Respuesta: RE: RV: Facsimeles etc.
Querido Hernán, I wish I could write you in Spanish, but wouldn't be reasonable. I'm not blaming composers for publishing abroad. They publish where they can. I blame myself for not supporting local companies, or even foreign companies, by not buying what I would be able to buy. Does Warner own more than Editorial Lagos? I must confess I know nothing about that. The failure of our local and international companies has nothing to do with how much we support them. It is a bit more complex than that, and a logical explanation would necessary take us into an off-topic sub. (not again). Seems to be that most of us we do efforts to buy what we can buy (talking always about what were talking). What doesnt seem to be so easy to understand for some of the respectable members of the list, is that therere many different realities and perceptions of one same reality, depending of where you are and what you do. Muchos saludos, y a tu disposición para cualquier ayuda (viajo a Baires en febrero, si hiciera falta algo). Ariel. There are no lutenists around here. There should be half a dozen around metropolitan Buenos Aires, right? And at least one in Mar del Plata. Yes, and that's why Hoppy comes to Argentina every now and then, we're all very grateful to him for that. What I meant was, I'm not asking for donations for my Conservatory's library or for me, there are no lutenists in Bahia Blanca (700km away from Buenos Aires, 400km away from Mar del Plata). I wish there were. But if you want to make any donationsI won't stop you. :-) Roman, you're doing enough already by making available music for download. Thanks. I have the music, I'm sorry it's not possible to download a lute. :-) Well, I'll just keep playing this stuff on the guitar, then (sorry). Regards, Hernán.
Re: RV: Facsimeles etc.
Yes, and that's why Hoppy comes to Argentina every now and then, we're all very grateful to him for that. What I meant was, I'm not asking for donations for my Conservatory's library or for me, there are no lutenists in Bahia Blanca (700km away from Buenos Aires, 400km away from Mar del Plata). I wish there were. But if you want to make any donations I won't stop you. :-) Roman, you're doing enough already by making available music for download. Thanks. I have the music, I'm sorry it's not possible to download a lute. :-) Well, I'll just keep playing this stuff on the guitar, then (sorry). I believe there will be contributions of plans, if you find a sympathetic luthier. Just ask. However, even if you have difficulties finding lutes, you still have morcillas, bife de chorizo, chimichurri and Carlos Gardel.. RT (green with envy...)
RV: Facsimeles etc.
Dear Stewart, Roman, and all, Poor countries and access to resources: It is a difficult matter indeed. What to do about it? I'm in the other end of the spectrum, the one benefited from the free online resources or the donations. And the one doing most illegal actions. I'll tell you what happens down here (Argentina): we freely exchange sheet music in any form, especially by photocopies, but also--and by those of us who are lucky enough to have a computer--by pdf files, by sharing links to web sites we found with sheet music, etc. That's the only way we're able to access material to produce guitarists, lutenists, and musicians in general. Some of us fortunate to have money to make copies or connect to the Internet: many students don't, and we have to donate photocopies for them, they're that poor. Fortunately, they don't have to pay for lessons, the Conservatory is free and paid by the government. But sometimes, at the beginning of the year, you can find students (9 or 10 year old) who go to the small kitchen in the Conservatory, hoping to get some food, food they don't get at home. Yes, it's that bad. BUT, some of us would be able to afford to buy a few items a year. We don't do it, because we're caught in this photocopying frenzy. And that's why you won't see any new editions coming from Argentina: we made publishers die, publishers like Ricordi Americana, who once had a incredible catalog of works. Composers in Argentina know this situation well, and give away copies of their works to anyone who shows interest in them without thinking it twice. And publish their works in foreign countries. About donations: I'm thankful to persons who are willing to donate items. But I don't think we would be receiving the amounts we need. And I'm sure anything you donate would be copied a thousand times, so keep it in mind, it would surely end up as more illegal copies in the world, not less. Of course, I'm speaking about musicians in general and guitarists in particular. There are no lutenists around here. So, I don't know what should be done. I appreciate the time anyone takes to think about this. Hernan Mouro. Conservatorio de Musica de Bahia Blanca, Argentina. PS: I wish libraries had online facsimiles with free access themselves. No one could complain about that. Dear Roman, I have every sympathy with what you say. Those of us who own good instruments and expensive music are most fortunate, whether it came by luck, by hard work, or because we happen to live in affluent societies. Of course, I would love to own more instruments, better instruments, more music (particularly lute facsimiles), but even though I cannot afford these things, what I have already is far more than many others may have.
Re: RV: Facsimeles etc.
Poor countries and access to resources: It is a difficult matter indeed. What to do about it? I'm in the other end of the spectrum, the one benefited from the free online resources or the donations. And the one doing most illegal actions. I'll tell you what happens down here (Argentina): we freely exchange sheet music in any form, especially by photocopies, but also--and by those of us who are lucky enough to have a computer--by pdf files, by sharing links to web sites we found with sheet music, etc. That's the only way we're able to access material to produce guitarists, lutenists, and musicians in general. Some of us fortunate to have money to make copies or connect to the Internet: many students don't, and we have to donate photocopies for them, they're that poor. Fortunately, they don't have to pay for lessons, the Conservatory is free and paid by the government. But sometimes, at the beginning of the year, you can find students (9 or 10 year old) who go to the small kitchen in the Conservatory, hoping to get some food, food they don't get at home. Yes, it's that bad. BUT, some of us would be able to afford to buy a few items a year. We don't do it, because we're caught in this photocopying frenzy. And that's why you won't see any new editions coming from Argentina: we made publishers die, publishers like Ricordi Americana, who once had a incredible catalog of works. Composers in Argentina know this situation well, and give away copies of their works to anyone who shows interest in them without thinking it twice. And publish their works in foreign countries. Somehow I don't believe that the musicians are to blame for this. It seemed that A LOT of music down there was being put out by Warner Brothers South American division. So I'm sure they contributed to the demise of local houses. About donations: I'm thankful to persons who are willing to donate items. But I don't think we would be receiving the amounts we need. And I'm sure anything you donate would be copied a thousand times, so keep it in mind, it would surely end up as more illegal copies in the world, not less. Of course, I'm speaking about musicians in general and guitarists in particular. There are no lutenists around here. There should be half a dozen around metropolitan Buenos Aires, right? And at least one in M __ Roman M. Turovsky http://turovsky.org http://polyhymnion.org ar del Plata. RT
RE: RV: Facsimeles etc.
Somehow I don't believe that the musicians are to blame for this. It seemed that A LOT of music down there was being put out by Warner Brothers South American division. So I'm sure they contributed to the demise of local houses. I'm not blaming composers for publishing abroad. They publish where they can. I blame myself for not supporting local companies, or even foreign companies, by not buying what I would be able to buy. Does Warner own more than Editorial Lagos? I must confess I know nothing about that. There are no lutenists around here. There should be half a dozen around metropolitan Buenos Aires, right? And at least one in Mar del Plata. Yes, and that's why Hoppy comes to Argentina every now and then, we're all very grateful to him for that. What I meant was, I'm not asking for donations for my Conservatory's library or for me, there are no lutenists in Bahia Blanca (700km away from Buenos Aires, 400km away from Mar del Plata). I wish there were. But if you want to make any donations I won't stop you. :-) Roman, you're doing enough already by making available music for download. Thanks. I have the music, I'm sorry it's not possible to download a lute. :-) Well, I'll just keep playing this stuff on the guitar, then (sorry). Regards, Hernán.
