[LUTE] Re: Lute on ebay germany
Looks nice. Is it a new student-quality lute? That's about what I'd expect at that price. Dear lutelist As the pakistani lutes on ebay.com, there are chinese made (?) lutes on germany: http://cgi.ebay.de/RENAISSANCE-LAUTE-8-choerig-NEU_W0QQitemZ7409580350QQcategoryZ10179QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem What do you think of that lute ? regards To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- http://DoctorOakroot.com - Rough-edged songs on homemade GIT-tars.
[LUTE] Re: Lute on ebay germany
It looks identical to the instruments offered by the UK Early Music Shop - available ready made or as a kit. Particularly the rose design and the striped back. The current price in the UK is £ 497.45 - one of the least expensive instruments currently available. I have never played one, so I can't comment on their playability. They seem to be different from the instruments from the Middle East that they also sell under the Mitre brand name. The Early Music Shop does offer an on approval service within the EEC, which means that you only loose the shipping costs and a small fee if you try one and return it. Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:24 PM Subject: [LUTE] Lute on ebay germany Dear lutelist As the pakistani lutes on ebay.com, there are chinese made (?) lutes on germany: http://cgi.ebay.de/RENAISSANCE-LAUTE-8-choerig-NEU_W0QQitemZ7409580350QQcate goryZ10179QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem What do you think of that lute ? regards To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/323 - Release Date: 24/04/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/323 - Release Date: 24/04/2006
Re: Lute on eBay
Hi All, My first thought when looking at this lute was it sure looked like my Paki lute. This based on the apparent raw pine soundboard not quite quartersawn (or quartersawn from young trees), and its grain orientation-- not quite parallel with the long axis of the lute. Although it wouldn't be conclusive, the materials in the back appear the same. Finally, the pattern of the peg ends is the same. The real major difference is the pattern of the rose-- something fairly easy to change where the price of hand work is really low. I also looked at the harps he has for sale. There is a small 'world music' instrument store not for from where I live. They have a collection of similarly made and decorated harps. They are from Pakistan. Sooo... I took the bull by the horns and sent an email to the guy who runs the shop in Germany offering the lute, etc. His answer to my question about the origin of the lute: These lutes are made by musical instrument makers in Asia, especially for me... He didn't get more specific. I think he's pretty proud of his stuff because his prices are way high, even if one considers the dollar and euro at one to one. There are a couple music stores in Florida selling a similar inventory-- Paki lutes, harps, bagpipes, practice chanters etc. They advertise essentially the same lute on US eBay frequently for prices in the three to four hundred dollar range. My two cents worth. Best, Steve -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Re: Lute on eBay
Steve wrote: My first thought when looking at this lute was it sure looked like my Paki lute. The lute on the ebay site is very similar to mine. As i mentioned i got mine from EMS. I was to buy the same thing in kit first but didn't have too much kit-time. This is the picture of the lute as kit: http://www.e-m-s.com/news/Lute%20Kit%20.JPG Paki Lute to many is this so called Mitre Lute on this page: http://www.e-m-s.com/cat/stringinstruments/lutes/lute.htm The questionable lute is similar to the one below the mitre-thing on the page: EMS lute. Recently i saw many different photos of this mitre lute and it ain't looking pretty. Bizare shape, lots of dents, extremely heavy (double weight of what a lute should be), fat, almost parallel neck..etc. One nice thing though is these guys that had such lute and took the time to document their changes and improvements. Also, these photos of the EMS lute on the page look a little crappy too--the lute i received is not at all coresponding to this feel from the photos. This EMS lute may have its parts also fabricated in Pakiland or may-be not, to me it makes no difference. The box of what i got is indeed just like pakistani lute box. One thing is for sure--it is leveled (neck and resonating plate), it is light, blah, blah, etc, (as i already described it), and has this really nice cristal sound with really nice resonation and response (the strings they give suck big time though--mean the lower wound courses..). I don't know about the kinky while plate on the pegbox bottom--mine is not like that. In short again--perfect student lute (appart from this bridge thing i had to readjust..) I've heard real dull sounding expensive instruments done by luthier, with incrusted ebony rim on the edge, knowork 3D(lol) rose etc,.. but i'm not gonna insist in praising it in case mine just happened to be nice by chance --haha. Anyways, i reply with this to prevent people confusing this model of lute with the mitre thing. What was the eBay price of this lute by the way? Here is this English Shop i got mine from. They also sell harpsichord kits, harps and all kinds of stuff. They're here: http://www.e-m-s.com/news/workshop.html Hi All, My first thought when looking at this lute was it sure looked like my Paki lute. This based on the apparent raw pine soundboard not quite quartersawn (or quartersawn from young trees), and its grain orientation-- not quite parallel with the long axis of the lute. Although it wouldn't be conclusive, the materials in the back appear the same. Finally, the pattern of the peg ends is the same. The real major difference is the pattern of the rose-- something fairly easy to change where the price of hand work is really low. I also looked at the harps he has for sale. There is a small 'world music' instrument store not for from where I live. They have a collection of similarly made and decorated harps. They are from Pakistan. Sooo... I took the bull by the horns and sent an email to the guy who runs the shop in Germany offering the lute, etc. His answer to my question about the origin of the lute: These lutes are made by musical instrument makers in Asia, especially for me... He didn't get more specific. I think he's pretty proud of his stuff because his prices are way high, even if one considers the dollar and euro at one to one. There are a couple music stores in Florida selling a similar inventory-- Paki lutes, harps, bagpipes, practice chanters etc. They advertise essentially the same lute on US eBay frequently for prices in the three to four hundred dollar range. My two cents worth. Best, Steve -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr --
Re: Re: lute on ebay
On shaving the bridge--recently made this guitar/lutepegbox thing and at one point had to shave about 1mm from the bridge--i didn't do it for the sound but for some mechanical obstacle, but the result was very surprising! The resonation responsiveness of the guitar augmented to what seem to me with a third more of its previous resoantion. Then i tried on some lutes and put my finger on the bridge while the string resonates (without touching it) and indeed, it is very sensitive! Just like on this violin here--buzzing strings are almost like reeds. The guitar is not that fussy on touch though... Normally, a professional lute would have holes drilled deliberately low, and the bridge would have a plate glued on that could be shaved to lower the distance of the string's noose from the belly. For greater action problems fingerboard needs to be shaved. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv -- Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: lute on ebay
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: while lurking on ebay I found this instrument - don't know if it's worth the money (and don't profit from forwarding this offer) but maybe someone is interested http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3773134797#ebayphotohosting that lute has been offered on ebay several times, already. I'd like to know how it is. Does somebody know? -- Best, Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: lute on ebay
This lute, i'm pretty sure, is a lute by the EMS (early music shop?) in England. My lute is from there and it is pretty similar. I got it fro eight hundred and something euro, shiping included. It has extremely sweet sound and is very responsive (at least mine is like that)! The finishing is pretty much OK, not without several filling in-s, but they are nicely polished over so it is not bothersome. I cannot think of a cheeper and better sounding lute for a first lute of a student. This is not the pakistani lute. The shape and quality are infinitely better than these pakistanu lutes (i wouldn't even call them exactly lute--from what i've seen on pictures...). I mention the pakistani lutes because this one uses the same box--not to be confused, it's only the box. The issues i had with this lute before i could play it nicely and smoothly were: --first--obligatory respacing of the strings on the nut piece: i cannot stand lutes with eight courses all spaced evenly--i put the first six with more space, and then the last two can be close. Then you can do the fluid things you are used to do without parasite string touching and buzzing.. --second--the bridge was too high--i was wondering what people do in case of high action/high bridge. Almost brought it to luthier but then just took decision and somply drilled a second set of holes on the bridge with a small drill. The second holes start next to the original ones(high) on the back side of the brindge, and go in a slnted diagonal close to the soundboard on the front side. This resolved my problem and made the lute playable. By the way, do anyone play a lute with action higher than 3~3.5mm on the ninth fret? To me higher than that pervents me to play the relative fluidity level that i can access... --third--whoever has such lute may want to put gut frets. I still haven't done that. I'll do it soon--i'm not 'afraid' of gut because my hands don't sweat besides it must give a warmer touch to the string contact and no sliding.. hope this helps cheers! R while lurking on ebay I found this instrument - don't know if it's worth the money (and don't profit from forwarding this offer) but maybe someone is interested http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3773134797#ebayphotohosting Thomas To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr --
Re: lute on ebay
Gents, On the same ebay link as the lute in question there are three Celtic harps (the link was in German, but I think I can read it). They may or may not be very fine harps (and they are fully levered, as best I can see). But they are quite fully priced (unless my mental conversion of Euro's to dollars is way off). If the lute price is consistant then it is no bargain. Best, Jon To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
