Nonskid lute pad
Hello all, The Belgian Lute Society lute manufactures a nonskid cloth for lutenist, but it has "out of Print" quickly. Until September they won't manufacture more. Does somebody know some similar product and where can it be bought it? Thanks in advance. Best wishes. Jose Luis -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Nonskid lute pad
Not knowing that there were specific cloths for lutenists, and as a beginner, I noticed lutenists using the friction of a cloth. I went to an auto parts supplier and bought a chamois leather for about ten bucks. There is both synthetic and real "chammy" cloths, they are used to dry a car after washing. Either has a nice friction to avoid the skid. Best, Jon To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Than you! JL Jon Murphy escribió: >Not knowing that there were specific cloths for lutenists, and as a >beginner, I noticed lutenists using the friction of a cloth. I went to an >auto parts supplier and bought a chamois leather for about ten bucks. There >is both synthetic and real "chammy" cloths, they are used to dry a car after >washing. Either has a nice friction to avoid the skid. > >Best, Jon > > > > -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Nonskid lute pad
Thank you! JL Jon Murphy escribió: >Not knowing that there were specific cloths for lutenists, and as a >beginner, I noticed lutenists using the friction of a cloth. I went to an >auto parts supplier and bought a chamois leather for about ten bucks. There >is both synthetic and real "chammy" cloths, they are used to dry a car after >washing. Either has a nice friction to avoid the skid. > >Best, Jon > > > > -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Nonskid lute pad
- Original Message - From: "Jose Luis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: Nonskid lute pad > Hello all, > The Belgian Lute Society lute manufactures a nonskid cloth for lutenist, > but it has "out of Print" quickly. Until September they won't > manufacture more. Does somebody know some similar product and where can > it be bought it? > Thanks in advance. > Best wishes. > Jose Luis As a beginner I purchased a chamois for washing cars,basically oil tanned sheep skin.It works very well with no slipping and totally natural !!! and I find it smells pleasant! Regards Tom -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10-May-05 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Nonskid lute pad
>> Hello all, >> The Belgian Lute Society lute manufactures a nonskid cloth for lutenist, >> but it has "out of Print" quickly. Until September they won't >> manufacture more. Does somebody know some similar product and where can >> it be bought it? >> Thanks in advance. >> Best wishes. >> Jose Luis > > > As a beginner I purchased a chamois for washing cars,basically oil > tanned sheep skin.It works very well with no slipping and totally natural > !!! and I find it smells pleasant! Regards > Tom > There is also a kind of rubberized lining material material for kitchen drawers. It's good for keeping things like lutes & vios from sliding around. But it doesn't smell or feel nearly as nice as chamois. -Carl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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reason why I chose rubber, rather than chamois, is that it has more adhesion. Disadvantage is that rubber goes dry and loses its adhesive power after some time so that it has to be replaced. Mathias "Carl Donsbach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > >> Hello all, > >> The Belgian Lute Society lute manufactures a nonskid cloth for lutenist, > >> but it has "out of Print" quickly. Until September they won't > >> manufacture more. Does somebody know some similar product and where can > >> it be bought it? > >> Thanks in advance. > >> Best wishes. > >> Jose Luis > > > > > > As a beginner I purchased a chamois for washing cars,basically oil > > tanned sheep skin.It works very well with no slipping and totally natural > > !!! and I find it smells pleasant! Regards > > Tom > > > > There is also a kind of rubberized lining material material for kitchen > drawers. It's good for keeping things like lutes & vios from sliding > around. But it doesn't smell or feel nearly as nice as chamois. > > -Carl -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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> Disadvantage is that rubber goes dry and loses its adhesive > power after some time so that it has to be replaced. And you can't blow your nose or wipe your fingers on rubber. Best, Jon To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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"Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> Disadvantage is that rubber goes dry and loses its adhesive >> power after some time so that it has to be replaced. > And you can't blow your nose or wipe your fingers on rubber. shouldn't do that with your lute-chamois, either ;^) Best, Mathias -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Mathais and all, Another disadvantage is that rubber can imprint patterns on the top of an instrument if you store the rubber in the case on the instrument, articularly in a hot place. The solution is to roll up the rubber sheet and put it in a sealed plasic bag. Then there is no problemwith storing it in your intrument case. Paper bags might work also although I have not tried them. Best regards, Marion Il mandolino e' molto bello. I'll defend it with a sharp coltello, He who likes it is a jolly good fellow, Those who oppose it stink and smello, In their heads? no brains, just jello. -Original Message- From: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 16, 2005 2:38 AM To: Lutelist Subject: Re: Nonskid lute pad reason why I chose rubber, rather than chamois, is that it has more adhesion. Disadvantage is that rubber goes dry and loses its adhesive power after some time so that it has to be replaced. Mathias "Carl Donsbach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > >> Hello all, > >> The Belgian Lute Society lute manufactures a nonskid cloth for lutenist, > >> but it has "out of Print" quickly. Until September they won't > >> manufacture more. Does somebody know some similar product and where can > >> it be bought it? > >> Thanks in advance. > >> Best wishes. > >> Jose Luis > > > > > > As a beginner I purchased a chamois for washing cars,basically oil > > tanned sheep skin.It works very well with no slipping and totally natural > > !!! and I find it smells pleasant! Regards > > Tom > > > > There is also a kind of rubberized lining material material for kitchen > drawers. It's good for keeping things like lutes & vios from sliding > around. But it doesn't smell or feel nearly as nice as chamois. > > -Carl -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Nonskid lute pad
Mathais and all, Another disadvantage is that rubber can imprint patterns on the top of an instrument if you store the rubber in the case on the instrument, articularly in a hot place. The solution is to roll up the rubber sheet and put it in a sealed plasic bag. Then there is no problemwith storing it in your intrument case. Paper bags might work also although I have not tried them. Best regards, Marion Il mandolino e' molto bello. I'll defend it with a sharp coltello, He who likes it is a jolly good fellow, Those who oppose it stink and smello, In their heads? no brains, just jello. -Original Message- From: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 16, 2005 2:38 AM To: Lutelist Subject: Re: Nonskid lute pad reason why I chose rubber, rather than chamois, is that it has more adhesion. Disadvantage is that rubber goes dry and loses its adhesive power after some time so that it has to be replaced. Mathias "Carl Donsbach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > >> Hello all, > >> The Belgian Lute Society lute manufactures a nonskid cloth for lutenist, > >> but it has "out of Print" quickly. Until September they won't > >> manufacture more. Does somebody know some similar product and where can > >> it be bought it? > >> Thanks in advance. > >> Best wishes. > >> Jose Luis > > > > > > As a beginner I purchased a chamois for washing cars,basically oil > > tanned sheep skin.It works very well with no slipping and totally natural > > !!! and I find it smells pleasant! Regards > > Tom > > > > There is also a kind of rubberized lining material material for kitchen > drawers. It's good for keeping things like lutes & vios from sliding > around. But it doesn't smell or feel nearly as nice as chamois. > > -Carl -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Nonskid lute pad
Hello Carl, -Original Message- From: Carl Donsbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 15, 2005 3:56 PM To: letuenet Subject: Re: Nonskid lute pad >> Hello all, >> The Belgian Lute Society lute manufactures a nonskid cloth for lutenist, >> but it has "out of Print" quickly. Until September they won't >> manufacture more. Does somebody know some similar product and where can >> it be bought it? >> Thanks in advance. >> Best wishes. >> Jose Luis > > > As a beginner I purchased a chamois for washing cars,basically oil > tanned sheep skin.It works very well with no slipping and totally natural > !!! and I find it smells pleasant! Regards > Tom > There is also a kind of rubberized lining material material for kitchen drawers. ++Yes, I believe you that you refer here to the neoprene mesh material from Home Depot that has been designed for this purpose. It's good for keeping things like lutes & vios from sliding around. But it doesn't smell or feel nearly as nice as chamois. ++Yes, it works great. I have not noticed a bad smell associated with it and it feels sticky with respect to shear, but this is how you want it to behave or else it is not useful for this purpose. I cannot compare it to chamois but probably it costs less than chamois. The nice thing about the rubber is that it comes in various colors so you can match either what you are wearing in the concert or the color of your lute. Cheers, Marion $Mezzosoprano$ -Carl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Hello Carl, -Original Message- From: Carl Donsbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 15, 2005 3:56 PM To: letuenet Subject: Re: Nonskid lute pad >> Hello all, >> The Belgian Lute Society lute manufactures a nonskid cloth for lutenist, >> but it has "out of Print" quickly. Until September they won't >> manufacture more. Does somebody know some similar product and where can >> it be bought it? >> Thanks in advance. >> Best wishes. >> Jose Luis > > > As a beginner I purchased a chamois for washing cars,basically oil > tanned sheep skin.It works very well with no slipping and totally natural > !!! and I find it smells pleasant! Regards > Tom > There is also a kind of rubberized lining material material for kitchen drawers. ++Yes, I believe you that you refer here to the neoprene mesh material from Home Depot that has been designed for this purpose. It's good for keeping things like lutes & vios from sliding around. But it doesn't smell or feel nearly as nice as chamois. ++Yes, it works great. I have not noticed a bad smell associated with it and it feels sticky with respect to shear, but this is how you want it to behave or else it is not useful for this purpose. I cannot compare it to chamois but probably it costs less than chamois. The nice thing about the rubber is that it comes in various colors so you can match either what you are wearing in the concert or the color of your lute. Cheers, Marion $Mezzosoprano$ -Carl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Nonskid lute pad
Hello Carl, -Original Message- From: Carl Donsbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 15, 2005 3:56 PM To: letuenet Subject: Re: Nonskid lute pad >> Hello all, >> The Belgian Lute Society lute manufactures a nonskid cloth for lutenist, >> but it has "out of Print" quickly. Until September they won't >> manufacture more. Does somebody know some similar product and where can >> it be bought it? >> Thanks in advance. >> Best wishes. >> Jose Luis > > > As a beginner I purchased a chamois for washing cars,basically oil > tanned sheep skin.It works very well with no slipping and totally natural > !!! and I find it smells pleasant! Regards > Tom > There is also a kind of rubberized lining material material for kitchen drawers. ++Yes, I believe you that you refer here to the neoprene mesh material from Home Depot that has been designed for this purpose. It's good for keeping things like lutes & vios from sliding around. But it doesn't smell or feel nearly as nice as chamois. ++Yes, it works great. I have not noticed a bad smell associated with it and it feels sticky with respect to shear, but this is how you want it to behave or else it is not useful for this purpose. I cannot compare it to chamois but probably it costs less than chamois. The nice thing about the rubber is that it comes in various colors so you can match either what you are wearing in the concert or the color of your lute. Cheers, Marion $Mezzosoprano$ -Carl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Nonskid lute pad
I don't use any non skid surface. I always perform standing with a strap. When I practice I sit and use the strap. My strap connects on both ends of the bowl, not to the neck, rather like a guitar strap. The few times I play without a strap, I often just brace the lute against the edge of my desk just like so many paintings show. Anyone else do this? I often pull the mouse pad over the edge of the desk so I don't scratch the instrument. -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Ed, As a beginner, and a long time guitarist, I first fixed a strap to my lute (and, like you, fixed it to both ends of the bowl). I took my only lesson, from a nearby lutenist, and noticed that he had his strap "hooked" around a peg on the pegboard. I found that to be better support. But in both cases there was a feel that the strap controlled the position of the lute. Finally I reread the opening passages of my copy of Damiano's "Method for the Renaissance Lute" and noted that he put the strap under his leg/butt (which obviously won't work standing up). I am no great source for virtuoso lute performance, but I do find the freedom of the neck when the lute is anchored to one's lap to be helpful for me. I confess not to taking the recommended sitting stance on a proper chair with a left foot stool and legs not crossed - I like my arm chair in front of the TV. I sit up and cross my left leg over my right, contrary to Damiano's instructions - put the chamois in my lap and pull the strap from the base under my right cheek and leg, and over my left leg. It fixes the instrument at the body and supports the neck without argument with the strap about position. Best, Jon - Original Message - From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute list" Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 1:54 AM Subject: Re: Nonskid lute pad > I don't use any non skid surface. I always perform standing with a > strap. When I practice I sit and use the strap. My strap connects on > both ends of the bowl, not to the neck, rather like a guitar strap. > The few times I play without a strap, I often just brace the lute > against the edge of my desk just like so many paintings show. Anyone > else do this? I often pull the mouse pad over the edge of the desk so > I don't scratch the instrument. > -- > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
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I haven't seen Damiano's book so can't comment on that. I think there is no 'right' way to sit. To be historically informed as a group we should be playing and holding our lutes in many different ways as was done in the Renaissance. However, I don't see many lutenists sitting guitar style with a footstool these days. As for crossing the left leg over the right, Barto does it. 'Nough said. It has been suggested that the clothes in earlier times were more 'sticky' but I don't know. Sure, if they were wearing buckskin. :-) I've also tried the tight-string-with-a-loop-in-the-middle hooked to a button. I found it the absolute most unstable possible solution ever. Yet, they used it or there wouldn't be paintings of it. To each his own. Viva la difference. And happy music making. >Ed, > >As a beginner, and a long time guitarist, I first fixed a strap to my lute >(and, like you, fixed it to both ends of the bowl). I took my only lesson, >from a nearby lutenist, and noticed that he had his strap "hooked" around a >peg on the pegboard. I found that to be better support. But in both cases >there was a feel that the strap controlled the position of the lute. Finally >I reread the opening passages of my copy of Damiano's "Method for the >Renaissance Lute" and noted that he put the strap under his leg/butt (which >obviously won't work standing up). I am no great source for virtuoso lute >performance, but I do find the freedom of the neck when the lute is anchored >to one's lap to be helpful for me. I confess not to taking the recommended >sitting stance on a proper chair with a left foot stool and legs not >crossed - I like my arm chair in front of the TV. I sit up and cross my >left leg over my right, contrary to Damiano's instructions - put the chamois >in my lap and pull the strap from the base under my right cheek and leg, and >over my left leg. It fixes the instrument at the body and supports the neck >without argument with the strap about position. > >Best, Jon > >- Original Message - >From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "lute list" >Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 1:54 AM >Subject: Re: Nonskid lute pad > > >> I don't use any non skid surface. I always perform standing with a >> strap. When I practice I sit and use the strap. My strap connects on >> both ends of the bowl, not to the neck, rather like a guitar strap. >> The few times I play without a strap, I often just brace the lute >> against the edge of my desk just like so many paintings show. Anyone >> else do this? I often pull the mouse pad over the edge of the desk so >> I don't scratch the instrument. >> -- >> Ed Durbrow >> Saitama, Japan >> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
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>Hi Ed, > >Yes, I only ever play seated. Mostly at a table where I use a >chamois-leather as you use a mouse-mat. I should mention that my mouse pad is pure HIP leather. -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Hi Ed, I have the book, both the Italian and English versions. They are very good and I recommend them. It seems to me I ordered them from Italy. Sometime when I don't have to play a concert if you are interested in it I can look up the source. Ohterwise maybe some other list members can tell you sooner where to order a copy. The bottom line (no pun intended) on how to sit, is that you need to be comfortable initially, you need to make sure the lute does not wiggle around and your posture should promote good health. That is, it should not cause you to develop a pain anywhere (unless you overdo it.) Lately I have not been using either a non-skid pad or a strap for renaissance lute and the instrument seems quite stable without them. For the mandolino, I need the non-skid surface. It is nice to hear from you and I wish you the best of success. Cheers, Marion Mezzosoprano Mano di magia sul Mandolino milanese Meraviglioso in maggio -Original Message- From: Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 21, 2005 10:45 PM To: Jon Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, lute list Subject: Re: Nonskid lute pad I haven't seen Damiano's book so can't comment on that. I think there is no 'right' way to sit. To be historically informed as a group we should be playing and holding our lutes in many different ways as was done in the Renaissance. However, I don't see many lutenists sitting guitar style with a footstool these days. As for crossing the left leg over the right, Barto does it. 'Nough said. It has been suggested that the clothes in earlier times were more 'sticky' but I don't know. Sure, if they were wearing buckskin. :-) I've also tried the tight-string-with-a-loop-in-the-middle hooked to a button. I found it the absolute most unstable possible solution ever. Yet, they used it or there wouldn't be paintings of it. To each his own. Viva la difference. And happy music making. >Ed, > >As a beginner, and a long time guitarist, I first fixed a strap to my lute >(and, like you, fixed it to both ends of the bowl). I took my only lesson, >from a nearby lutenist, and noticed that he had his strap "hooked" around a >peg on the pegboard. I found that to be better support. But in both cases >there was a feel that the strap controlled the position of the lute. Finally >I reread the opening passages of my copy of Damiano's "Method for the >Renaissance Lute" and noted that he put the strap under his leg/butt (which >obviously won't work standing up). I am no great source for virtuoso lute >performance, but I do find the freedom of the neck when the lute is anchored >to one's lap to be helpful for me. I confess not to taking the recommended >sitting stance on a proper chair with a left foot stool and legs not >crossed - I like my arm chair in front of the TV. I sit up and cross my >left leg over my right, contrary to Damiano's instructions - put the chamois >in my lap and pull the strap from the base under my right cheek and leg, and >over my left leg. It fixes the instrument at the body and supports the neck >without argument with the strap about position. > >Best, Jon > >- Original Message - >From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "lute list" >Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 1:54 AM >Subject: Re: Nonskid lute pad > > >> I don't use any non skid surface. I always perform standing with a >> strap. When I practice I sit and use the strap. My strap connects on >> both ends of the bowl, not to the neck, rather like a guitar strap. >> The few times I play without a strap, I often just brace the lute >> against the edge of my desk just like so many paintings show. Anyone >> else do this? I often pull the mouse pad over the edge of the desk so >> I don't scratch the instrument. >> -- >> Ed Durbrow >> Saitama, Japan >> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
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> Cheers, > Marion > Mezzosoprano > Mano di magia sul > Mandolino milanese > Meraviglioso in maggio Che mangiacristiani... RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
