Re: Distinguishing carbon-fiber from nylon.

2005-04-12 Thread Herbert Ward
> Hey! There is an easy way: Just put the string to water. If it clearly
> sinks, it is hevier than water, which is just as heavy as nylon! So the
> string material is hevier than nylon and water. Perhaps "carbon", or
> at least "non-nylon".

Two caveats:

   1.  Watch out for bubbles adhering to the string.

   2.  Be careful of surface tension (ie, dunk the
   string completely under water).




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Re: Distinguishing carbon-fiber from nylon.

2005-04-11 Thread Edward Martin
Another characteristic of Carbon strings is that to my eye, they appear 
shiny & transparent,  whereas nylon looks more dull & somewhat opaque.

Also, they "feel" different under the fingers.  When plucking carbon, I 
notice that the string has almost no stretch to it, as compared to 
nylon.  So, it is difficult to develop a sense of sensitivity with it (this 
is my opinion - I am sure that others can play sensitively with it, but I 
cannot).I never use carbon anymore, because of the high density, the 
sound is too shrill, for my taste.  But, I think it might sound good on a 
very dull instrument.

But, if you pick up an instrument & want to know if it is Carbon or nylon, 
Carbon is usually shinier, relatively smaller, and brighter in sound as 
compared to nylon.

ed



At 09:10 PM 4/11/2005 +0300, Arto Wikla wrote:

>I wrote:
>
> > > How can one tell whether a string is carbon-fiber or nylon?
> >
> > One possibility to do it:
> >  1. Measure the length, diameter and weight of the string (or some
> > cut piece of it)
> >  2. Use my "sub-calculator" in
> > http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Calcs/wwwscalc.html#P1
> >  3. If the density Kg/m3 given by my calculator is about 1000, it
> > is nylon, if it is about a little less than 1800, it is "carbon".
> >
> > So carbon is nearly twice as heavy as nylon.
>
>
>Hey! There is an easy way: Just put the string to water. If it clearly
>sinks, it is hevier than water, which is just as heavy as nylon! So the
>string material is hevier than nylon and water. Perhaps "carbon", or
>at least "non-nylon".
>
>And if the string about stays in whatever deepness you set it, it should
>be nylon! :-)
>
>All the best,
>
>Arto
>
>
>
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Re: Distinguishing carbon-fiber from nylon.

2005-04-11 Thread Arto Wikla

I wrote:

> > How can one tell whether a string is carbon-fiber or nylon?
> 
> One possibility to do it:
>  1. Measure the length, diameter and weight of the string (or some
> cut piece of it)
>  2. Use my "sub-calculator" in
> http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Calcs/wwwscalc.html#P1
>  3. If the density Kg/m3 given by my calculator is about 1000, it
> is nylon, if it is about a little less than 1800, it is "carbon".
> 
> So carbon is nearly twice as heavy as nylon.


Hey! There is an easy way: Just put the string to water. If it clearly
sinks, it is hevier than water, which is just as heavy as nylon! So the
string material is hevier than nylon and water. Perhaps "carbon", or
at least "non-nylon".

And if the string about stays in whatever deepness you set it, it should 
be nylon! :-)

All the best,
 
Arto



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Re: Distinguishing carbon-fiber from nylon.

2005-04-11 Thread Arto Wikla

Dear Herbert,

> How can one tell whether a string is carbon-fiber or nylon?

One possibility to do it:
 1. Measure the length, diameter and weight of the string (or some
cut piece of it)
 2. Use my "sub-calculator" in
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Calcs/wwwscalc.html#P1
 3. If the density Kg/m3 given by my calculator is about 1000, it
is nylon, if it is about a little less than 1800, it is "carbon".

So carbon is nearly twice as heavy as nylon.

All the best,

Arto



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