopted loaded strings, this bass/treble difference seems far less of a problem. Loaded strings, have quite a thin stretchy Venice core, and I think these two qualities makes them behave closer to the mid Venice strings: their Venice flexibility means that their true vibrating length should be almost identical to that of the other Venice mid strings (which does not seem to be true of either thick bass gut, or for stiff wirewounds); while their high density means that they are only slightly thicker than the Venice mid strings. There is of course a difference in this respect, in relation to trebles and octaves, but it is much less significant than with thick pure gut. As a result the intonation problems implied by G. G. between basses, trebles and octaves, are barely an issue with these strings. Although I can't prove this, I have the intuition that better overall sympathetic behaviour results from using them, and this gives greater sustain, to all voices (not just to the loaded basses). If this is so, then the accumulative effect of perfect tuning via a Turbo tuner, could be far greater when loaded strings are used. (ie the more accurately tuned the lute is, even beyond what the ear can distinguish, the greater the sustain). This intonation question is quite different from the problem of whether a good loaded bass diapason can be as true as a good pure gut bass diapason. I think Mimmo Peruffo has made a great improvement to that issue; but in any case the intonation question and the good sympathetic behaviour of these basses with the Mid strings, make them, in my opinion, the ideal 11c bass strings.
[LUTE] Re: tuners
I suppose it's worth revisiting this subject since I just acquired a T-122 myself and have had a chance to play with it a bit. I've set up lutes using Dowland's Rule of 18, and for Dowland it works very well, indeed. But when I have to play with other instruments, it is good to be able to set the frets appropriately. Some folk I play with use 6th comma mean tone exclusively, some use (gasp) ET12. Some don't bother to tune their frets at all, and when I can get a chance to do it for them, it's nice to be able to do it quickly and accurately. A good tuner is very handy in such cases. At home, I take an A from whatever is good (i.e., handy) and tune everything out by ear. I retune as I practice, no problem. But at home, I live a life that is much more relaxed than when I'm out in the 'Real World'. If I'm practicing lute, the rest of the family is quiet enough that I can hear what I'm doing. Last night was Collegium rehearsal. Because of my work schedule and the distance from home to the college, I arrived with 10 minutes to tune. I tuned the mock ren-lute using an open tuning in the T-122 that I programmed during the day. The mock-theorbo and 7-string viol were done with the chromatic tuner. Worked pretty well, but then I had to put everything into the cases to move into the rehearsal room. Once out of the cases, they started out detuned because of the way the instruments are held by the cases, but that only took a few moments to retune using the T-122. Here, however, the auto setting wasn't capable of 'seeing' the strings at all, so I manually chose the notes to tune and touched up by ear. From then-on, it was a quick check everytime the ensemble stopped to pull things back into tune. Here in the fickle north, we get a mix of temperature and humidity changes that are sometimes amazing: when I tuned in the study area at the end of the hall, it was about 68 and dry. The rehearsal space was hot and very humid, and I was sweating like mad from dragging the cases around, so it was probably even more humid in my local area. If you play gut strings, you're well advised to loosen them between sessions (whether rehearsals or just practice) especially because, in the hurricane-alternating-with-lovely-weather season, strings can change between slack and breaking-strain while the instrument sits in the case. Gut strings have wonderful properties of always being ready to have to stretch-in again after being loosened for a while, too. Because everyone else was checking their tuning at the same time, having a tuner that was sensitive and easily set to the strings I was checking was a real plus... and I could also see how the recorders were changing as they warmed up, and follow them. So basically, I was the only string player whose open strings were constantly in tune with the band. This is important because of the way the parts are distributed: I'm always doubled by someone on the other side of a 20-person 3/4 circle. Part way through the rehearsal, I found out that the 'good' tenor player had decided he had other things he needed to do during Collegium time, and had dropped the course. I offered to take over his parts, and acquired another set of strings to tune. (Some of them appear to be over 27 years old, the same strings that were on the viols when I played with the collegium in the early 80's!) The HIP way to deal with moisture changes is to leave the instrument under the rug on the bed, so through the day it is kept in a fairly constant humidity by the moisture left by the sleepers... Makes one wonder what they did with the lute while they were in the bed! And I think an argument can be made for England's climate, even today, being a bit more stable than New England in the Fall. Anyway, I'm sure none of us uses that HIP method of maintaining stability in their instruments, so why not use a good tuner as well? A final thought, this discussion seems to be taking the attitude that _having a good tuner_ is exactly equal to being in tune, as if there is some unnatural function taking place. If you have a good pitch source, tuning a string is a matter of making beats go away. If you have a bad one, well, it's a matter of frustration. Likewise, the best tuner doesn't make non-concentric pegs turn more easily, cause sticking or sliding surfaces in the pegbox to behave better, improve the quality of the string material, finesse the nut, nor guarantee that my ham-fisted attempts to position the frets and turn the pegs properly are going to result in a stopped LED display. Quite the contrary, the same kind of good enough for jazz decision has to be made as when tuning by ear...except you can get away with doing it in a crowded room! ray On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Doctor Oakroot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You spontaneously/intuitively know how to position frets for 1/6 comma meantone? How did period lutenists do it? By ear - or some combination of ear and linear measurement. Any error in intonation
[LUTE] Re: Tuners [was NG basses]
I have a Korg OT-12 orchestral tuner which appears to be exactly like the 120 a little earlier), but with meter and dial arranged horizntally rather than vertically. All specs match. I like the tuner; the clip on mike for alternate input fits nicely on the peg head. | [__] O | | [__] | | -- -- - | || | O | OT-12 OT-120 Regards, Leonard Williams /[ ] / \ | * | \_=_/ On 7/28/08 10:07 PM, Bruno Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talking about tuning, my Korg OT-120 has just arrived! Question is: How do I tune to meantone temperament? If I want 1/4.1/6 or 1/8 coma tuning? There are some historical presets, and two are for meantone, one with a sharp and the other with a flat. I don't know what they mean... -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: tuners
Hi Stuart, The Strobe Tuner 1.5 ($15) from Katsura Shareware is certainly accurate enough for checking frets w/ scads of temperments but is Mac only and is anchored to the computer. The Korg Orchestral Tuner OT-120 just got redesigned: no new features, bigger box less ergonomic, no clip-on mic, 2 AAA batteries (instead of the previous 2 AA) but no price increase ...so far: ~$100-$120. It works well enough but you can't see the cents in enough detail to trust for frets, especially meantone placements. This is as far as my experience goes. Sean On Apr 21, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote: Fairly recently, Gordon Gregory gave a talk at a Lute Society meeting extolling the virtues of tuners. I was there but I forget which tuners he recommended. His talk is in copy of Lute News which I can't find. Anyone got any advice/recommendations on tuners? Do people use them to position frets too? Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tuners
I think it's really funny that folks who insist on playing early music on historically accurate instruments use electronic tuners to set them up. ROFL Stuart wrote: Anyone got any advice/recommendations on tuners? Do people use them to position frets too? I recently bought the Turbo Tuner (Sonic Research ST122 Chromatic Strobe Tuner www.turbo-tuner.com ) and love it. Easily programmable, very accurate, easy read-out, mic/software is very good in picking up lute sound - even low basses, no moving parts, sturdily build, small. You can attach a clip-mic, but you'll have to buy one seperately. I use it for different temperaments. Yes, fret positioning too. I also have 'the brick', as the no longer in production Korg MT-1200 with a slot for one programmable temperament is called. The Turbo Tuner is by far the better of the two. David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- http://DoctorOakroot.com - Rough-edged songs on quirky homemade guitars. ~ Shroud for the Dead ~ available at http://cdbaby.com/cd/droakroot7
[LUTE] Re: tuners
Easily amused then. -Original Message- From: Doctor Oakroot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 April 2008 22:53 To: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuners I think it's really funny that folks who insist on playing early music on historically accurate instruments use electronic tuners to set them up. ROFL Stuart wrote: Anyone got any advice/recommendations on tuners? Do people use them to position frets too? I recently bought the Turbo Tuner (Sonic Research ST122 Chromatic Strobe Tuner www.turbo-tuner.com ) and love it. Easily programmable, very accurate, easy read-out, mic/software is very good in picking up lute sound - even low basses, no moving parts, sturdily build, small. You can attach a clip-mic, but you'll have to buy one seperately. I use it for different temperaments. Yes, fret positioning too. I also have 'the brick', as the no longer in production Korg MT-1200 with a slot for one programmable temperament is called. The Turbo Tuner is by far the better of the two. David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- http://DoctorOakroot.com - Rough-edged songs on quirky homemade guitars. ~ Shroud for the Dead ~ available at http://cdbaby.com/cd/droakroot7
[LUTE] Re: tuners
Doctor Oakroot wrote: I think it's really funny that folks who insist on playing early music on historically accurate instruments use electronic tuners to set them up. ROFL ROFL? Let's hope your R'ing on the F L'ing doesn't damage anything capable of incurring damage -- the body parts below the neck? You spontaneously/intuitively know how to position frets for 1/6 comma meantone? Stuart wrote: Anyone got any advice/recommendations on tuners? Do people use them to position frets too? I recently bought the Turbo Tuner (Sonic Research ST122 Chromatic Strobe Tuner www.turbo-tuner.com ) and love it. Easily programmable, very accurate, easy read-out, mic/software is very good in picking up lute sound - even low basses, no moving parts, sturdily build, small. You can attach a clip-mic, but you'll have to buy one seperately. I use it for different temperaments. Yes, fret positioning too. I also have 'the brick', as the no longer in production Korg MT-1200 with a slot for one programmable temperament is called. The Turbo Tuner is by far the better of the two. David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tuners
On Apr 21, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Doctor Oakroot wrote: I think it's really funny that folks who insist on playing early music on historically accurate instruments use electronic tuners to set them up. I find it a little strange too, but everyone's got their reasons for doing what they do. I use a tuner because it's more accurate than my ear. Besides, we're not the only ones to use tuners, Doc. I seem to recall traditional Celtic / blues / bluegrass / old-time etc. musicians using them for music created long before tuners were invented. Clarsach players even have tuners built into their harps, and some of their music goes back into the definitely-low-tech dark ages. ;-) DR [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tuners
I wouldn't hold an electronic tuner against anyone, in particular with so many having hearing problems resulting from exposure to RR. RT - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Doctor Oakroot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuners Doctor Oakroot wrote: I think it's really funny that folks who insist on playing early music on historically accurate instruments use electronic tuners to set them up. ROFL ROFL? Let's hope your R'ing on the F L'ing doesn't damage anything capable of incurring damage -- the body parts below the neck? You spontaneously/intuitively know how to position frets for 1/6 comma meantone? Stuart wrote: Anyone got any advice/recommendations on tuners? Do people use them to position frets too? I recently bought the Turbo Tuner (Sonic Research ST122 Chromatic Strobe Tuner www.turbo-tuner.com ) and love it. Easily programmable, very accurate, easy read-out, mic/software is very good in picking up lute sound - even low basses, no moving parts, sturdily build, small. You can attach a clip-mic, but you'll have to buy one seperately. I use it for different temperaments. Yes, fret positioning too. I also have 'the brick', as the no longer in production Korg MT-1200 with a slot for one programmable temperament is called. The Turbo Tuner is by far the better of the two. David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com
