[LUTE] Tiorbino
--08a6ac05ac1ff9ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Lutenetters, a costumer wrote to me and asked if my transcription of Bachs Cellosuites could be played on a tiorbino. "Do you think your transcription is suitable for a Tiorbino tuned like a Theorbo (in A but an octave higher)? It has 14 strings with the 3rd string tuned highest (re-entrant). String length is 51cm to the first pegbox and 90 cm to the second. Enclosed was this photo, with a link to the maker: http://www.luthier.org/. [image: tiorbino_copy.jpg] I made a short search on the internet and found these links: https://home.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/links/Tiorbino/PlanDim.jpg [image: PlanDim.jpg] http://www.claviantica.com/Publications_files/The_Tiorbino/The_tiorbino.htm "As far as is known to the author the collection of music in the *Capricci a due stromenti cioe Tiorba e Tiorbino*, (Modena: 1622) by Bellerofonte Castaldi (1580-1649) is the only example of printed music which mentions this instrument specifically" Francesco Nocerino [image: capricci_tablature.jpg] The costumer also included a link to a you tube video: Hiéronymus Kapsberger (1580-1651) - Corrente Prima. Performed by Albane Imbs - tiorbino https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aBxMFE5Sg3g Has someone of you out there any ideas about the instrument Tiorbino? Best wishes Stefan Lundgren Edition www.luteonline.se --08a6ac05ac1ff9ec Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Lutenetters,a costumer wrote to me and asked if my transcription of Bachs Cellosuites could be played on a tiorbino. "Do you think your transcription is suitable for a Tiorbino tuned like a Theorbo (in A but an octave higher)? It has 14 strings with the 3rd string tuned highest (re-entrant). String length is 51cm to the first pegbox and 90 cm to the second.  Enclosed was this photo, with a link to the maker:  http://www.luthier.org/"; target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">http://www.luthier.org/.   I made a short search on the internet and found these links:https://home.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/links/Tiorbino/PlanDim.jpg"; target="_blank">https://home.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/links/Tiorbino/PlanDim.jpg http://www.claviantica.com/Publications_files/The_Tiorbino/The_tiorbino.htm"; target="_blank">http://www.claviantica.com/Publications_files/The_Tiorbino/The_tiorbino.htm"As far as is known to the author the collection of music in the Capricci a due stromenti cioe Tiorba e Tiorbino, (Modena: 1622) by Bellerofonte Castaldi (1580-1649) is the! only example of printed music which mentions this instrument specifically"  Francesco Nocerino  The costumer also included a link to a you tube video:Hiéronymus Kapsberger (1580-1651) - Corrente Prima. Performed ! by Albane Imbs - tiorbino  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aBxMFE5Sg3g"; style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" target="_blank">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aBxMFE5Sg3g  Has someone of you out there any ideas about the instrument Tiorbino?Best wishesStefanLundgren Editionhttp://www.luteonline.se"; target="_blank">www.luteonline.se --08a6ac05ac1ff9ec-- -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Tiorbino
> Il giorno 18 giu 2020, alle ore 11:16, Davide Rebuffa > ha scritto: > > Dear all, > > The instrument in Cleveland could be a a very rare example of a 14-course > small archlute > (not a "liuto attiorbato" because it has single bourdons) > or a 14-course tiorbino in G. > The brand of the unknown manufacturer is present on the external countercap > and bears the initials R. E. > The string lengths are 523 mm and 882 mm. > Since the string length is a bit long for a tiorbino, the third course could > be tuned at the higher octave > only if the instrument is tuned in G, not in A. > It was converted into a 12-course instrument (2x1; 6x2; 4x2) by Sebastian > Schelle in 1742. > Ray Nurse restored it in 1988 bringing it back to 6x2; 8x1 as we may assume > it was in the 17th century. The bridge was also rebuilt. > The two extra pegs added in the 18th century were nor removed from the pegbox. > > Davide > >> Il giorno 18 giu 2020, alle ore 09:27, Martin Shepherd >> ha scritto: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I don't have many details of the Cleveland instrument, but I do have the >> poster! I see 14 pegs for the petit jeu (7x2) and 8 pegs for the grand jeu >> (4x2), making it a 12-course liuto attiorbato. I think it was Larry Brown >> who had some measurements, if I remember correctly the petit jeu is 61cm. >> >> Martin >> >> On 17/06/2020 22:37, Mathias Rösel wrote: >>> Dear David, dear Bruno, >>> thanks to both of you so much! >>> I agree that the Cleveland instrument, beautiful as it may be, seems more >>> likely to be a small arciliuto. And I'm grateful for your pointing at MH >>> Brussels No.1578. I shall try to get pictures and/or plans. >>> Mathias >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >
[LUTE] Tiorbino
Dear Hive Mind, Are there a surviving 17^th century tiorbinos? I poked in your archives, but couldn't seem to find hints. A tiorbino is mentioned on Steven Barber's and Sandi Harris's homepage as "one of the best and most convincing surviving examples of a tiorbino" (Hieber / Pfanzelt, Geneva, Musée d'art et d'histoire, Nr IM80). It says "one of the best"âare there other surviving tiorbinos? What are their string lengths? What are their dispositions (6:8, 7:7, 8:6)? Where are they being preserved? Mathias -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Tiorbino
Hello all, I was offered a Tiorbino, and I'm wondering what one can do with it (except of playing Bellerofonte-Castaldi): Are there any proofs that it was used for playing solo instead of a big theorbo or for playing continuo? And is there any literature about it apart from the article by Nocerino (2005)? Thanks and regards a usual :-) Yuval To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Tiorbino
A question about tiobino. The Cleveland Tiorbino on Wayne's site shows 6 +8. The bases are single strung. What is the opinion of this set up? If the basses are double should they be unison or octaves? There was a question earlier of the thiness of the 'b' (3rd). If the tension is reduced then this becomes a standard thickness. I have calculated on 20/25 N, this was the tension recommended by Martin Shepherd for Liuto attiobato, which is the same size instrument. Any suggestions welcome. Thanks and best wishes Anthony Hart [1]anthony.hart1...@gmail.com -- __ Anthony Hart MSc, LLCM,ALCM. Musicologist and Independent Researcher Highrise Court 'B', Apt 2, Tigne' Street, Sliema, SLM3174, MALTA Mob: +356 9944 9552. e-mail: [2]resea...@antoninoreggio.com; web: [3]www.monsignor-reggio.com NEW Publications: EDIZIONE ANTONINO REGGIO - [4]www.edizionear.com for information and special offer -- References 1. mailto:anthony.hart1...@gmail.com 2. mailto:resea...@antoninoreggio.com 3. http://www.monsignor-reggio.com/ 4. http://www.edizionear.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] tiorbino
dear collective wisdom, I am thinking of stringing my Colin Everette small archlute as a tiorbino. As some of you might know, Colin built many renaissance lutes on the tiorbino model, with 13 or 14 courses but was stringing it as regular Renaissance tuning with the diapasons in the same tessitura as the bass strings of a renaissance., has there ever been a concensus on how the tiorbino was strung? pitch ? I seem to remember some discussion on this, whereas the first 3 courses where at standard renaissane pitch in A, and starting from 4th course down, the pitch was up an octave. thank you -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier www.estavel.org To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Tiorbino
Hi all- Many years ago I strung my attiorbato as a tiorbino and it worked quite well. I only kept it that way for a while though as I wanted to try other things. Anyway I was thinking of doing it again and I have a few questions about tiorbinos. Were they always single strung or ever double? Mine was single, but I think double would be interesting and I could do that. I think the only known music that specifies tiorbino is the theorbo/tiorbino duets of Castaldi, but I have no one to play these with so I would be playing solo music. By the way my attiorbato is 57/85cm and I know that real tiorbinos are smaller. Any thoughts on string type/material? --Sterling -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Tiorbino - surprising new evidence
I had a very pleasant evening on Saturday with my harpsichord-making friend, Grant O'Brien, and his friends, including a short recital on one of his harpsichords by Lucy Carolan, a first-rate player. Grant and I got to talking about lute and harpsichord making in Italy, and he revealed a couple of interesting points: 1. all Italian harpsichords had fir soundboards, not spruce, as found north of the Alps. Did I know of any fir-soundboarded lutes? Well, I didn't. Can anyone contribute something here? 2. the tiorbino: here is a fascinating article from Grant's website, discussing a keyboard instrument called the tiorbino, apparently gut-strung, like the lautenclavier: http://www.claviantica.com/Publications_files/The_Tiorbino/The_tiorbino.htm - I love the part where a buyer asks the maker to build another one if the first one goes out of tune! A great idea, albeit somewhat expensive... Although these are keyboard topics, I'm sure they will be of interest to some here. Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
